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post #9241 of 10104
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

^hmmm, the solution of turning hdmi audio to off could be a conundrum if you want to use analog audio, but then also use hdmi-2 to run a/v to a secondary setup that needs hdmi audio.

You can. With Split A/V, HDMI 1 doesn't have audio, only video. HDMI 2 will have the audio. Then. you can swith the AVR to the Analog inputs and change to the HDMI input from the OPPO to play it.
Edited by Mongo171 - 2/19/14 at 8:37am
post #9242 of 10104
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

You CAN blank the audio for HDMI. Setup Menu > Audio Format Setup > HDMI Audio > Off

Page 63 of the User Manual.

Analog Audio is always on.

Can you block the video out of HDMi 2?
post #9243 of 10104
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Can you block the video out of HDMi 2?
There HAS to be a video signal of some sort for audio to be present over HDMI. IIRC, the only case where HDMI2 won't have any video is when playing 3D content when in Split A/V mode and HDMI2 is connected to a device that can't handle 3D. In that case, a blank video signal will be generated so the audio can still be sent.
post #9244 of 10104
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Release date: February 12, 2014.
Category: Latest Public Beta Test Release
Main Version: BDP10X-69-0124B
Loader Version: 6U1000 or 7B1300 (BDP-103), 7B1300 (BDP-105, BDP-105D, BDP-103D)
Sub Version: MCU103-05-0916 (BDP-103), MCU105-04-1113 (BDP-105), MCU13D-01-0618 (BDP-103D), MCU15D-01-0930 (BDP-105D), DB10X 131030 (BDP-103D, 105D)
Release Notes:


6. Added Gapless Playback support for FLAC files.

9. Added support for playing CUE files and DSD64 files (.DFF and .DSF) over DLNA. The DLNA server must support these formats as well. A new version of oShare DLNA server that provides these functions is available now, and can be downloaded here from SourceForge.net.

Just installed Beta 0124B and feel like I just purchased a new Oppo. The DSD files over Jriver to the oppo, sacd set to DSD, analog out to my ssp-800 are working perfectly in 2CH and 5.1CH. No more need to put DSD files on thumb drive or copy to external drive then carry downstairs. The gap less FLAC I need to mess with some more to understand the change and configure Jriver as I don't see difference yet.

What other multi-channel DAC's can handle DSD over Ethernet?

Oppo you are amazing !!!
post #9245 of 10104
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

The gap less FLAC I need to mess with some more to understand the change and configure Jriver as I don't see difference yet.
The gapless support is not there for DLNA yet - AFAIK
post #9246 of 10104
^ Correct, only for locally attached USB storage. Gapless also needs to be enabled via the Option button prior to starting playback.
post #9247 of 10104
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

^ Correct, only for locally attached USB storage. Gapless also needs to be enabled via the Option button prior to starting playback.

Didn't see the setup option for gapless, will have to look. If only for USB that's a good first step. Didn't ever think they would be able to add DSD over Ethernet and I am in heaven.
post #9248 of 10104
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

Didn't see the setup option for gapless, will have to look. If only for USB that's a good first step. Didn't ever think they would be able to add DSD over Ethernet and I am in heaven.
Push the "option" button on the Oppo remote after entering the directory on your usb drive where you want to play back your gapless audio. A popup menu will display at the bottom of your screen...select the gapless playback option. The new gapless playback feature is a little buggy right now...(read my post #9197). We'll have to wait til the next release to get a bug free version of gapless playback.

DSD over ethernet was available on the 105 before the latest beta was released. Actually, JRiver had to make a change to their mime-types for dsd audio files(dsf/dff), so the Oppo players could accept the stream from DLNA (push and pull). JRMC build 114 and later will support Oppo dsd via DLNA. The method of transmission is not true DoPE (Oppo doesn't support DoPE)....JRiver sends the original dsd audio file to the Oppo as is.
Edited by DanF8500 - 2/19/14 at 9:54pm
post #9249 of 10104
I am planning to connect the oppo 105 direct to my only pow rmb-1095 like this :
- 5 channels RCA out from 105 to 5 channels RCA input in my rmb-1095.
- 2 channel dedicate XLR from the oppo to 2 channels XLR input in my rmb-1095.

