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OPPO BDP-105EU test: a marvel! (translated hdfever.fr)
Published December 8, 2012 by Nicolas Bécuwe
A very extensive review with a ton of images.
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Nice review! I'm looking forward to trying the 105 very soon:D

 

I agree indeed. Very detailed review with honest criticisms as well. I also enjoyed the comparison between HDMI 1(Qdeo) and HDMI 2(MediaTek) images whether scaled or not. I was shocked to see the differences in detail, sharpness, colors and depth of field(3D-ishness of the 2D image).

 

Will have to do similar comparison when my unit arrives late next week ....

 

Listed below is a summary of the advantages and disadavantages listed in that review (courtesy of google translation from French to English). Some of the criticisms have merit, i believe.

 

What I liked the OPPO BDP-105EU

  • The high-end design and manufacturing quality
  •  Blu-ray complete with new features
  • Rapid startup and responsiveness of the interface
  • A reader very quiet, does not heat
  • A reader who reads all existing media!
  • The high quality video decoding further improved
  • 4K 1080p upscaling and surgical beauty!
  • A postprocessing configurable, high performance with 3 modes storable
  • Blu-ray Multimedia management for high-performance Blu-ray
  • Quality 3D Blu-ray 3D, management diagonal, and V-Stretch
  • Playback of Super Audio CD excellent
  • A digital circuit of excellent quality (audio and video)
  • Analogue quality much better than before (dynamic noise)
  • DAC function for a high-performance all-in-one
  • External scaler function even if still unstable
  • The extensive connection and excellent quality
  • Possibility of using platinum as a preamp (volume control, RCA, Scaler, audio configuration, etc.)
  • The ability to rezone the plate (optional kit)
  • 2D/3D conversion with depth adjustment, conversion and SBS and T & B sequentially
  • The excellent price / quality ratio

 

 

I regret that with the OPPO BDP-105EU

  • Internet services uninteresting, too poor
  • No management DSD via USB B or files DSDiff
  • Can do even better at the video postprocessing
  • Not support NFS nor ISO Blu-ray, DVD ISO and ISO SACD
  • No Gigabit Ethernet or USB 3.0
  • No multimedia playback Monkey's Audio 192 kHz, MLP
  • No 4K video playback (MKV, or Y4M)
  • 3D multimedia management very poor (no MKV 3D MVC, or MK3D or Dual Files or WMV 3D framepacking)
  • No TrueHD & DTS-HD via HDMI Input
  • Not support DSD via HDMI 1 (ok via HDMI 2)
  • Sharpness of a nonfunctional -16 to 0 and +3 to + 16
  • No navigation possible TV off for use musical
  • CD playback still a little behind the right front CD
  • DAC Dynamic range that can still be improved, especially for the DAC function
  • A platinum (?) still unstable: bugs, crashes, restarts
  • DTS-NEO 6 No analog bass management, no EQ, no separate DSP DTS NEO-6
  • A little bit of jitter, yet absent on the BDP-103EU

Edited by dmusoke - 12/8/12 at 10:46pm
post #872 of 10269
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I agree indeed. Very detailed review with honest criticisms as well. I also enjoyed the comparison between HDMI 1(Qdeo) and HDMI 2(MediaTek) images whether scaled or not. I was shocked to see the differences in detail, sharpness, colors and depth of field(3D-ishness of the image).

Will have to do similar comparison when my unit arrives late next week ....

Very nice indeed I almost got tired of reading the review but wish all of the gear I'm interested in was covered in such detail! I loved it in fact, well looks like its our turn to put the 105 through its paces!

Have fun:)
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

I agree indeed. Very detailed review with honest criticisms as well. I also enjoyed the comparison between HDMI 1(Qdeo) and HDMI 2(MediaTek) images whether scaled or not. I was shocked to see the differences in detail, sharpness, colors and depth of field(3D-ishness of the image).

Will have to do similar comparison when my unit arrives late next week ....

