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post #811 of 5657
12/7/12 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Soooo .... does the latest FW beta solve or eliminate the A/V sync problem on digital inputs and shiny disks???

I responded to this in the 103 thread, where you also asked it.
--Bob
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post #812 of 5657
12/7/12 at 11:44am
Secrets of Home Theater & High Fidelity finally wrapped up their 5 page BDP-105 review, presented here as all pages.
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Conclusions

What we see here is not just another universal Blu-ray player, but a player that is morphing into a media server. It has every type of input that one could ask for, including a connection for a hard drive through the USB port, that gives you unlimited space to store your music and video files, as well as an HDMI input, coaxial and optical digital inputs, and wireless network, which allows you to access music and video files anywhere in your wireless home network. It was designed as a Blu-ray player that has superb video and audio, with the media server features added, rather than a conglomerate of several terabytes of storage with a network connection, and a Blu-ray player added.

The result is something magical. When the iPad app is completed, we will truly have an audiophile-grade universal source, universal server, or whatever name you want to put to it, that is almost limitless in capability.

Well done, OPPO!
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post #813 of 5657
12/7/12 at 12:00pm
^ Cool! A serial with a happy ending! biggrin.gif

The other shoe, yet to drop, is their video review -- due "real soon now".
--Bob
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post #814 of 5657
12/7/12 at 12:43pm
Does OPPO ever release information about the number of units that they've sold for each model that they make? I'd be curious to see how many 105s and 103s they've sold so far.
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post #815 of 5657
12/7/12 at 12:48pm
^ They are a private company, and have never published such details. You can get a feel by checking where, for example, the BDP-103 sits on Amazon's Best Sellers > Blu-ray Players list (currently at #10).
--Bob
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post #816 of 5657
12/7/12 at 12:48pm
AudioHead: A new YouTube video review of the BDP-105:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D2zTRd7FuE

--Bob
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post #817 of 5657
12/7/12 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Why does he need shielded speakers? Unless his display is CRT-based there is no need for the center speaker to be shielded. Plasma and LCD displays are unaffected by unshielded speakers.

He did say he has a CRT.
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post #818 of 5657
12/7/12 at 1:24pm
I couldn't find his original post to see what kind of display he had, despite using Search.
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post #819 of 5657
12/7/12 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

 Your Kuro setup needs video delays?  Why on earth are you using such a fine display for video processing? I have no video processing on mine(PRO-151FD,60"). I set to dot-to-dot mode and have have it already calibrated by an ISF professional. All the delays in my system are set to zero(granted i have an Oppo 95 which feeds into my anthem d2v pre-pro) which feeds into my Kuro. No delay settings needed whatsover... Something else is going on, probably the A/V sync problems exhibited in the current Oppo 105 firmware.

I don't have the Kuro set to dot-to-dot, but I know that my Anthem D1 has a VERY large audio delay set in order to get audio sync correct. This is both for my Rogers box (input via Toslink) and the Sony BluRay (input via S/PDIF). Perhaps if I used HDMI everywhere, it would be a different story? If I went to the 105 as my pre-pro, I would be rolling the dice on sync. Since you have the same setup as me (though you use the d2v, and I have a Kuro Pro 150-FD), perhaps it would work ...

 

Neil:

 

This is really strange and atypical. Have you disabled ay and every processing mode in the TV? I have an HDMI setup for my Oppo 95 plus a HDMI + Toslink audio from my Moxi DVR. I haven't noticed ANY form of V/V sync and delay settings are zero in the D2v. If you are up to it, i'd try this temporary test first.

 

Bypass the D2v and go from the Rogers box(or Sony player) directly to the TV.Your PRO-150 has speakers for audio. Do you notice any A/V sync issues? If so, then most likely, a problem with the Roger's box and try to have it replaced first. Also make sure you have the latest FW for your Kuro as well.

 

Chances are all things will sync up fine in this setup, i suspect.

 

The root cause of most A/V sync problems is the video processing in the TV displays. I suspect you'll be best served by turning off all video processing within the Kuro. If you have your set professionally calibrated, the calibrator should ave turned these processing modes off for you.

 

- David

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post #820 of 5657
12/7/12 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Why does he need shielded speakers? Unless his display is CRT-based there is no need for the center speaker to be shielded. Plasma and LCD displays are unaffected by unshielded speakers.