Is that setup ok for listening music and play movie ? And how about rom correction ? Do we have any option for it ? Any advice is greatly appreciated!
post #9250 of 10104
Once you are in analogue land, room correction gets pricey.
I use 3 Technics SH-8065 1/3 octave EQs (rca in and out) and DOD RTAs (1/3 octave) for display of resulting corrections.
Anything greater than 1/3 octave is only a fancy tone control.
The Technics were created for home audiophile use and are no longer made.
I got mine over a 2 year search on eBay at approx $500 each.
You absolutely need a Real Time Analyzer (RTA), you cannot make room corrections by ear only.
The current crop of 1/3 Octave EQs are either Digital or all XLR line level (could use for your stereo only output)
Edited by Links - 2/20/14 at 2:41am
post #9251 of 10104
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Originally Posted by justbenice View Post

I am planning to connect the oppo 105 direct to my only pow rmb-1095 like this :
- 5 channels RCA out from 105 to 5 channels RCA input in my rmb-1095.
- 2 channel dedicate XLR from the oppo to 2 channels XLR input in my rmb-1095.

Is that setup ok for listening music and play movie ? And how about rom correction ? Do we have any option for it ? Any advice is greatly appreciated!

There is no room correction software or EQ in the player for analog audio, but it does have distance settings for each speaker, channel trims for each speaker,
downmix options and crossover setting for subwoofer. It's usually best to use room treatments like acoustics panels a such to help EQ the room for analog audio.
Digitizing it by means of software will usually degrade the quality of sound.
post #9252 of 10104
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

There is no room correction software or EQ in the player for analog audio, but it does have distance settings for each speaker, channel trims for each speaker,
downmix options and crossover setting for subwoofer.
It's usually best to use room treatments like acoustics panels a such to help EQ the room for analog audio.
Digitizing it by means of software will usually degrade the quality of sound.
If the original poster wished to use direct DSD to anlogue in the Oppo, then those speaker settings will not work
Those are DSP options and using them will force the Oppo to PCM mode internally before analogue output.
post #9253 of 10104
Thank you guys! How about the way i connect my oppo to my power amply :
- 5 channels RCA out from 105 to 5 channels RCA input in my rmb-1095.
- 2 channel dedicate XLR from the oppo to 2 channels XLR input in my rmb-1095.

is it ok ? And when the 2 XLR connection will be use ?
post #9254 of 10104
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Originally Posted by justbenice View Post

Thank you guys! How about the way i connect my oppo to my power amply :
- 5 channels RCA out from 105 to 5 channels RCA input in my rmb-1095.
- 2 channel dedicate XLR from the oppo to 2 channels XLR input in my rmb-1095.

is it ok ? And when the 2 XLR connection will be use ?

No bueno. All of the analog outputs are live.
post #9255 of 10104
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

No bueno. All of the analog outputs are live.
Thank you, in that case, how my power amply work when both of XLR and RCA connection are connected ?
post #9256 of 10104
Hi. I started asked a few oppo 105 question here and got great response and thank you. I tried to buy a used 3/5 channels power amp to hook up the oppo for ss and its quite rare to find a used one under $500 and got outbid a couple of times on ebay for rotel 5channel amp. But there are plenty of avr under my budget.
My question is. Is there any budget avr that can be used as multi channel power amp, meaning analogs in and only use the power amp section to drive the speakers, bypassing all the DSP and volume control, I want to use oppo 105 as preamp and I believe oppo have better as processing power then budget avr. I look up some avr specs from pioneer and yamaha , some model have a direct button and Yamaha have a straight/effect button. Can anyone tell me what those buttons are. Sorry to mention I'm in Australia and the choice are limited for multi channel power amp.
Thank you.
Edited by jaydee2008 - 2/20/14 at 5:41am
post #9257 of 10104
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Originally Posted by justbenice View Post

Thank you, in that case, how my power amply work when both of XLR and RCA connection are connected ?

