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post #8041 of 10175
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post #8042 of 10175
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Originally Posted by chidancer View Post

Just out of curiosity, has anyone had a problem with either the the Nov.21 Beta 67-1120B or Official 67-1205 firmware creating problems with locking up wav files through any input and some flac files losing the meta graphic?

Had no problem until the most recent beta, then reverted to the previous 1060 official firmware suggested by Oppo and things ran as normal again. Thought it might have been just a little beta bug so installed the latest official 1205 which just came out and once again some wav folders lock, or play the first song and then freezes exactly as with the beta 1120B The previous 0808B Beta worked fine. .

Sent files to oppo which are now with the engineers, but just curious as I haven't seen anything mentioned on here or the 105 forum. I know most use flac instead of wav. Am running about 900 GB of wav's directly on an external powered HD with wireless connection to a router upstairs with the computer for the gracenote meta.
I have similar problem of playing .wav file from attached USB drive, and copies of my files are also with OPPO engineer.

There are also other reports of similar problem posted in this forum.
post #8043 of 10175
103D owner here looking for some audio knowledge, and I figure you are the bunch.

Ive made the decision to sell my AVR and go amp. 1st move was getting like am UMC200 prepro, but I then realized I could then probably just use the 103D.

Im only running a 3.1 system, but if I read the manual correctly, Id select 5.1 or 7.1 downmix, then just turn "OFF" the other speakers I do not have. The 103D should then LPCM the 3.1 signal to my amp, from Blu-ray and my DVR (HDMI In on Oppo).

I'm wondering what you would recommend for setting levels, as a test tone? I have a Galaxy Audio CM-140 Check Mate SPL Meter so I figure that should suffice. And I assume with the test source I set the speakers to 75 and the sub to 75 to 80, depending on how hot I like it? Distance measurements would be easy of course.

I see the menu on the 103D has a test tone selection, is that proper to use? But I then note the manual says to use an SPL meter and Digital Video Essentials HD Basics to set trim. Thanks for helping an separate newb...
post #8044 of 10175
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Im only running a 3.1 system, but if I read the manual correctly, Id select 5.1 or 7.1 downmix, then just turn "OFF" the other speakers I do not have.
Yes.
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The 103D should then LPCM the 3.1 signal to my amp, from Blu-ray and my DVR (HDMI In on Oppo).
Not LPCM, but analog into the amp, just to be precise.
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I'm wondering what you would recommend for setting levels, as a test tone? I see the menu on the 103D has a test tone selection, is that proper to use?
The Oppo's test signals are perfect for this.
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And I assume with the test source I set the speakers to 75 and the sub to 75 to 80, depending on how hot I like it?
The absolute SPL means rather little in this case, for 2 reasons. The volume control goes from 0-100, so it does not offer the usual "0 dB" reference point, and the plus/minus dB relative to that. Of course you can take note of what value represents a particular SPL. But even that is not going to be consistent. When a multichannel signal is downmixed to your 3.1 outputs, the overall volume will drop several dB to protect headroom. Maybe 6-10 dB. When you play 2-ch content, the levels will play without this protective attenuation. Normally these gain shifts are compensated and hidden from view in the AVR's analog volume control stage by shifting the gain (say 6-10 dB) without showing it on the display.

I could be wrong on some aspects of the above, as I rarely use the analog outputs of the Oppo. Others may correct me.
post #8045 of 10175
Thanks!

Back on the test tones. If I use the internal Oppo tones to adjust trim levels, what should I shoot for db wise, or should I just make sure each speaker is the same db at the main listening position? For example, start with the front left speaker and the Oppo test tone, if that reports 68db, then just level match the rest of the speakers?

Sorry if that sounds dumb, but some of this is new to me.
post #8046 of 10175
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Thanks!

Back on the test tones. If I use the internal Oppo tones to adjust trim levels, what should I shoot for db wise, or should I just make sure each speaker is the same db at the main listening position? For example, start with the front left speaker and the Oppo test tone, if that reports 68db, then just level match the rest of the speakers?

Sorry if that sounds dumb, but some of this is new to me.

GSR informed me of a key difference 103D versus the 105.
The 103x has the digital volume control but NO volume control for DSD/SACD.

So, be very careful to set the 103x SACD setting to PCM or you will get 100% volume playing SACDs or streaming DSD files. This is not a problem with the 105.

