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post #31 of 79
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Insignia at Best Buy is pretty good and is where I draw the line.

Isn't Insignia an off-brand of LG and Emerson an off-brand of RCA? Seem to have read that somewhere in my travels.
post #32 of 79
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

Isn't Insignia an off-brand of LG and Emerson an off-brand of RCA? Seem to have read that somewhere in my travels.
I was thinking Insignia was an off-brand of Samsung. I may very well be wrong, however. One of my adult sons has an Insignia in his bedroom at his house and seems to be satisfied with it. He's never said anything negative other than he likes the PQ on my Samsungs better.
post #33 of 79
Here is my fairly well informed but still speculative guesses at best on these cheaper brands.

I think Emerson is also a Funai owned brand name, like Sanyo. However Emerson doesnt make large sets, and really only the Sanyo larger sets 42" to 55" are using name brand quality panels from LG S-IPS in 42" and 47" and Ive also seen 46" and 52" Samsung S-PVA panels. So smaller Sanyo and Emerson are to be avoided IMO. Larger Sanyo's have had issues with bad HDMI ports and such.

I dont know who puts Insignia's together, but the vast majority of the larger Insignia's were using LG S-IPS panels until this year, where they are nearly all using AU Optronics MVA 3rd Gen panels which are Vertical Array and behave and have similar charateristics to Samsung's S-PVA panels. This is very good, because these cheaper sets tend to go with the native blacks of the panels without much filtering combined with video processing to work the blacks down. This past years Insignia LCD's over 40" are worthy IMO. They are also designed to service the North American market so that there arent any quirks like TCL has.

TCL seems to be sets that are designed for other markets and haphazardly changed to deal with the North American electric and video standards. The panels are good but the execution of the ports in particular is lacking.

Now TCL manufacturers RCA, but these are designed for the North American market and so there are no quirks. There larger sets are decent, but still spotty on reliability like Sanyo. I favor Sanyo over RCA. I favor Insignia over both.

If I was to guess, Insignia is produced by either LG or Funai, or even Vizio's AmTran. But maybe the Best Buy contracts changed this past year. Could be or not, just speculation. No clue on this one really. Insignia did put out a 32" LG made Plasma panel set the same year that Vizio did....and they were the only 2 to do so.

Im a low end kind of A/V enthusiast. :[
Edited by EscapeVelocity - 11/18/12 at 11:12am
post #34 of 79
As an aside...

I think I am going to try to get myself a 42" or 47" Vizio XVT**3SV or XVT3D**4SV. After looking about. Wish I would have picked one up last year.
post #35 of 79
Thread Starter 
Escape,

I, too, was looking at the Vizio line especially the 40", the Model#E401i-A2. However, though it's listed on their website, I can't find any reviews on it. My thinking is its the same model series in the highly rated 32" so I would the quality would be the same....but have doubts. Plus it's $200 cheaper than the Samsung 40" that I'm looking at. But I'm leaning to buy the Samsung since the customer review.
post #36 of 79
I havent seen the E400i A2 anywhere at a retailer either.

Im not pushing you to get the Vizio. I was looking closely at the E420VSE, but I think I will hunt down a refurb or used Full Array Local Dimming Vizio from the last 2 years, for myself, in the final analysis.

You should look into the 40" Samsung 40EH5300, you might be able to save a few bucks and still stay with the Samsung build and picture quality.....instead of the 6*** series.
post #37 of 79
A thin bezel (all screen) 40" set is probably the best for your bedroom purposes.


BTW, I agree with Otto. Off board WiFi Internet solutions are the way to go, unless you absolutely have to have it all in the TV. Blu Ray players with Internet Apps and WiFi, Roku, AppleTV, Boxee Box, and so on and so forth.
post #38 of 79
Thread Starter 
You know I meant to respond to Otto's advice but forgot. Getting a blu ray player with Wifi and internet apps never crossed my mind. But it does make sense. However, I would think it's weird getting a blu ray player for the wifi option. I guess I'll research that option. Thanks again.
post #39 of 79
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Originally Posted by Schwacker View Post

