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post #8611 of 10046
Can the BDP-105 be used as a standalone pre-pro (with the only input being a Rogers Netbox 3.0 PVR via HDMI)?

When I looked into this before, I seem to remember some problems:

1) On firmware upgrade, the unit defaults to fixed output levels. This isn't a problem if you remember to reset it, though.

2) Limitations with bass-management and level settings for the analog outputs. I don't remember what the issues were here, but is there a problem? I would have to set individual levels, for sure. Bass management would be nice, but might not be as important, depending on whether the sources have bass in the back channels. My mains are full-range.

I have an Anthem D1 pre-pro (no HDMI), but I don't want to had to re-digitize the output to get bass management and level settings. I would prefer to remove the D1 from the chain entirely, or else use it in bypass mode. I'm trying to get better than Dolby-digital S/PDIF sound.
post #8612 of 10046
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Originally Posted by audioNeil View Post

1) On firmware upgrade, the unit defaults to fixed output levels.

Recent firmware has new settings for retained volume.

-Bill
post #8613 of 10046
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Originally Posted by audioNeil View Post



2) Limitations with bass-management and level settings for the analog outputs. I don't remember what the issues were here, but is there a problem? I would have to set individual levels, for sure. Bass management would be nice, but might not be as important, depending on whether the sources have bass in the back channels. My mains are full-range.

You can control the downmix into just about any logical configuration and there are crossover settings for the subwoofer.
There are also distance and channels trim settings. See pages 68-73 of the manual.
http://download.oppodigital.com/BDP105/BDP-105_USER_MANUAL_English_v1.6.pdf
post #8614 of 10046
I am looking at the manual now, and it looks like everything I need is there,

Except for potentially one feature. When listening to DVD or PVR, the data is likely to only Dolby Digital 5.1 . I have a 7.1 setup. I see a "downmix to 5.1" option, but not a "copy-back-channels for 5.1" feature. Is that a problem? I do not want to watch these sources with the back channels turned off.
post #8615 of 10046
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Originally Posted by audioNeil View Post

I am looking at the manual now, and it looks like everything I need is there,

Except for potentially one feature. When listening to DVD or PVR, the data is likely to only Dolby Digital 5.1 . I have a 7.1 setup. I see a "downmix to 5.1" option, but not a "copy-back-channels for 5.1" feature. Is that a problem? I do not want to watch these sources with the back channels turned off.
The player won't synthesize channels, so when listening to 5.1 content, your rear speakers won't get anything. The BDP-105 isn't going to be anywhere near as flexible as a full-fledge pre/pro.
post #8616 of 10046
Oh, I remember the other missing BDP-105 feature -- an audio sync delay over analog (preferably input selectable). That could be a killer, as I currently use large delays.
post #8617 of 10046
^ The 105 has an audio/video sync setting. Audio delays are selectable in increments of 10 ms. The range is from -100 ms to +200 ms.
Edited by DanF8500 - 1/11/14 at 6:17pm
post #8618 of 10046
I am currently still deciding between a 105 and 103D. I am concerned about the undefeatable noise reduciton with the Qdeo on HDMI1. As a solution for the 105, to get its benefits and still have the option for a true source direct with no processing, could I run HDMI1(Qdeo) to my display (Pioneer Elite PRO111FD) and HDMI2 (Mediatek) to my AVR (Yamaha RX-A2000). In this way I could use the Qdeo on SD DVDs with HDMI1 taking video direct to my display and HDMI2 taking audio to the AVR, and then on Blu-rays where I want the most pristine/accurate picture possible, using the HDMI2 output to take audio and video the receiver, where the receiver would then repeat the pure video to the display through the AVR's display HDMI out? Would this functionality work or would it be something that I would have to change a bunch of settings for every time? Thanks in advance.
post #8619 of 10046
^ You're getting waaaaayyyy too hung up on this "undefeatable noise reduction" from the Qdeo video processor. I haven't read a post of one person who had noticed any visual differences in picture quality either way. I've read numerous reports that running the video signal thru the 105 enhanced the video quality coming from cable/satellite STB's/DVR's. The decision between buying a 103D and a 105 should be based on whether you're going to utilize any of the 105's different input options than the 103's, if you're going to take advantage of the 105's audiophile Dac's, and utilize the additional 105 dac in its dedicated stereo analog outputs, and whether you want to utilize a headphone output, which is unique to the 105.
Edited by DanF8500 - 1/12/14 at 10:34am
post #8620 of 10046
I have a large selection of cds saved on an external usb drive. I used windows media player and saved as wma lossless. I realize the 105 does not playback wma lossless, but what program can i use to convert the files to flac and get the album art as well ?
post #8621 of 10046
I had the same issue and used DB poweramp batch converter, which works great. You have to tag each track with the album art for it to show up though. The 105 doesn't recognize "folder" art.
post #8622 of 10046
is it hard to tag the art work ? or can it be done automatically within the program you are referencing ?
post #8623 of 10046
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Originally Posted by Invictus87 View Post