Very nice indeed I almost got tired of reading the review but wish all of the gear I'm interested in was covered in such detail! I loved it in fact, well looks like its our turn to put the 105 through its paces!

Have fun:)

 

I wish US video reviewers were just as practical. They go into many worded details about the visual qualities of an image. After all, a picture speaks a thousand words. A few high quality before/after image comparisons would be enough and much more helpful than the cheesy and endless poetry & pose these reviewers go into trying to describe an image ...


Edited by dmusoke - 12/8/12 at 11:15pm
post #874 of 10269
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Very nice indeed I almost got tired of reading the review but wish all of the gear I'm interested in was covered in such detail! I loved it in fact, well looks like its our turn to put the 105 through its paces!
Have fun:)
Kudos to Nicolas Bécuwe for such a stunning and unrushed evaluation. Eyes glazed over after a while with the intensity of the content, but because the guy went to great effort to compile this review I am going to show my appreciation by reading the whole lot again when I'm less tired. If others were to make the same efforts so quickly after a products release the world would be a much happier place smile.gif
post #875 of 10269
finally got around to unpacking my 105:nice unit

my house got hit by Sandy: major destruction even though it was built new in 2000 on 92 pilings and heavy reinforced concrete piers to what was then the 100 year mark after the 1992 event: the entire downstairs had two feet of seawater in it and windows blown in: the tidal surge was incredibly powerful. Repairs are moving along and I moved back in upstairs. My HT is over the garage and was mostly unaffected. It is difficult to find a plumber, electrician, or any trade around here.

anyway: what are you guys doing to rack mount the 105?

edit: the 105 plays flac music files and shows cover art over the network from an Olive 06HD music server: this is something I have been looking for.
post #876 of 10269
OPPO Digital is now reselling the ROKU Streaming Stick at special, "BUNDLE" pricing!

http://www.oppodigital.com/products.asp

OPPO is selling an "OEM Version" of the ROKU Streaming Stick which does not include the ROKU remote control. This is because the regular OPPO remote for the 103/105 acts as the remote control for the ROKU when you are using the ROKU. (You select to use the ROKU using the Input button on the OPPO remote, or via the ROKU icon on Home Menu.)

Anybody can buy one of these OEM Version sticks direct from OPPO for $79.99 -- $20 off the pricing of the normal, retail version.

BUT WAIT!

If you buy a 103 or 105, you can get an even better "BUNDLE" pricing of $49.99 for the same thing!

And if you've ALREADY purchased a 103 or 105, you can STILL get the "BUNDLE" pricing simply by providing the serial number of your 103/105 to verify your purchase!

So the $79.99 pricing only applies if you want to buy an additional Stick for use with some OTHER "ROKU Ready" device (and don't need ROKU's own remote).

The ROKU Streaming Stick must be plugged into the FRONT HDMI Input socket of the 103/105.

Please note that the ROKU Streaming Stick can not be used with the older OPPO players, since they don't offer HDMI Input sockets.

Also please note that to use the ROKU Streaming Stick you MUST have Wifi set up in your house. The ROKU Streaming Stick has its own, built-in Wifi networking receiver (it doesn't use the networking of the 103/105), and it does NOT have a wired (Ethernet) option for networking.

The ROKU Streaming Stick comes with a 90 day Warranty from ROKU.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 12/9/12 at 8:52am
post #877 of 10269
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

I wish US video reviewers were just as practical. They go into many worded details about the visual qualities of an image. After all, a picture speaks a thousand words. A few high quality before/after image comparisons would be enough and much more helpful than the cheesy and endless poetry & pose these reviewers go into trying to describe an image ...

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Originally Posted by Wavod View Post

Kudos to Nicolas Bécuwe for such a stunning and unrushed evaluation. Eyes glazed over after a while with the intensity of the content, but because the guy went to great effort to compile this review I am going to show my appreciation by reading the whole lot again when I'm less tired. If others were to make the same efforts so quickly after a products release the world would be a much happier place smile.gif

Doing the jobs American reviewers won't...