You know I meant to respond to Otto's advice but forgot. Getting a blu ray player with Wifi and internet apps never crossed my mind. But it does make sense. However, I would think it's weird getting a blu ray player for the wifi option. I guess I'll research that option. Thanks again.
I have a Sony "Smart" TV with internet apps with a regular (non-wifi) Blu-ray attached and a Samsung "Dumb" TV with a Sony Blu-ray (wi-fi) attached with all of the apps. The Sony Blu-ray seems more responsive for "stuff like that" than the Sony TV does. So, bottom line, I agree with Otto in this case (as I often do). smile.gif
post #40 of 79
The main reason why that is a better solution is that it is easy and cheaper to upgrade hardware to keep up with the times, on an offboard device. You just replace the device. With the hardware inside the TV, that is what is is and ever shall be.

So you can get a dumb TV like the Samsung 40EH5000 or a Vizio E420VSE as 2 examples, and then you have your pick of Blu Ray Player from any manufacturer, and you can target what apps they have that you may want amongst the various brands. And if in a few years, the apps become a dinosaur you can upgrade the media player at lessor cost than having to purchase a whole new TV. Of course you can just get a media player and hook it up to your Smart TV, but why pay for that extra in the first place.
Edited by EscapeVelocity - 11/18/12 at 1:40pm
post #41 of 79
Thread Starter 
Thanks Escape for the suggestion. I checked on the samsung 40eh5000 and then on the highly rated Panasonic blu ray player which is $99 on Amazon. Combined is little less that the Smart TV I was looking at. I'm pretty stoked about this configuration.
post #42 of 79
I have a Panasonic BDT-210 (2010 model) blu-ray player which has built-in WiFi and all the current a/v formats. An excellent player which you could probably get for $100 or less (if you can find them). Last year's model was the 220 and from what I've read is just as solid of a performer as the 210.

Back to Insignia, the only reason I think it is an LG off-brand is way back at the digital conversion when the various STB digital converters were being offered, I picked up a couple of Insignia's with the coupon plan and took one apart cause I was curious biggrin.gif It had identifiable LG components which I was hoping for. The reason being is that I had an LG STB (LST-4200A) for my HDTV-ready Sony CRT which worked exceptionally well for OTA television. That was one of the reasons why I went for an LG LCD when I finally got hip and purchased a flat panel wink.gif OTA for us is still dead-on-balls perfect. Anyway, long boring story short, someone said the Insignia's were LG ATSC tuners so that's why I bought a couple for back bedroom/garage analog tv's (and one to "play" with). The haven't disappointed and are still working as well as the full HDTV STB that I had for a few years.

And, to be fair to Vizio, as I have said before, there are lots of folks who have been very satisfied with their Vizio purchases over the years so not everything they make is poor quality all of the time.
post #43 of 79
Vizio wouldnt continue to be a top selling LCD HDTV brand if they had a bad reputation on reliability. There reliability numbers as reported by Consumer reports are in line with the big boys.

Just read this...
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Vizio is good with reliability going by close friends and family and the two I have purchased in the past couple years. About 10 sets I know of first hand with daily use and no problems.

Adding our third tonight if lucky at the sam's club invitation, the E60. Will be 3 Vizios in the house.
post #44 of 79
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Vizio wouldnt continue to be a top selling LCD HDTV brand if they had a bad reputation on reliability. There reliability numbers as reported by Consumer reports are in line with the big boys.

Aggressive marketing (cheaper prices) certainly add to that top selling LCD HDTV title. I agree, ALL tv mfrs have quality/support issues, even the Pioneer Kuros. I do believe that Vizio is starting to step up the build issues on their top-of-the-line sets but....... BTW, Escape Velocity was one of my all time favorite games many years ago! Seeing your name always makes me smile for the good old days when things were so much simpler smile.gif
post #45 of 79
Thread Starter 
Question -- I see a difference between the Samsung un40eh5000 & un40eh6000 is the refresher rate. In the 5000, it's 60 while the 6000 is 120. So logical thinking is that I should go with the 120 rate, right?
post #46 of 79
Samsung 40EH5000 vs 40EH6000 at Television Info.
post #47 of 79
I hate to throw another monkey wrench in your deliberations but look up Panel Lottery, which Samsung's smaller sets are afflicted with. The EH6000 thread will clue you in. There is also the Samsung CMR Number Determining Panel Type thread.