I am currently still deciding between a 105 and 103D. I am concerned about the undefeatable noise reduciton with the Qdeo on HDMI1. As a solution for the 105, to get its benefits and still have the option for a true source direct with no processing, could I run HDMI1(Qdeo) to my display (Pioneer Elite PRO111FD) and HDMI2 (Mediatek) to my AVR (Yamaha RX-A2000). In this way I could use the Qdeo on SD DVDs with HDMI1 taking video direct to my display and HDMI2 taking audio to the AVR, and then on Blu-rays where I want the most pristine/accurate picture possible, using the HDMI2 output to take audio and video the receiver, where the receiver would then repeat the pure video to the display through the AVR's display HDMI out? Would this functionality work or would it be something that I would have to change a bunch of settings for every time? Thanks in advance.

Are you not planning on using the analog outputs on the 105? Then the 103 or 103D would be a better fit for you.

-Bill
post #8624 of 10046
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Are you not planning on using the analog outputs on the 105? Then the 103 or 103D would be a better fit for you.

-Bill
I do plan on using the analog outputs (rcas for now) to my receiver and I do like the appeal of the usb dac functionality. So yes the audio function is nice and would get used, I am really just hung up on the video right now. I'm leaning 105 but if I were to do the 103D for the aforementioned reasons I would likely add the upcoming Headphone Amplifier which seems to be very much a separate version of the 105's audio section plus a few extras.
post #8625 of 10046

After reading a lot about the YAQIN MS-20L on another AVS forum,  I think this is the amp I want to power my front R&L Mangnepan MMGW speakers. Does anyone have any experience linking up a 105 with this tube amp?

post #8626 of 10046
^ What is that integrated amp's input sensitivity? You're going to be dealing with two preamp stages(two volume controls) if you decide to purchase that amp. Will you max out the 105's volume (2 Volt on its rca outs), and control volume on the integrated? Just make sure you don't overdrive the tube amp with the 105, and you should be fine..
Edited by DanF8500 - 1/12/14 at 8:54pm
post #8627 of 10046
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

^ What is that integrated amp's input sensitivity? 

Very good point. I should find a Chinese tube power amp only. Any suggestions?

post #8628 of 10046
^ I've never owned a tube power amp. I had a midi tube preamp for an electric guitar setup years ago though. biggrin.gif
That being said, I'm not trying to deter you from your purchase. Just make sure the input sensitivity of your tube amp is compatible with the range of output sensitivities from the 105. I couldn't find any specs for your tube amp, which, to me, is a red flag already...
Edited by DanF8500 - 1/13/14 at 8:46am
post #8629 of 10046
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Originally Posted by oneartist View Post

Very good point. I should find a Chinese tube power amp only. Any suggestions?

I'm not terribly familiar with Chinese amps, but I'm very familiar with hand built American tube amps - and I've already run two different ones with my Oppo BSP-105 ( www.Decware.com in this case)

First off - one thing to keep in mind that I've heard about the Chinese amps, is you have zero recourse if the amp fails or needs repair. So you might be pro-active and look for a local guy who knows how to repair tube amps, just in case. If the amp is well built, it could outlast you, so I'm not knocking tube amps, as I've said, I run them myself. But it's always good to be prepared - and to me, that means research the common failure points, have a tube amp tech's contact info handy, and have a spare set of tubes handy in case one fails.

So, onto the Oppo and a tube amp.

My amps have volume control, but not remote ones, and my tube amps are typically very tolerant of input voltage and speaker impedance. So I just crank my amp up to 80-90% and simply use the variable output on the Oppo as my remote volume knob.

With tube gear and modern digital/analog gear, you have to juggle the volume and see what sounds good to you. Having the Oppo on 100% and vary the volume on the Chinese amp might work/sound best for you, or the opposite, or...maybe somewhere in the middle (amp at 80% and Oppo as your variable).