His snapshots of BR Source Direct (which is without QDEO processing) vs 1080p (which is with) show more dramatic differences than I would expect. He is obviously a fan of tweaking the player Picture Adjustments. Does he say the with and without examples are both at settings "0", or has he adjusted for maximum subjective benefit? (I need to study his text more closely as well).

-Bill
post #878 of 10269
I'm having trouble getting the new beta to download to my 105.

I think I know what the problem is but not sure how to fix it.

On the Oppo site it shows a picture of what the file on the thumb drive should display, and the file type should be 'disc image file' , but mine is 'BIN file'.
How do I convert it to a 'disc image file' ??

Tom
post #879 of 10269
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I'm having trouble getting the new beta to download to my 105.

I think I know what the problem is but not sure how to fix it.

On the Oppo site it shows a picture of what the file on the thumb drive should display, and the file type should be 'disc image file' , but mine is 'BIN file'.
How do I convert it to a 'disc image file' ??

Tom

Just put the downloaded file directly onto the USB stick. There's no longer any need to "UnZip" it first, or to contain it in a UPG folder as was the case when updating the older players.
--Bob
post #880 of 10269
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Just put the downloaded file directly onto the USB stick. There's no longer any need to "UnZip" it first, or to contain it in a UPG folder as was the case when updating the older players.
--Bob

I did exactly that, numerous times, downloading(saving) a fresh copy of the 1205 firmware from Oppo each time. Went into downloads and highlighted, then dragged and dropped to my thumbdrive. Put the thumbdrive in the 105 and nothing happened. So I opened set-up and went to the firmware upgrade>usb>OK and I would get an error message saying that it couldn't find vavid firmware.

I decided to try to close my firewall (Bitdefender) and try again. This time it worked perfectly. When I put the thumbdrive in the 105 it automatically located the firmware and asked if I wanted to upgrade, which I did without a problem.

I decided to try again with a file loaded when the firewall was on, and again it did not automatically start and said that there was no valid firmware located when I went into set-up to force a firmware upgrade.

I deleted that file from the thumbdrive, loaded the non-firewall firware to the thumbdrive and inserted it into the 105.
This time it opened the firmware upgrade automatically, sensed that it already had that firmware and asked if I wanted to re-install.

Apparently my firewall was somehow altering the download in such a way that the Oppo would not recognize it. Both the firewall and non-firewalll downloads were the same size and type (BIN file, not 'disc image file' btw) , but only the non-firewall download worked.

Just a heads up to others who may have the same problem, you may want to temporally turn off your firewall and try again.

Tom
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^ Bizarre. It may be altering the file "association" so that it is processed by some antivirus stuff if you try to "run" it.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

[*] A platinum (?) still unstable: bugs, crashes, restarts

I think this is translated as "deck".
post #883 of 10269
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Apparently my firewall was somehow altering the download in such a way that the Oppo would not recognize it. Both the firewall and non-firewalll downloads were the same size and type (BIN file, not 'disc image file' btw) , but only the non-firewall download worked.
Just a heads up to others who may have the same problem, you may want to temporally turn off your firewall and try again.
Tom

Hmm. Did you try running a SHA-1 checksum on both to see if they were the same?
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The dedicated stereo outputs (both XLR and RCA) can either be configured to be a 2 channel downmix OR as front R/L to be used in conjunction with the rest of the multichannel outputs. That choice is made in the Setup menus. Even though they're still using just a pair of DAC channels, the rest of the DAC implementation is better on the stereo outputs.

When selecting FL/FR for the dedicated stereo out, is the bass management from the multichannel output applied to the dedicated stereo out as well? It is my understanding there is not bass management on the dedicated out.
post #885 of 10269
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The dedicated stereo outputs (both XLR and RCA) can either be configured to be a 2 channel downmix OR as front R/L to be used in conjunction with the rest of the multichannel outputs. That choice is made in the Setup menus. Even though they're still using just a pair of DAC channels, the rest of the DAC implementation is better on the stereo outputs.