The only way you will be able to select between RCA and XLR inputs to the amp is if there is a switch so you can select the input. Not sure many amps have this feature. It usually belongs to a preamp.
post #9258 of 10104
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

The only way you will be able to select between RCA and XLR inputs to the amp is if there is a switch so you can select the input. Not sure many amps have this feature. It usually belongs to a preamp.
My amp don't have that switch, so i i only can connect 3 RCA channel from oppo to amp and 2 XLR channel from oppo to amp , is it right ?
post #9259 of 10104
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Originally Posted by justbenice View Post

Thank you guys! How about the way i connect my oppo to my power amply :
- 5 channels RCA out from 105 to 5 channels RCA input in my rmb-1095.
- 2 channel dedicate XLR from the oppo to 2 channels XLR input in my rmb-1095.

is it ok ? And when the 2 XLR connection will be use ?

There are 2 separate decoding chips and circuits in then 105.
One is for the multi channel RCA outputs, the other for the Stereo only
XLR and RCA outputs.
All the audio outputs are active all the time.
When listening with stereo speakers only, there mat be a slight sonic advantage to using the dedicated
stereo outs rather than using the l/r outs from the multi channel set.
The XLR outs are a balanced signal which is 6 db higher than the unbalanced RCA outs.
The sound quality is the same otherwise.
Unless you are using very long cable runs the XLR outs are not better quality than the RCA ones.
The balanced XLR signal when used with the proper cable and receiving circuit will be far less prone
to picking up interference..How long is long..I would say over 12 feet.
High quality RCA cable will be well enough shielded for short runs.

The dedicated stereo outputs (RCA and XLR) are by default a mix down of all channels.
You can change this in your settings so that these become l/r outputs and
then you use this pair with the other channel outs for listening in Multi Channel.
When doing this, use the RCA outs only or your front channels will be
louder by 6 db than the others.
See your manual.
Edited by Links - 2/20/14 at 5:53am
post #9260 of 10104
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Originally Posted by jaydee2008 View Post

Hi. I started asked a few oppo 105 question here and got great response and thank you. I tried to buy a used 3/5 channels power amp to hook up the oppo for ss and its quite rare to find a used one under $500 and got outbid a couple of times on ebay for rotel 5channel amp. But there are plenty of avr under my budget.
My question is. Is there any budget avr that can be used as multi channel power amp, meaning analogs in and only use the power amp section to drive the speakers, bypassing all the DSP and volume control, I want to use oppo 105 as preamp and I believe oppo have better as processing power then budget avr. I look up some avr specs from pioneer and yamaha , some model have a direct button and Yamaha have a straight/effect button. Can anyone tell me what those buttons are. Sorry to mention I'm in Australia and the choice are limited for multi channel power amp.
Thank you.
I own a Yamaha HTR-6063 (model number will be different for you).
When you select the multi channel inputs all DSP processing is turned off.
This maintains the analogue purity of the signal from your OPPO.
You cannot use any equalizer or speaker setup beyond speaker levels.
So in effect you have a power amp with volume controls.
There is in addition a button on the remote to choose marked "Pure Direct"
"Switches to Pure Direct mode for faithful reproduction of audio."
I believe it turns off the onscreen video display circuit.
post #9261 of 10104
Thank you. That is how I understand it from Yamaha user manual. Older models have "straight/effect" button, current models have a button labelled "Straight" which I think is routing the analogs inputs straight to the speaker terminals via the volume control. For the pioneer avr there also a button labelled "Direct" but the manual failed to explain what it does.
If any of these avr can be used as power amp function then I'm glad. Because power amp is over the top for me to drive the 2 rear and a center speaker with a room of 3x4m.
I will be buying a bottom End Yamaha model with this function. Cheers
post #9262 of 10104
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Originally Posted by jaydee2008 View Post