I think you might need to re read his post? "the B&W was NOT shielded and reeked havoc with my 34" 1080i tube TV - Sony KV-34XBR910".
 I believe he IS referring to a CRT monitor.
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post #821 of 5657
12/7/12 at 2:09pm
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That's the first time I've heard of that. Does it work with any DLNA server, or does the TV require something specific?
Embedded in MKV the subtitles are still text/SRT but are converted to UTF8, a standardized encoding. At least that's what mkvmerge does, but I think MKV text subtitles are always UTF8.
The OPPO supports UTF8 in embedded subtitles (although not in external files). The character sets cover western and eastern Europe and, in my limited testing, at least some Cyrillic, Hebrew and Japanese.
-Bill

Well, I was a bit confused. I do not remember which device it was that allowed me to select the subtitles before selecting the video to be played with the subtitles... maybe the TV with an external disk??

Anyway: the Samsung TV plays videos with SRT or SUB subtitles through DLNA if the files have the same name as the videofile. I do not remember whether I have ever set the encoding (windows-1250!) but it shows the correctly.

Oppo does not show any subtitles in the DMP mode, but it shows them in the SMB/CIFS mode. Again: only when they have identical filename and again the encoding is somehow guessed(?) correctly (the device was bought in UK).

The DLNA server is a standard TwonkyMedia installed on a NAS. I also remember that the TV wasn't able to play subtitles embedded ina MKV file, but I have not tested those with the Oppo, yet.
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post #822 of 5657
12/7/12 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Do let us know once you've had a chance to confirm that the Audiocom-installed, multi-zone Blu-ray, 3rd party hardware mod is working.
As for the firmware, does the leaflet suggest that URL is needed for the PLAYER'S firmware? Or for firmware updates to the mod hardware? In the past, sometimes after OPPO updated the player firmware a matching firmware update was also needed for the mod hardware itself to restore the multi-zone functionality. This varied for different OPPO updates and for different makes of mod hardware.
Perhaps Audiocom is trying to set something up so that you don't do the OPPO update until the matching mod hardware update is available? I don't know how they could do that given that you can install the OPPO firmware via USB.
--Bob

I am afraid I won't have any chance to test it anytime soon. I rather invested into the mod, because the UK price with the mod was actually the same as the German price without it (both being much lower than in my country of residence :-/ ).

I'll rather quote the sheet word by word here:
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OPPO BDP-103EU/105EU MRMZ MOD
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY

This OPPO Blu-ray player has been fitted with a hardware modification for Region Free DVD & Multi Zone Blu-ray (MRMZ) Please refer to the separate instruction sheet for changing Blu-ray Zones.

IMPORTANT:

The firmware for your OPPO player needs to be updated by the internet for MRMZ function to remain active.

The firmware in your player is modified to go the correct IP address and download new firmware when available.
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post #823 of 5657
12/7/12 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Soooo .... does the latest FW beta solve or eliminate the A/V sync problem on digital inputs and shiny disks???

I responded to this in the 103 thread, where you also asked it.
--Bob

Well appreciated Bob ...

 

Do you know the names of Oppo's authorized online resellers in the US? I only know of Music Direct and Amazon. I need to price shop a bit, i.e. free shipping, no sales tax etc ...

 

 

Thanks,

David


Edited by dmusoke - 12/7/12 at 2:50pm
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post #824 of 5657
12/7/12 at 2:40pm
Hi everyone,

I just switched over from a BDP-95 to the BDP-105 and am using only the analog outputs for audio. I have my 5.1 configuration setup in my BDP-105 with all speakers as small and a crossover of 80Hz. When I look at the user manual on Page 70 I see the following entry
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Stereo Signal: To select the audio source that will be processed and sent out through the STEREO and the XLR BALANCED STEREO audio terminals. The available options are:
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post #825 of 5657
12/7/12 at 2:47pm
The new 105 is on its way. I'm thinking this is going to be great Christmas Present to myself. My wife is shaking her head at me.....I have a question on the hook-up . I am going to do the 5.1 analog outs to the Marantz SR AV 7500 receiver > to my 5 MK 1600s and twin MK Subs. .From reading the post in this thread. I think I have the TV room figured out. But my question is in the Garage. I have a couple Klipsch RB-61 IIs in the garage. I have a Miller Kreisel (MX125 M2) out there also. My Marantz has a " Multi-Room Speaker" option that I have been using to control the sound of the Klipsch's.. Will the dacs in the OPPO be in control of the sound in the Garage ,or will it still be run through the Marantz's dacs?
Edited by ss3740 - 12/7/12 at 2:59pm
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post #826 of 5657
12/7/12 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

Hi everyone,

I just switched over from a BDP-95 to the BDP-105 and am using only the analog outputs for audio. I have my 5.1 configuration setup in my BDP-105 with all speakers as small and a crossover of 80Hz. When I look at the user manual on Page 70 I see the following entry
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Stereo Signal: To select the audio source that will be processed and sent out through the STEREO and the XLR BALANCED STEREO audio terminals. The available options are:

What are you asking?