- Rich
post #8047 of 10175
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Thanks!

Back on the test tones. If I use the internal Oppo tones to adjust trim levels, what should I shoot for db wise, or should I just make sure each speaker is the same db at the main listening position? For example, start with the front left speaker and the Oppo test tone, if that reports 68db, then just level match the rest of the speakers?
Yes, same for each.
post #8048 of 10175
Thanks to both.

Ill be home soon so I'll tinker with the menu. I had sent an emai to Oppo early this AM, and got a reply. They explained the issues with SACD and DSD on the 103D, but one part of the answer confused me (I replied for clarification). They said for a 3.1 system that I should set downmix to stereo, which I do not understand. I figured I'd use 7.1 and then just cut off all the surround speakers in the Oppo menu.
post #8049 of 10175
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Thanks to both.

Ill be home soon so I'll tinker with the menu. I had sent an emai to Oppo early this AM, and got a reply. They explained the issues with SACD and DSD on the 103D, but one part of the answer confused me (I replied for clarification). They said for a 3.1 system that I should set downmix to stereo, which I do not understand. I figured I'd use 7.1 and then just cut off all the surround speakers in the Oppo menu.

I think the key there is that the system doesn't have a 3.1 option, so you have to choose your compromise. Either use the 7.1 ports, ignoring those rear channels, which effectively throws away that rear channel information, or downmix to a 2.1 setup, where you'll have the rear and center channel information dumped to the mains, but loose the center channel speaker since that info is now going to the mains.

At least, that's how I think it works - so Oppo's answer was them assuming you didn't want to lose that surround info.

IMHO, I like your way better. Rear channels are nice, but I'm not going to cry if I loose that information. I'd rather have a good L-C-R.
post #8050 of 10175
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Originally Posted by Lonely Raven View Post

I think the key there is that the system doesn't have a 3.1 option, so you have to choose your compromise. Either use the 7.1 ports, ignoring those rear channels, which effectively throws away that rear channel information, or downmix to a 2.1 setup, where you'll have the rear and center channel information dumped to the mains, but loose the center channel speaker since that info is now going to the mains.

At least, that's how I think it works - so Oppo's answer was them assuming you didn't want to lose that surround info.

IMHO, I like your way better. Rear channels are nice, but I'm not going to cry if I loose that information. I'd rather have a good L-C-R.


"Down Mix Mode
Downmixing is the process of converting multi-channel audio to a lesser number of channels. For
example, converting a 5.1ch source to stereo or converting a 7.1ch source to 5.1ch. Downmixing allows
the audio output from the player to match the exact number of speakers available in your home theater.
The current down mix mode is displayed in the lower right corner of the speaker placement illustration.
To change the audio down mix setting, press the ENTER button while the cursor is over the Down Mix
option."

"The following speaker parameters can be configured:
(clipped)
Off – Speaker for the corresponding position does not exist. Audio for the missing speaker is
redirected to other speakers or discarded if redirection is not possible."

Thats from the manual. The way I see it is, you select 7.1 downmix and then under speaker parameters, I set my fronts and center to small, the xover to 80hz, then turn the other speakers (except sub) off. When its a 5.1 track those other 2 channels are dead basically and downmixes into 3.1, and when its a 7.1 it just downmixes into 3.1.

At least thats how I assume it would work. I mean I see it doing the same thing an AVR would, if you send in a 7.1 track but only have a 3.1 system. If anyone knows any different, please chime in. If for some reason the Oppo wont work correctly with 3.1, then Ill just need to work a pre pro in.
post #8051 of 10175
^ you are correct. it will downmix to the front channels.
post #8052 of 10175
Thanks. I guess Id compare the action to how a Xbox One, set to 7.1 LPCM handles 7.1 and 5.1 out, then how the AVR would handle that into 3.1 for my speakers. You dont lose anything, it's just mixed in into "the front".
post #8053 of 10175
FYI, Oppo came back again:

"Under Speaker Configuration you will be setting the Down-mix to 5.1 with the Surrounds OFF."