Thank you. That is how I understand it from Yamaha user manual. Older models have "straight/effect" button, current models have a button labelled "Straight" which I think is routing the analogs inputs straight to the speaker terminals via the volume control. For the pioneer avr there also a button labelled "Direct" but the manual failed to explain what it does.
If any of these avr can be used as power amp function then I'm glad. Because power amp is over the top for me to drive the 2 rear and a center speaker with a room of 3x4m.
I will be buying a bottom End Yamaha model with this function. Cheers
If you can't bypass your AVR's volume control, you will be passing your 105's analog signal thru your avr's preamp section, which can result in a less pristine sound profile. Most 105 owners who have commented on this forum have noticed and preferred using the 105 as the "only" preamp direct to a power amp for the best, uncolored sound. If you can't afford a multi-channel power amp, then I guess you don't have a choice. Most low-mid priced avr's won't have a true "bypass", allowing you to put its preamp into unity gain mode, which will send a line level analog signal direct to its power amp stage.
Edited by DanF8500 - 2/20/14 at 8:19am
post #9263 of 10104

I have just got my 105D yesterday.

 

I an testing it on my HDVD800 with the DAC section of this player using my T1 and HD800 both balanced. If it is actually good, I will get rid off my old Benchmark and replace my source with the oppo. Otherwise, I will just use it as a media server and leave the DAC and AMP untouched.

 

So far, the DAC on the player is very impressive. It sounds much better than the stock HDVD800 one for sure. The sound stage is very satisfying and the resolution is up to my DAC1 level.

Since it is new, so I do need to break it in a little bit more and see if anything changes.

 

For the headphone amp, I think it is pretty good for its price. I do not need it, but they come bundle with the USB DAC input (which I need for sure), so I choose 105 over 95.  I manage to just use 65 on my volume setting for both T1 and HD800s.( But you do need to set your audio setting correctly to stereo only. )  The sound is definitely better than some of the sub $300 dollar amp I have heard, but nothing really stands out. I still think you need a proper balanced amp to release the full potential of the saber DAC. I found the sound carries wider sound stage on my HDVD800 compare to the stock amp on the player. There is also something there that make the sound less realistic for the stock amp.

 

P.S.

I try to stream music on my PC. It seems that only mp3 and wav can be detected.

I am already on the 68 beta, anyone know how to solve it?

 

Thanks

post #9264 of 10104
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Originally Posted by justbenice View Post

Thank you guys! How about the way i connect my oppo to my power amply :
- 5 channels RCA out from 105 to 5 channels RCA input in my rmb-1095.
- 2 channel dedicate XLR from the oppo to 2 channels XLR input in my rmb-1095.

is it ok ? And when the 2 XLR connection will be use ?
I've read that your amp is not a true balanced design, so you won't be receiving any "noise canceling" benefits by using its balanced(xlr) inputs. A popular, multi-channel/2-channel configuration on the 105 would be to use the 105's dedicated stereo rca outputs, along with the center and surround rca outputs from the multi-ch section. I've also heard a few 105 owners say they just bypass the 105's 2-channel section, and use only the multi-ch outputs to their amp. You can choose either connection method, but you should probably use all unbalanced rca's with your amp.
post #9265 of 10104
This is my first ss and I heard that ss effect does not need to be powerful and of high quality. My experience in the cinema is that most of the audio is at the front and the rear ss audio generally of lower SPL, I could be wrong.
Thank you for the advice.
post #9266 of 10104
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Originally Posted by Links View Post

I own a Yamaha HTR-6063 (model number will be different for you).
When you select the multi channel inputs all DSP processing is turned off.
This maintains the analogue purity of the signal from your OPPO.
You cannot use any equalizer or speaker setup beyond speaker levels.
So in effect you have a power amp with volume controls.
There is in addition a button on the remote to choose marked "Pure Direct"
"Switches to Pure Direct mode for faithful reproduction of audio."
I believe it turns off the onscreen video display circuit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

