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post #9211 of 10069
^Is it safe to assume you are trying to use the analog output of the 105? Are you running it though an avr/pre-pro?
If the volume isn't working, that would mean that you are listening to the digital output and not the analog output.
If you are running through another device like an avr/pre-pro, be sure the input selection on that device is using your analog connections and not hdmi or spdif.
post #9212 of 10069
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

You can always go back to the Official Firmware, so give it a try.

What are the new features? Is it worth it?
post #9213 of 10069
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What are the new features? Is it worth it?
You quoted the changes yourself back on THIS POST wink.gif
post #9214 of 10069
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

^Is it safe to assume you are trying to use the analog output of the 105? Are you running it though an avr/pre-pro?
If the volume isn't working, that would mean that you are listening to the digital output and not the analog output.
If you are running through another device like an avr/pre-pro, be sure the input selection on that device is using your analog connections and not hdmi or spdif.

 

I'm using the dedicated stereo analog outs, connected directly to my amp.  No avr/pre-pro.  Still, the volume doesn't work, and the sound has become very shrill -- i.e. very harsh treble, almost no bass.

post #9215 of 10069
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Originally Posted by chriznatch View Post

I'm using the dedicated stereo analog outs, connected directly to my amp.  No avr/pre-pro.  Still, the volume doesn't work, and the sound has become very shrill -- i.e. very harsh treble, almost no bass.

I wouldn't say it's not associated with the external drive unless you have totally disconnected the drive and done a hard reset to the player (IE: pulling the plug for a minute and then plugging it back in).
You could try that... disconnect the drive, then do a hard reset, then power on the player and try Pandora again.
There could also be an issue of wifi if you are using wifi, or some kind of bad ethernet connection.
Most likely Oppo support will get back to you today with some more advice. I'm sure whatever the problem is it will be rectified one way or the other. They have fantastic customer support.
post #9216 of 10069
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post


I wouldn't say it's not associated with the external drive unless you have totally disconnected the drive and done a hard reset to the player (IE: pulling the plug for a minute and then plugging it back in).
You could try that... disconnect the drive, then do a hard reset, then power on the player and try Pandora again.
There could also be an issue of wifi if you are using wifi, or some kind of bad ethernet connection.
Most likely Oppo support will get back to you today with some more advice. I'm sure whatever the problem is it will be rectified one way or the other. They have fantastic customer support.

They do have fantastic customer support.  I just hope I don't have to send the thing in for repairs.  I now have my whole system connected through it, so it would be a mess if I had to part with it.

 

I tried a CD this morning, and I'm having the same problem.  Haven't tried a hard reset yet, though.  I've tried unplugging the Oppo then replugging it in, but I haven't left it unplugged for a minute.  Guess I'll try that now.  Thanks for the advice.

post #9217 of 10069
^ You could also try reflashing the latest firmware too with a usb drive. That does sometimes fix problems.
post #9218 of 10069
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

^ You could also try reflashing the latest firmware too with a usb drive. That does sometimes fix problems.

The hard reset didn't work.  As for firmware, I updated it yesterday after the problem first surfaced.  I was using the current firmware when the problem occurred, and then I updated to the new Beta version.  It didn't fix it.  I removed all the connections from my system to the Oppo, then reconnected.  Still didn't fix the problem.  I've tried changing the various settings, but nothing works.  The problem just appeared out of nowhere.  I was listening to the Oppo and it sounded great.  I powered down the system and took my dog for a walk.  I came back and powered up again, and it was really loud and shrill.  I had changed no settings in the meanwhile.  All of this makes me think it's a hardware issue, not a set-up issue.  But who really knows.

post #9219 of 10069
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Originally Posted by chriznatch View Post