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post #827 of 5657
12/7/12 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

Hi everyone,
I just switched over from a BDP-95 to the BDP-105 and am using only the analog outputs for audio. I have my 5.1 configuration setup in my BDP-105 with all speakers as small and a crossover of 80Hz. When I look at the user manual on Page 70 I see the following entry
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Stereo Signal: To select the audio source that will be processed and sent out through the STEREO and the XLR BALANCED STEREO audio terminals. The available options are:


They must have added a few pages to the manual...I just printed one off the OPPO website for the 105, and that info you posted is on Page 74 , not 70
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post #828 of 5657
12/7/12 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Well appreciated Bob ...

Do you know the names of Oppo's authorized online resellers in the US? I only know of Music Direct and Amazon. I need to price shop a bit, i.e. free shipping, no sales tax etc ...


Thanks,
David

Crutchfield
Audio Advisor
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post #829 of 5657
12/7/12 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

Hi everyone,
I just switched over from a BDP-95 to the BDP-105 and am using only the analog outputs for audio. I have my 5.1 configuration setup in my BDP-105 with all speakers as small and a crossover of 80Hz. When I look at the user manual on Page 70 I see the following entry
Quote:
Stereo Signal: To select the audio source that will be processed and sent out through the STEREO and the XLR BALANCED STEREO audio terminals. The available options are:

sorry the reply got hosed up by my cutting and pasting. I will do a new post.

Cheers.
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post #830 of 5657
12/7/12 at 3:10pm
Hi everyone,
I just switched over from a BDP-95 to the BDP-105 and am using only the analog outputs for audio. I have my 5.1 configuration setup in my BDP-105 with all speakers as small and a crossover of 80Hz. When I look at the user manual on Page 74 I see the following entry:

Stereo Signal: To select the audio source that will be processed and sent out through the STEREO and the XLR BALANCED STEREO audio terminals. The available options are:

Down-mixed Stereo – The stereo or down-mixed stereo signals are processed and sent out from the dedicated stereo output terminals.

Front Left/Right – The original Front Left (FL) and Front Right (FR) signals are sent out from the dedicated stereo output terminals. The purpose is to fully utilize the better DAC hardware originally assigned to the dedicated stereo outputs for customers who prefer multi- channel speakers and do not need the dedicated stereo output or zone 2 output. When this option is selected, the dedicated stereo output ports should be used as the Front outputs of the 7.1ch / 5.1ch / Stereo Audio group. The original FL/FR RCA connectors should not be connected.

So using this information I have chosen the Front Left/Right option in the settings and have connected my two front speakers to the dedicated stereo R and L output. I have confirmed I have sound through both those speakers and the subwoofer (Apple TV HDMI input of a stereo signal). So everything seems to be working fine.

What I was wondering is that I thought the BDP-105 DACs were the same (e.g. no DAC stacking anymore). This seems to suggest that I get a better DAC output if I use the dedicated stereo R and L RCA outputs wired in this manner for my audio. Just curious as to what is the difference from a technical point of view?

Any information greatly appreciated.

Cheers.
Edited by TKO1 - 12/7/12 at 3:57pm
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post #831 of 5657
12/7/12 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Well appreciated Bob ...

Do you know the names of Oppo's authorized online resellers in the US? I only know of Music Direct and Amazon. I need to price shop a bit, i.e. free shipping, no sales tax etc ...


Thanks,
David

Crutchfield
Audio Advisor

 

Thanks-a-bunch JazzGuyysmile.gif!

 

Silly questionconfused.gif ... are these companies reliable and rock solid to work with? Which one of the two would you prefer?


Edited by dmusoke - 12/7/12 at 3:45pm
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post #832 of 5657
12/7/12 at 4:46pm
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Silly question:confused: ... are these companies reliable and rock solid to work with? Which one of the two would you prefer?
Both Crutchfield and Audio Advisor are excellent companies to work with and I've purchased items from both over the years. I've actually returned items to both companies because the item didn't fit my needs for one reason or another and never had any issues at all. If the price is the same, I would go with the one which is closer to me as shipping would be a bit quicker.
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

Hi everyone,
What I was wondering is that I thought the BDP-105 DACs were the same (e.g. no DAC stacking anymore). This seems to suggest that I get a better DAC output if I use the dedicated stereo R and L RCA outputs wired in this manner for my audio. Just curious as to what is the difference from a technical point of view?
Any information greatly appreciated.
Though the DAC chip is the same, the rest of the analog boards are different between the multichannel outputs and the dedicated stereo outputs with the dedicated outputs having the better board.
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post #833 of 5657
12/7/12 at 5:00pm

^^^

 

Thanks gsr ...relieved ot know both are excellent companies. With free shipping and no sales tax ($100 for me in Cali), the price difference between them is $0.99! One costs $1219.00 and the other $1219.99biggrin.gif!