If you can't bypass your AVR's volume control, you will be passing your 105's analog signal thru your avr's preamp section, which can result in a less pristine sound profile. Most 105 owners who have commented on this forum have noticed and preferred using the 105 as the "only" preamp direct to a power amp for the best, uncolored sound. If you can't afford a multi-channel power amp, then I guess you don't have a choice. Most low-mid priced avr's won't have a true "bypass", allowing you to put its amp into unity gain mode, which will send a line level analog signal direct to its power amp stage.
post #9267 of 10104
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

If you can't bypass your AVR's volume control, you will be passing your 105's analog signal thru your avr's preamp section, which can result in a less pristine sound profile. Most 105 owners who have commented on this forum have noticed and preferred using the 105 as the "only" preamp direct to a power amp for the best, uncolored sound. If you can't afford a multi-channel power amp, then I guess you don't have a choice. Most low-mid priced avr's won't have a true "bypass", allowing you to put its amp into unity gain mode, which will send a line level analog signal direct to its power amp stage.

Yes, and the AVR would be pretty useless to other people without the OPPO being the "preamp".
post #9268 of 10104
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Originally Posted by jaydee2008 View Post

This is my first ss and I heard that ss effect does not need to be powerful and of high quality. My experience in the cinema is that most of the audio is at the front and the rear ss audio generally of lower SPL, I could be wrong.
Thank you for the advice.
It varies. Some movies have soundtrack music in the rear channels and speaker quality and level can make a big difference.

You should use a calibration disc (or the Oppo's built-in test tones) and a sound level meter to get the sound level the same in all speakers. Also, if you are dealing with multi-channel music via SACD, DVD-A or hi-res downloads then you want the center and surrounds to be every bit as good as the front left and right. The ideal is all speakers identical, though this is not practical from a monetary or esthetic perspective for most folks. Your speakers at least need to be timbre matched.
post #9269 of 10104
Thread Starter 
Release date: February 20, 2014.
Category: Latest Official Release
Main Version: BDP10X-70-0218
Loader Version: 6U1000 or 7B1300 (BDP-103), 7B1300 (BDP-105, BDP-105D, BDP-103D)
Sub Version: MCU103-05-0916 (BDP-103), MCU105-04-1113 (BDP-105), MCU13D-01-0618 (BDP-103D), MCU15D-01-0930 (BDP-105D), DB10X 131030 (BDP-103D, 105D)
Release Notes:

Special Notice:

1. Once this firmware version is installed on the player, you will not be able to revert back to any previous official or public beta firmware. There will be no problem upgrading to any future official or beta firmware release.
2. Due to the extensive changes in this major firmware update, it is required that the user performs a "Reset Factory Defaults" operation after the firmware is installed. Please write down your special settings before doing this, and remember to re-apply your settings and adjust the proper volume level (if applicable) before you play any content. You may experience stability issues if this step is not performed.

Comparing to the previous Official release version BDP10X-67-1204, the major changes included in this version are:

1. Improved Gapless Playback performance and added Gapless Playback support for FLAC files.
2. Resolved several issues involving Gapless Player, such as the track title not getting refreshed in the Now Playing interface, and the player becoming unresponsive when trying to access a disc in the tray without stopping the currently ongoing Gapless Playback.
3. Resolved an issue with Gapless Playback with several customer-encoded WAV files. It was caused by an additional “List” information segment presented in the WAV file Header, and we have added support for this segment so that Gapless Playback now functions properly with these files.
4. Improved HDMI handshake performance for the HDMI input ports.
5. Resolved a compatibility issue with the available HDMI 2.0 input port on some Panasonic 4K TV, for example, the #4 HDMI port on TV model TC-L65WT600. This port contains additional Extended Display Identification Data (VSDB) blocks which caused our player to switch to DVI output mode and discard the audio packages, so there was no sound from the TV speakers. We added the support of the specific VSDB blocks and resolved the no sound issue.
6. Resolved a compatibility issue between BDP-103/105's HDMI 1 Output to the McIntosh MX150/151 AV Processors. Users reported no audio when using this combination, so we added special instructions for these A/V processors in the HDMI handshake process. We highly recommend that you contact McIntosh Technical Support to upgrade your MX150/151 firmware to the latest version.
7. Resolved the Wi-Fi connection failure with access points or routers using WEP security. This error was introduced by 67-1204 firmware and this version corrects it.
8. Resolved an audio truncation issue occurring with several DVD-Audio discs. Customers reported that the first note or two was cut off between track changes, and when the PREV button was used to restart the current track. Sample discs included "Queen: A Night At The Opera", "Buena Vista Social Club", "Beatles: Love" and "R.E.M.: New Adventures in Hi-Fi". This error was introduced by 67-1204 firmware and this version corrects it.
9. Resolved the playback failure with certain customer-encoded audio files in WAV, FLAC and AIFF formats. Symptoms included files being skipped, files being played with static noise, and files causing the player to freeze. The 67-1204 firmware adds more support to meta data tags in these files but encounters this problem if the meta data tags are in non-standard location. This version further improves the support for meta data tags and corrects the problem.
10. Resolved an audio dropout issue occurring with "Monsters University (BD, 2013)", related to its Dolby TrueHD 5.1 and 7.1 audio tracks when the player's HDMI Audio Format was set to Bitstream. We worked with Dolby and our decoder chip maker to address this type of audio dropouts.
11. Resolved an issue where a brief static noise could be heard when streaming music from a computer running Mac OS X to the BDP-105's USB DAC input. It could happen when the music stream was paused for a few seconds and then resumed, and it could be heard through the analog audio outputs, including the 7.1, Stereo, and Headphone outputs. We improved the audio muting logic and have eliminated this static noise.
12. Resolved an issue where a brief static noise could be heard when playing SACD discs in DSD mode on the BDP-105. This burst of noise was audible at the beginning of a track or when switching to the next track. It could be heard through the analog audio outputs, including the 7.1 and Stereo ports. We improved the audio muting logic and have eliminated this static noise.
13. Added 24 Hz support for customer-encoded video files in 480P24 and 720P24 formats. The original frame rate can be preserved when upscaling the content to 1080p, e.g., when Resolution is set to 1080P, the 720P23.976 content is output as 1080P23.976, and 720P24 is output as 1080P24. Previously, these formats were frame-rate converted to 60 Hz.
14. Added an "INSTANT REPLAY" function to video playback. If the customer presses the AB REPLAY button twice (two presses within 1 second), video playback will be automatically rewound 10 seconds.
15. Added support for playing CUE files and DSD64 files (.DFF and .DSF) over DLNA. The DLNA server must support these formats as well. A new version of oShare DLNA server that provides these functions is available now, and can be downloaded here from SourceForge.net.
16. Resolved a HDMI handshake failure when the OPPO's HDMI Output is connected to an A/V receiver, while the same receiver's HDMI output is fed back to the OPPO's HDMI input. We added special handling for this kind of "loop" connection and resolved the handshake failure. However, We highly recommend that you should not use this "loop chain" connection since it might cause unexpected HDMI handshake/CEC result, even cause electrical damage.
17. Added the indications on the front panel and the TV screen for DSD file (.dsf, .dff) playback. If DSD stream is output through HDMI, the "SACD" icon on the front panel will be lit and the TV screen shows “Track Type” as "DSD". If PCM stream is output, then both "SACD" and "PCM" icons on the front panel will be lit, and the TV screen shows “Track Type” as "DSD to PCM". In this way, the customer could know if DSD-to-PCM conversion is happening in the player.
18. General disc compatibility improvements based on recent and upcoming Blu-ray releases as well as user-submitted disc samples.
post #9270 of 10104
Gapless playback for FLAC on attached storage is still screwed up. frown.gif

I thought it was a bit premature for Oppo to make an Official release so soon after a Beta release. You'd think they would want to make sure all issues/bugs associated with the previous beta were resolved before releasing the next Official build....guess we'll have to wait now til the next beta to get a resolution....mad.gif
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