I know 3.1 is rare and not what most run, but I figure this will maybe help someone else down the road.
post #8054 of 10175
^ I believe you will lose your stereo imaging by having a 3.1 speaker configuration. Your right/left spacial effect will be combined/downmixed in your center channel for 2 channel recordings......or is the center channel not even active for 2 channel recordings??
Edited by DanF8500 - 12/12/13 at 1:32pm
post #8055 of 10175
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

^ I believe you will lose your stereo imaging by having a 3.1 speaker configuration. Your right/left spacial effect will be combined/downmixed in your center channel for 2 channel recordings.

Thanks. I guess I should specify what my only uses are:

Blu-ray/DVD (Lossless 5.1 and 7.1/DD 5.1)
Directv (HDMI In/DD 5.1)



But you are correct, if I set it as "Downmix 5.1" and Surrounds "off", anything the Oppo plays back will be 3.1 downmixed regardless of the source.

They also specified that they recommend DVE to level match all the speakers, ensuring all of their levels are 0.0 or less, no positive trim settings because of distortion concerns.

This will be fun.
post #8056 of 10175
I will be joining the 105 club when my unit arrives Monday. It will be replacing an 83 and an Emotiva XDA-1. It will be hooked up to a Marantz AV-8801. Hdmi for movies. 7.1 for sacd and XLR for 2 channel. I will be passing my Htpc and Sonos play through it to take advantage of the dac's. any tips I need to be aware of? It seems to be pretty straight foreword.
post #8057 of 10175
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

^ I believe you will lose your stereo imaging by having a 3.1 speaker configuration. Your right/left spacial effect will be combined/downmixed in your center channel for 2 channel recordings......or is the center channel not even active for 2 channel recordings??
The center channel won't be active for 2 channel recordings.
post #8058 of 10175
Today, I had big problems with my OPPO with the latest beta-firmware. I watched the movie Elysium (via network from my iMac with PS3 Media Server).
Suddenly, I could not change the volume via the remote, nothing happened. I tried several times. Then, I used my iPad and the OPPO-app to change the volume a little bit.
Some minutes later, suddenly out-of-the-blue, the Oppo starts raising the volume in a high speed up to 100.
I have 1,2KW mono blocks directly connected to the Oppo....
I threw myself forward (the wife was impressed by the speed) and turned the Oppo off before possibly blowing the speakers. I was lucky that it happened in a silent part of the movie.
This is maybe the only thing I can not accept happening, the volume turning up to 100 by itself.
Do you think it is related to the app? If I stop using it, I will be safe?
I also changed batteries in the remote, but it seems far-fetched.
I also applied the max-volume setting, hopefully that will override this catastrophic bug.
post #8059 of 10175
Thread Starter 
It could be that you have a sticky remote control button. Try removing the batteries and pressing and holding the VOL buttons on the remote control for several seconds and as hard as you can.

Return the batteries to the remote and see if the same errors persist.
post #8060 of 10175
^^ Yes, definitely take advantage of the max volume setting feature. It will save you from a catastrophic speaker burnout, regardless if it was you or Oppo that caused this mishap.
post #8061 of 10175
Hi
I have same Problems with Beta Firmware. Now the new Released Version it works mutch better!
post #8062 of 10175
Oppo new Media Controll App on Galaxy Tab 2

Has anyone a Idea how I can install this app on my Galaxy Tab 2? On the Store it say this App is not compatible with your Hardware. Die APK download, I cant install the Zip File mad.gif

Any Idea?
post #8063 of 10175
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Originally Posted by worldinsider View Post

OPPO has been terrific throughout this entire ordeal.

Given the usual quality of Oppo - I am a bit disappointed that there is an "ordeal" at all for folks with this new firmware.

I was going to join the party this weekend - but now - I am not so sure....

VP
post #8064 of 10175
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Originally Posted by Vocalpoint View Post

Given the usual quality of Oppo - I am a bit disappointed that there is an "ordeal" at all for folks with this new firmware.

I was going to join the party this weekend - but now - I am not so sure....

VP

Stuff happens. There is not a piece of modern electronics in existence that doesn't have issues with one thing or another.
The fact that Oppo has put man hours, and diligent support efforts toward fixing it is a testament to their dedication of making a superior product.
Many other manufacturers would more than likely just sweep it under the rug since only 1 customer has the problem.
Sometimes it seems that Oppo is so good at making great products, and with such stellar support to their consumers,
that people expect a bit too much. In other words, nothing is perfect. As the saying goes, shoot for the stars and you just might land on the moon. wink.gif

If your current fw has no issues for you, then maybe you should just stick with it for now.
post #8065 of 10175
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Originally Posted by roendi View Post

Oppo new Media Controll App on Galaxy Tab 2

Has anyone a Idea how I can install this app on my Galaxy Tab 2? On the Store it say this App is not compatible with your Hardware. Die APK download, I cant install the Zip File mad.gif

Any Idea?