When selecting FL/FR for the dedicated stereo out, is the bass management from the multichannel output applied to the dedicated stereo out as well? It is my understanding there is not bass management on the dedicated out.

When Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/ RIGHT is set the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs function just like the normal Left Front / Right Front outputs of the multi-channel set -- including responding to all the settings. So yes, bass management functions for them just as it would if you used the normal LF/RF outputs.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

I'm having trouble getting the new beta to download to my 105.
I think I know what the problem is but not sure how to fix it.
On the Oppo site it shows a picture of what the file on the thumb drive should display, and the file type should be 'disc image file' , but mine is 'BIN file'.
How do I convert it to a 'disc image file' ??
Tom
Things to remember with new firmware update process:
1- Your USB drive need to be formatted FAT or FAT32
2- Your downloaded file BDP10X.bin should be put as is in the root of the USB drive (no unzipping or converting).

If you want to double check your download, mine was 101,898,240 bytes and you can use 7zip 'Test archive' option to check if it is not corrupted, but do not unpack it.

3- I forgot to add that to update the firmware, I only had to plug-in the USB after the player was up and it recognized that there was a new update on it. I did not need to use setup / firmware update menu unless you want to re-upload the firmware.
Edited by tranle - 12/9/12 at 10:42am
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^ By the by, just in case you haven't noticed, the OPPO Digital Warranty on the BDP-105 (and BDP-103) is now a full 2 years! smile.gif
--Bob

Yes I had noticed that Bob. So nice to get more than just one year, if that!

 

And 3 years for the BDP-93EU and BDP-95EU models!

post #888 of 10269
Hmmm.... maybe I'm not supposed to try this: I connected both HDMI outs to two different ins on the P60GT50 so that in my leisure I could examine the difference in PQ between the two. However, this caused an issue with HDMI 1 ARC In. Whenever I selected HDMI 1 ARC In as the input (HDMI 1 Out is connected to HDMI 2 In of my set as it's the one with ARC capability) the player in short order switches back to Blu-ray as the input and does maintain the selected HDMI 1 ARC as the input device.

Bug? Glitch? Or is connecting both HDMI Outs to the same panel a user mistake?

Thanks,

Chris
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Hmm. Did you try running a SHA-1 checksum on both to see if they were the same?

HUH ??

They were in the same format and the same size, thats all I can say. Windows didn't let me open the file.
I used to be able to open the downloaded file to see the folders (or is it the folder to see the files) like it used to with downloads for the 80, 83, 93 firmware upgrades. In case you can't tell, I'm not a computer whiz. In fact I'm pretty much a computer moron, but I have been doing Oppo firmware upgrades for quite a few years without any problems.

In fact I have done 2 upgrades to my 105 using a thumbdrive w/o any problem, which made this all the more frustrating.

Tom
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HUH ??

Length of a file is a fairly weak test of corruption. SHA-1 value is a strong test.

Here is more information:

http://www.zen-cart.com/content.php?305-how-to-validate-the-integrity-of-a-downloaded-file-(md5-or-sha1-checksums)
http://download.cnet.com/MD5-SHA-1-Checksum-Utility/3000-2092_4-10911445.html
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841290
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1
post #891 of 10269
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

Length of a file is a fairly weak test of corruption. SHA-1 value is a strong test.
Here is more information:
http://www.zen-cart.com/content.php?305-how-to-validate-the-integrity-of-a-downloaded-file-(md5-or-sha1-checksums)
http://download.cnet.com/MD5-SHA-1-Checksum-Utility/3000-2092_4-10911445.html
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841290
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1

I would be more than happy to send you the 2 different files in a pm so that you can test them, but I'm satisfied I got it to work.