I don't see a problem with this at all, just play with it, listen to it, and see what works.
Edited by Lonely Raven - 1/13/14 at 8:40am
post #8630 of 10046
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Originally Posted by Lonely Raven View Post


First off - one thing to keep in mind that I've heard about the Chinese amps, is you have zero recourse if the amp fails or needs repair. 

I have Magnepan MMGC and MMGW speakers now and I plan to add 1.7 Maggis for my front R&L. I've seen Magnepans demoed using Peach Tree amps. I'm considering a Peachtree 220 class D amp. Any experience with this combination here?

post #8631 of 10046
How is the volume control on Oppo-105 when you use it as a surround processor (multi-channel pre-amp)?

Since Oppo-105 is line-level only, do you get enough volume?
post #8632 of 10046
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Originally Posted by sharok View Post

How is the volume control on Oppo-105 when you use it as a surround processor (multi-channel pre-amp)?

Since Oppo-105 is line-level only, do you get enough volume?

Wouldn't that also depend on the volume of your amps?
I have no problems using the vol control of the 105.
I just got done watching a movie and when I had the vol at +80, it was blowing out my ears and had to dial it down to +75. smile.gif
post #8633 of 10046
^^ Not taking into account any hearing deficiencies, adequate volume is a factor of a combination of the input/output sensitivity of your amp/preamp (via rca or xlr), your amp's gain/output rating under the load of your speakers, along with your speaker's efficiency rating. I'm also assuming your audio recording is not 60 minutes of whispering...biggrin.gif
Edited by DanF8500 - 1/13/14 at 12:34pm
post #8634 of 10046
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post


I just got done watching a movie and when I had the vol at +80, it was blowing out my ears and had to dial it down to +75. smile.gif

Yes, with the Oppo at 80 my NAD 2200 bridged to MMGC is too loud. Before, when I first routed the 105 analog out to my Denon 3805 I needed the Oppo set at near 100 and the music did not compare with using the 105 as the preamp. I'm selling the 3805.

post #8635 of 10046
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Originally Posted by sharok View Post

How is the volume control on Oppo-105 when you use it as a surround processor (multi-channel pre-amp)?

Since Oppo-105 is line-level only, do you get enough volume?

The Oppo has plenty of vol. I did read that there were some problems with some integrated amps not responding well to the 2V output of the Oppo. That's why I'm staying away from integrated. But Lonely Raven (above) said he does not have any problems running an integrated amp with the 105. But his amps are upper level quality - above my head.

post #8636 of 10046
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Originally Posted by oneartist View Post

The Oppo has plenty of vol. I did read that there were some problems with some integrated amps not responding well to the 2V output of the Oppo. That's why I'm staying away from integrated. But Lonely Raven (above) said he does not have any problems running an integrated amp with the 105. But his amps are upper level quality - above my head.

My amps aren't exactly "integrated" as well, they are more power amps that happen to have input tubes. So maybe a bad example.

I still think that the variable volume on the Oppo makes it a moot point - you should be able to dial in the voltage you want. E.G. if your amp wants only 1v, then just set the Oppo to 50% and use the volume on your integrated.

Having too much voltage usually isn't a problem!
post #8637 of 10046
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Originally Posted by Lonely Raven View Post




I still think that the variable volume on the Oppo makes it a moot point - you should be able to dial in the voltage you want. E.G. if your amp wants only 1v, then just set the Oppo to 50% and use the volume on your integrated.

 

OK, I may try a YAQIN MS-20L through Canada.  Tabnaac stocks, warentees, and ships these amps out of Toronto - also much faster shipping than from China. I told him about my concerns and he did not make any attempt to sell me somthing I was not sure about. It's almost impossible to find a tube amp from China that is not integrated. I think that Lonely Raven is right about adjusting the volumes back and forth for the best sound. One thing is for sure. There was a very long discussion here at AVS regarding Chinese amps and the MS-20L was one of the best liked. It will be pushing nearly $800 including shipping so I hope the PeachTree 220 wasn't a better choice for $1000. Opinions? Spending money is so scarry.

post #8638 of 10046
I have my 105 going directly to my amp. I listen to DVD's at 80, the highest of any source.
post #8639 of 10046
^^ The Peachtree 220 has a sensitivity rating at 1.2V. That would factor with a typical 105 volume output of around 60 (via rca's) to reach the maximum potential and prevent clipping/overdriving your amp. I'm sure you're aware that the peachtree is a solid state amp, not a tube amp.
post #8640 of 10046
https://www.facebook.com/OPPODigital/posts/10100375900035601 hope I put the right link up, the Oppo bdp-105D Darbee Edition is out!
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