Did you unzip it? You should just be able to copy the unzipped file to your device then go into a file manager find the file and "run" it. Perhaps by clicking on it or tapping it???

post #8066 of 10175
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

Stuff happens. There is not a piece of modern electronics in existence that doesn't have issues with one thing or another.
The fact that Oppo has put man hours, and diligent support efforts toward fixing it is a testament to their dedication of making a superior product. Many other manufacturers would more than likely just sweep it under the rug since only 1 customer has the problem. Sometimes it seems that Oppo is so good at making great products, and with such stellar support to their consumers, that people expect a bit too much. In other words, nothing is perfect. As the saying goes, shoot for the stars and you just might land on the moon. wink.gif If your current fw has no issues for you, then maybe you should just stick with it for now.

Well - here' my dilemma. Stands to reason that every Oppo 105 on the planet is identical. Hence when a firmware update (which is also identical for everyone) is applied to these identical machines - you would think that we would ALL be subject to the same issues. Yet for every guy that suddenly discovers "white noise" bursts - there is 5 more saying "Best ever update". How is this possible?

While I do not wish white noise bursts on anyone - how can one guy be suffering and others do not? Or how can Oppo ship a "final" update that contains these issues when I am certain that a truckload of beta players had their say - WELL before this one came out. Was no single beta tester out there was reporting "white noise" issues and now suddenly Oppo says there is one. Like WTF?

I suppose if everyone was having no issues OR everyone was having the same issues - I could understand it better. But when you really have NO idea what you are going to get - at your place - with your Oppo - therein lies the the problem. Do I go for it or not go for it?

Obviously - I do not want to trash a perfectly good player but this isn't even a case of " If my current FW has no issues " - it's more of a case of when can I update without worry? Never? And having the player automatically offer you an update is not a good thing either. For someone who has no idea about possible firmware issues - they would just go for it and assume everything was going to be great - until it really isn't.

Cheers,

VP
Edited by Vocalpoint - 12/13/13 at 9:23am
post #8067 of 10175
A lot of these problems that affect only a few people are because of interactions with specific other products those people own. That's primarily why a firmware update doesn't have the same results for everyone out there. While I'm sure Oppo attempts to test new firmware as fully as possible, it is impossible to test every possible combination of devices. It is only when the firmware gets out there that these problems can be found. When you think of all the different TVs, receivers, preamps, amplifiers, game consoles, disc drives, set-top boxes and numerous other devices that can be put together in a home system, it is amazing there aren't more problems. You could even add in things like wiring and grounding problems in particular homes, weather effects, and who knows what else.
post #8068 of 10175
^Yep, what he said, lol smile.gif
There are THOUSANDS of devices being used in different configurations, and Oppo has the lovely job of trying to get them ALL to play nice with their products.
post #8069 of 10175
I have been around electronics for almost 30 years. Devices are very fragile. When it comes to hardware and, especially, software, you can have 10 of the same device and each of them act differently when combined with other devices. If you have ever seen the inside of a Blu-ray or DVD player, you cab see literally hundreds, if not thousands of components with even more solder joints. Even though the circuit boards are made on a very precise machine, called Pick and Place, the components still have an error factor in the placement on the board and the solder joints are not always exact.

These are just some of the differences, along with the above statements, that make each OPPO slightly different from each other. Software is the same deal. All it takes is for a bit or 2 to not get through and your hosed.
post #8070 of 10175
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Software is the same deal. All it takes is for a bit or 2 to not get through and your hosed.

I disagree here. Software does not work (or in some cases - even install) if a "bit or two" is missing. Checksums and other functions ensure that the firmware update (which is a low level software update) is identical for all of us. It's not like my firmware download is going to be 5 bits lighter than the next guy.

I agree to a (small) point on the Oppo hardware but even then - this stuff is tooled to extremely high precision and while the tops on a solder joint may look different - my Oppo does not have different bits and pieces from the next guy. At least I hope not smile.gif

VP
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