 

EDIT:

OK ...went with Crutchfield 'coz they had PayPal payment option(too lazy to look up my CC info in the dark), even tho they cost me $0.99 morebiggrin.gif!


Edited by dmusoke - 12/7/12 at 5:10pm
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post #834 of 5657
12/7/12 at 5:22pm
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Though the DAC chip is the same, the rest of the analog boards are different between the multichannel outputs and the dedicated stereo outputs with the dedicated outputs having the better board.

Okay, thanks for that. Cheers.

Tony
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post #835 of 5657
12/7/12 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

Hi everyone,
I just switched over from a BDP-95 to the BDP-105 and am using only the analog outputs for audio. I have my 5.1 configuration setup in my BDP-105 with all speakers as small and a crossover of 80Hz. When I look at the user manual on Page 74 I see the following entry:
Stereo Signal: To select the audio source that will be processed and sent out through the STEREO and the XLR BALANCED STEREO audio terminals. The available options are:
Down-mixed Stereo – The stereo or down-mixed stereo signals are processed and sent out from the dedicated stereo output terminals.
Front Left/Right – The original Front Left (FL) and Front Right (FR) signals are sent out from the dedicated stereo output terminals. The purpose is to fully utilize the better DAC hardware originally assigned to the dedicated stereo outputs for customers who prefer multi- channel speakers and do not need the dedicated stereo output or zone 2 output. When this option is selected, the dedicated stereo output ports should be used as the Front outputs of the 7.1ch / 5.1ch / Stereo Audio group. The original FL/FR RCA connectors should not be connected.
So using this information I have chosen the Front Left/Right option in the settings and have connected my two front speakers to the dedicated stereo R and L output. I have confirmed I have sound through both those speakers and the subwoofer (Apple TV HDMI input of a stereo signal). So everything seems to be working fine.
What I was wondering is that I thought the BDP-105 DACs were the same (e.g. no DAC stacking anymore). This seems to suggest that I get a better DAC output if I use the dedicated stereo R and L RCA outputs wired in this manner for my audio. Just curious as to what is the difference from a technical point of view?
Any information greatly appreciated.
Cheers.

Sorry, Im confused. My 105 is on the way, so for multichannel I can connect the XLR for R/L without the RCAs for R/L and the output is not going to be down mixed with x.1 content?
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post #836 of 5657
12/7/12 at 7:24pm
In order to add the headphone amp and the USB DAC, OPPO made some changes to the design. The BDP-95's stereo output stacks four DAC channels for each L/R output channel. The idea of the stacked DAC design is to increase the output current from the DAC so a smaller I/V conversion resistor can be used (a smaller resistor has lower thermal noise). When OPPO tried to utilize this design in the BDP-105, they found that the performance became worse. The additional input and output made it impossible to design an optimized PCB layout if they maintained the stacked DAC channels, so a non-stacked DAC channel design was implemented.

In the 105, there is one pair of DACs for the RCA output, one pair for the XLR, and two pairs stacked for the headphone amplifier. The new configuration minimizes interference and crosstalk. A higher value I/V resistor (1.2 kOhm compared to 430 Ohms in the BDP-95) had to be used, but by beefing up the power supply and separating the stereo and multi-channel boards, audiophile-grade performance was maintained.
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post #837 of 5657
12/7/12 at 7:29pm
^^^
The sub will work as long as you select small front speakers and sub on (yes) with crossover in speaker set up menu.
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post #838 of 5657
12/7/12 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by audionuts View Post

^^^
The sub will work as long as you select small front speakers and sub on (yes) with crossover in speaker set up menu.

Except for feeds from the USB DAC....
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post #839 of 5657
12/7/12 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by nycjazz View Post

Sorry, Im confused. My 105 is on the way, so for multichannel I can connect the XLR for R/L without the RCAs for R/L and the output is not going to be down mixed with x.1 content?
The dedicated stereo outputs (both XLR and RCA) can either be configured to be a 2 channel downmix OR as front R/L to be used in conjunction with the rest of the multichannel outputs. That choice is made in the Setup menus. Even though they're still using just a pair of DAC channels, the rest of the DAC implementation is better on the stereo outputs.
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post #840 of 5657
12/7/12 at 9:04pm
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Except for feeds from the USB DAC....

Thanks for clarify. I forgot about that. Anyway, I could not test out the usb port since I have W8.
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