Tom
post #892 of 10269
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

When Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/ RIGHT is set the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs function just like the normal Left Front / Right Front outputs of the multi-channel set -- including responding to all the settings. So yes, bass management functions for them just as it would if you used the normal LF/RF outputs.
--Bob

Again, except for the USB DAC input. Bob, is this something we can expect to be fixed via firmware update at some point?
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When Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/ RIGHT is set the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs function just like the normal Left Front / Right Front outputs of the multi-channel set -- including responding to all the settings. So yes, bass management functions for them just as it would if you used the normal LF/RF outputs.
--Bob

Again, except for the USB DAC input. Bob, is this something we can expect to be fixed via firmware update at some point?

No. The USB DAC Input -- just like DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion for SACD playback -- bypasses the portion of the hardware that provides that processing. In both cases, the signal goes STRAIGHT to the DAC -- unprocessed.

By the way, my statement is correct as written -- although I can certainly see where the confusion lies. Bass management *DOES* work for the Dedicated Stereo outputs (configured as FRONT LEFT/RIGHT) just as it does for the normal LF/RF pair of the multi-channel set. I.e., where LF/RF would get Crossover processing, the same will also be true for the Stereo L/R outputs. Where LF/RF do *NOT* get Crossover processing, that also is true for the Stereo L/R outputs.
--Bob
post #894 of 10269
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

HUH ??
They were in the same format and the same size, thats all I can say. Windows didn't let me open the file.
I used to be able to open the downloaded file to see the folders (or is it the folder to see the files) like it used to with downloads for the 80, 83, 93 firmware upgrades. In case you can't tell, I'm not a computer whiz. In fact I'm pretty much a computer moron, but I have been doing Oppo firmware upgrades for quite a few years without any problems.
In fact I have done 2 upgrades to my 105 using a thumbdrive w/o any problem, which made this all the more frustrating.
Tom

There are two things that can fail. First, if the 105 does not even recognize it and does not try to download it then there is a problem with the file. Second, if the 105 tries to download it but there's an error at the end then there's a file corruption, this could be detected by a CRC check.
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There are two things that can fail. First, if the 105 does not even recognize it and does not try to download it then there is a problem with the file. Second, if the 105 tries to download it but there's an error at the end then there's a file corruption, this could be detected by a CRC check.

He was doing a USB install. The 105 was not doing the download.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

No. The USB DAC Input -- just like DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion for SACD playback -- bypasses the portion of the hardware that provides that processing. In both cases, the signal goes STRAIGHT to the DAC -- unprocessed.
By the way, my statement is correct as written -- although I can certainly see where the confusion lies. Bass management *DOES* work for the Dedicated Stereo outputs (configured as FRONT LEFT/RIGHT) just as it does for the normal LF/RF pair of the multi-channel set. I.e., where LF/RF would get Crossover processing, the same will also be true for the Stereo L/R outputs. Where LF/RF do *NOT* get Crossover processing, that also is true for the Stereo L/R outputs.
--Bob

Bob, please say it isn't so that stereo SACDs direct to analog do not get bass management, am I reading this right?
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Bob, please say it isn't so that stereo SACDs direct to analog do not get bass management, am I reading this right?

When the player is set for DSD output, there is no processing of any kind for any SACD. You must set the player to PCM output for SACD to get processing.
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Am I correct in thinking I can play a multichannel SACD down mixed to 2 channel analog?
post #899 of 10269
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

When the player is set for DSD output, there is no processing of any kind for any SACD. You must set the player to PCM output for SACD to get processing.

Ok, but not much of a point to get the benefits of SACD if you are going to output to PCM...
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

When the player is set for DSD output, there is no processing of any kind for any SACD. You must set the player to PCM output for SACD to get processing.

Ok, but not much of a point to get the benefits of SACD if you are going to output to PCM...

I disagree. You seem to think that using SACD Output PCM must mean a loss of quality. That's simply not the case.
--Bob
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