At least with the Vizio E420VSE, you know what your getting!

In the end, you just gotta make a leap and trust your eyes. Many sets will be good enough. There is no perfect TV.

Good Luck!
Edited by EscapeVelocity - 11/19/12 at 10:23am
post #48 of 79
Thread Starter 
Ha, too funny. I was actually on that site prior to my post. I was confused on the refresh rate and if it really makes a difference. What's weird on the site, as it's pointed out in the comments, is that the reviewer says the 5000 is actually better than the 6000 but he gives the 5000 a score of 6.6 and the 6000 a 7.

Now I just saw that Sears is going to have a Sony 40" on sale for Black Friday. That particular Sony TV has good reviews as well.

Thanks for the comparison link!
post #49 of 79
Thread Starter 
Escape,

I think you enjoy throwing monkey wrenches at me. Just when I have that Samsung queued up in my Amazon cart....you throw out the "panel lottery". Wow. I found some information, like you said, on this subject and it appears the eh5000 is mixed in with the lottery. Ugh. I guess i need to do more homework.

Thanks for raining on my parade.

Just kidding.
post #50 of 79
Sony's smaller sets have the Panel lottery issue too. My brother bought a Sony 40EX400 last year and that model had 2 panels, the Samsung/Sony S-PVA and the AU Optronics MVA3. He got the MVA3. I learned a lot about the MVA3 panel from that purchase. It's a good panel, but he and I were expecting the S-PVA. He kept it.
post #51 of 79
Also, 120 Hz is desireable for more accurate cadence reasons. I also like Frame Interpolation, which is only found on 120Hz and higher sets, which some people dont, but it is useful for sports even if you dont like it on film.

Having said that, the judder is much more noticeable on larger screens, less so on smaller screen sizes....so...


As I said, there is no perfect TV. Good blacks however are priceless.

Good Luck!
post #52 of 79
Thread Starter 
I see. Well it's rated as "Good" so I guess he was somewhat lucky. At least he didn't get the SMVA....
post #53 of 79
I think putting different panels on the same model (and even the same size within model #) TVs is really bad policy.
post #54 of 79
Thread Starter 
all,

Any thoughts/feedback on the Sony Bravia KDL-42EX440? I saw on the internet, I see that some manufacturers are lowering prices today in response for Black Friday. One of the models that I found that was "reduced" (if it truly was....) is Sony Bravia KDL-42EX440. Though at 42" may be a tad too much, if it's a better TV than the Samsung I was looking at 40". They both have 2 HDMI which isn't that great and the Sony is $100 more than the models I was researching.
post #55 of 79
HH Gregg started on Sunday with Black Friday pricing.
post #56 of 79
Id stick with the Samsung EH5000 over that Sony EX440....for multiple reasons.
Edited by EscapeVelocity - 11/19/12 at 8:32pm
post #57 of 79
Thread Starter 
Interesting. Even though the Sony model doesn't have to deal with the panel lottery?
post #58 of 79
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

HH Gregg started on Sunday with Black Friday pricing.
The one that caught my eye was the Samsung UN40ES6100 Smart TV for $697.99, normally $999.00. My son has one that he's had for about three months and loves it

Schwacker, like all "newbies" you are over analyzing this purchase waaaaaay too much. I think we've all done it in our search for the perfect TV (for our budget), but as I always say, "It's just a frickin' TV." Just use the info you have, quit stressing, buy one, and enjoy (I know, easier said than done). Good luck to you..
Edited by BoilerJim - 11/20/12 at 5:55am
post #59 of 79
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Originally Posted by Schwacker View Post

Interesting. Even though the Sony model doesn't have to deal with the panel lottery?

My speculation is that this Sony 42EX440 is using a Red Chinese Chei Lin panel. I have concerns about this panel based on it's operational and structural characteristics, with regards to black level, but I havent seen any testing that confirms my speculative deductions.
post #60 of 79
Thread Starter 
BoilerJim,

Ha!! You think?? Yes. I know I'm analyzing WAY too much but after reading your comments, I had to laugh. You're right. I'm guilty. It is, after all, a freakin' tv!

Happy Black Friday...
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