The hard reset didn't work.  As for firmware, I updated it yesterday after the problem first surfaced.  I was using the current firmware when the problem occurred, and then I updated to the new Beta version.  It didn't fix it.  I removed all the connections from my system to the Oppo, then reconnected.  Still didn't fix the problem.  I've tried changing the various settings, but nothing works.  The problem just appeared out of nowhere.  I was listening to the Oppo and it sounded great.  I powered down the system and took my dog for a walk.  I came back and powered up again, and it was really loud and shrill.  I had changed no settings in the meanwhile.  All of this makes me think it's a hardware issue, not a set-up issue.  But who really knows.
I've been reading your recent posts..... Just for clarification, I have a few questions for you......The first thing that jumps out at me is when you say you have the Oppo volume set at zero and you still hear music. A volume of 0 on the Oppo "mutes" the analog outputs....no sound. So, if you're still hearing audio with a volume of 0, something is really wrong. Second, is there any rhyme or reason on the types of audio disks/files you play? Meaning, does your problem arise from any type of cd shiny disc or digital file, or is there no pattern with a specific type of disk/file type?
post #9220 of 10069
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post


I've been reading your recent posts..... Just for clarification, I have a few questions for you......The first thing that jumps out at me is when you say you have the Oppo volume set at zero and you still hear music. A volume of 0 on the Oppo "mutes" the analog outputs....no sound. So, if you're still hearing audio with a volume of 0, something is really wrong. Second, is there any rhyme or reason on the types of audio disks/files you play? Meaning, does your problem arise from any type of cd shiny disc or digital file, or is there no pattern with a specific type of disk/file type?

The volume is set to zero, but the music is loud.  I'm having the problem with every file type except for SACDs.  I've tried regular CD's, FLACs on two different external hard drives, and Pandora.  The volume and sound quality are messed up in exactly the same way on all of those file types.  Who knows why the SACD works but nothing else does.  All I can think of is that I tried the SACD right after I installed the Beta firmware.  Maybe for a brief moment the system righted itself, but as soon as I switched to another file type the problem reared its ugly head again.  I haven't tried an SACD since then, so maybe it will be messed up now too.

post #9221 of 10069
^ Do you have a set of headphones you can use to test something out? The 105 headphone output has its own volume control. I'm curious to see if you plug your headphones into your 105 while playing your digital audio, whether you're able to mute the volume with a value of 0. Remember, when you plug in your headphones, the 105 will mute its analog outputs.
post #9222 of 10069
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

^ Do you have a set of headphones you can use to test something out? The 105 headphone output has its own volume control. I'm curious to see if you plug your headphones into your 105 while playing your digital audio, whether you're able to mute the volume with a value of 0. Remember, when you plug in your headphones, the 105 will mute its analog outputs.

I have a really low-grade pair of headphones that I use with my iPod.  I'm guessing that the headphone jack will be too small for the jack on the Oppo.  But I'll check it out when I get home.  That's a good idea.

post #9223 of 10069
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Originally Posted by chriznatch View Post

I have a really low-grade pair of headphones that I use with my iPod.  I'm guessing that the headphone jack will be too small for the jack on the Oppo.  But I'll check it out when I get home.  That's a good idea.
You'll need to get a stereo 3.5 mm (1/8") female to 1/4" male adapter to attach to your headphone cable plug to make it compatible with the 105's headphone jack.
post #9224 of 10069
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

Beta fw is always stable with Oppo. It will usually run through a private beta sesion to weed out any bugs first,
and then it will run as public beta to see if anything else needs attention before they make it 'official fw'.
If you choose to use the beta fw and happen to find a rare bug, you can always revert back to the last official fw if needed.

couple problems I have found:

1: sometimes the vol +/- fails to work. have to reboot the player

2: netflix app behaves oddly; sometimes it'll just go back to a loading screen (multiple times in some cases) during playback of a video; other times it just locks hard

(note: clearing persistent storage seemed to have alleviated this, but hardly did enough testing to prove it)


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played hours and hours of SACD and DVD-A yesterday without issue

going to try the FLAC gapless playback this evening
Edited by frank_t - 2/18/14 at 11:30am
post #9225 of 10069
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post


You'll need to get a stereo 3.5 mm (1/8") female to 1/4" male adapter to attach to your headphone cable plug to make it compatible with the 105's headphone jack.

I figured out the problem.  Somehow I must have turned on my TV speakers for the first time in the four months that I've owned the TV.  I usually leave them off and listen through my surround system.  Turns out the Oppo was outputting sound to the TV through the HDMI cable and, at the same time, to my stereo speakers through the analog outs.  The TV apparently came from the dealer cranked to an extremely high volume, so the cheap tinny TV speakers were drowning out my other speakers.  And of course, as I turned the Oppo volume down, the TV volume did not decrease with it.  So the sound stayed loud but got worse and worse sounding as my stereo speakers went quieter and quieter.  When I got home from work today I tried muting the TV, and sure enough, I could hear the stereo speakers again.  When I turn the volume to zero, they go mute; and when I run them at normal volume I get the usual bass and sound.  So it's not really an issue with the Oppo (unless you consider it an issue that it outputs sound through both HDMI and analog outputs at the same time).  At least I know how to avoid the problem going forward.  Thanks all for the advice.

post #9226 of 10069
^ There's actually a few things to consider if you play a lot of sacd's or dsd audio. You can turn hdmi audio "off" on the 105. It's a setting in the "Audio Format" menu. If you decide to not turn off your tv or the hdmi audio "off" setting when you are playing sacd's or dsd audio files, the 105 will be converting the dsd stream to LPCM, 88.2 KHz, 24 bit audio instead of DSD-Direct-to-analog. That may be okay for you if you are doing any audio processing/crossover management on your 105, because those features are only functional when the 105 converts LPCM to analog.
post #9227 of 10069
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Originally Posted by chriznatch View Post

I figured out the problem.  Somehow I must have turned on my TV speakers for the first time in the four months that I've owned the TV.  I usually leave them off and listen through my surround system.  Turns out the Oppo was outputting sound to the TV through the HDMI cable and, at the same time, to my stereo speakers through the analog outs.  The TV apparently came from the dealer cranked to an extremely high volume, so the cheap tinny TV speakers were drowning out my other speakers.  And of course, as I turned the Oppo volume down, the TV volume did not decrease with it.  So the sound stayed loud but got worse and worse sounding as my stereo speakers went quieter and quieter.  When I got home from work today I tried muting the TV, and sure enough, I could hear the stereo speakers again.  When I turn the volume to zero, they go mute; and when I run them at normal volume I get the usual bass and sound.  So it's not really an issue with the Oppo (unless you consider it an issue that it outputs sound through both HDMI and analog outputs at the same time).  At least I know how to avoid the problem going forward.  Thanks all for the advice.

With only 1 HDMI cable connected, there is audio out of HDMI 1. Analog is always live. Like Dan said, you can go into the Setup Menu and turn off the HDMI audio.
post #9228 of 10069
^ For DSD, there's also a new setup option to force DSD (no conversion to PCM), which will mute the HDMI audio output if the device at the other end of the cable won't accept DSD. This will allow you to be sure that the analog outputs always get DSD, but still send all other audio over HDMI, if desired.
post #9229 of 10069
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

^ For DSD, there's also a new setup option to force DSD (no conversion to PCM), which will mute the HDMI audio output if the device at the other end of the cable won't accept DSD. This will allow you to be sure that the analog outputs always get DSD, but still send all other audio over HDMI, if desired.
Does that apply to the 103 for HDMI2 or is that for the 105 only?
post #9230 of 10069
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

^ For DSD, there's also a new setup option to force DSD (no conversion to PCM), which will mute the HDMI audio output if the device at the other end of the cable won't accept DSD. This will allow you to be sure that the analog outputs always get DSD, but still send all other audio over HDMI, if desired.
What's the advantage of forcing DSD? I thought others have written they should sound the same, outputting DSD vs. PCM via analog outs.
post #9231 of 10069
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

What's the advantage of forcing DSD? I thought others have written they should sound the same, outputting DSD vs. PCM via analog outs.
The advantage is "no" extra digital signal processing whatsoever...The original digital media is preserved to the dac before conversion to analog...Whether that makes a difference in the final "sound" of the music is subjective.
Edited by DanF8500 - 2/18/14 at 3:10pm
post #9232 of 10069
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Does that apply to the 103 for HDMI2 or is that for the 105 only?
It applies to the entire 10x series (103, 103D, 105, 105D).
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

What's the advantage of forcing DSD? I thought others have written they should sound the same, outputting DSD vs. PCM via analog outs.
There isn't necessarily a big (or even any) advantage. But the configuration option allows people to make the player work the way they want it to. It allows you to have a display (which obviously can't accept DSD) connected to one of the HDMI outputs, but still have DSD direct to the analog outputs with no conversion to PCM. The new choices are DSD (which forces DSD and mutes any outputs that can't handle it), PCM (which always converts DSD to PCM), or Auto (which will use DSD if possible, but convert to PCM if something connected to one of the HDMI outputs can't accept DSD).
post #9233 of 10069
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post


The advantage is "no" extra digital signal processing whatsoever...The original digital media is preserved to the dac before conversion to analog...Whether that makes a difference in the final "sound" of the music is subjective.

Sorta like shooting one's self in the foot.  There's no way that the conversion is worse than no sound.:D

post #9234 of 10069
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Sorta like shooting one's self in the foot.  There's no way that the conversion is worse than no sound.biggrin.gif
Exactly smile.gif
post #9235 of 10069
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

^ There's actually a few things to consider if you play a lot of sacd's or dsd audio. You can turn hdmi audio "off" on the 105. It's a setting in the "Audio Format" menu. If you decide to not turn off your tv or the hdmi audio "off" setting when you are playing sacd's or dsd audio files, the 105 will be converting the dsd stream to LPCM, 88.2 KHz, 24 bit audio instead of DSD-Direct-to-analog. That may be okay for you if you are doing any audio processing/crossover management on your 105, because those features are only functional when the 105 converts LPCM to analog.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post


With only 1 HDMI cable connected, there is audio out of HDMI 1. Analog is always live. Like Dan said, you can go into the Setup Menu and turn off the HDMI audio.

Cool.  I went ahead and turned off the HDMI audio, and everything is working well.  The Oppo is back to sounding good.  Thanks for the info -- I do occasionally play SACDs and DSD files, and I never would have guessed that the HDMI off or on setting would have affected the playback.  Good to know.

post #9236 of 10069
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View PostYou quoted the changes yourself back on THIS POST wink.gif

Right short term memory loss :(

post #9237 of 10069
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View PostWith only 1 HDMI cable connected, there is audio out of HDMI 1. Analog is always live. Like Dan said, you can go into the Setup Menu and turn off the HDMI audio.

I thought you could not and that the audio was always on!

post #9238 of 10069
^hmmm, the solution of turning hdmi audio to off could be a conundrum if you want to use analog audio, but then also use hdmi-2 to run a/v to a secondary setup that needs hdmi audio.
post #9239 of 10069
Just a general question about burn in-I've been noticing recently that SACD's in particular are sounding better on my Oppo- although the complication is my amp was new at the same time.

Also wondering if anyone heard anything unusual between listening to different formats over time-some sounding better than others etc.

Great machine I couldn't recommend it more highly for stereo playback in a pretty good system.
post #9240 of 10069
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I thought you could not and that the audio was always on!

You CAN blank the audio for HDMI. Setup Menu > Audio Format Setup > HDMI Audio > Off

Page 63 of the User Manual.

Analog Audio is always on.
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