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post #151 of 1194
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Originally Posted by avsforumsdsd View Post

Trying out some music today with the PB-1000. Good for finding all the loosely attached things throughout the front of the house. May need to consider taping certain things down.

it shouldnt be like that lol, the bass should be tight , not shaking things in your house.. my pb12 doesn't do so i find it hard to believe your pb1000 is shaking things up as much as u say... how far do u have the gain on the subwoofer up? and the volume for the subwoofer on the reciever?
post #152 of 1194
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Originally Posted by avsforumsdsd View Post

Trying out some music today with the PB-1000. Good for finding all the loosely attached things throughout the front of the house. May need to consider taping certain things down.

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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

it shouldnt be like that lol, the bass should be tight , not shaking things in your house.. my pb12 doesn't do so i find it hard to believe your pb1000 is shaking things up as much as u say... how far do u have the gain on the subwoofer up? and the volume for the subwoofer on the reciever?


I wouldn't go so far as to say don't believe someone but I find these things hard to believe unless they are just dialing up the sub's gain way too far and overpowering the other speakers. I own a 15H and it doesn't shake my pictures off the wall. Then again I only do movies at about 60% volume with the gain at about 9 o'clock on the sub and +1 on the avr.

You and I own a couple of the better subs out there and they don't do what some claim their subs do. Hmmmm, maybe I need a new sub if it should be knocking my pictures from the walls and cracking my drywall. My house is pretty solid though. wink.gif
post #153 of 1194
Some music contains enormous quantities of bass. Tight bass can easily shake things loose; all it requires is high SPL, and a room full of objects with loose mountings.
post #154 of 1194
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Originally Posted by SaviorMachine View Post

Some music contains enormous quantities of bass. Tight bass can easily shake things loose; all it requires is high SPL, and a room full of objects with loose mountings.


If i played one of those bass songs as high as I could and cranked my gain past half and then had a room full of small figurines on shelves as if it were my grandmother's house....maybe. As I mentioned before, I don't play music to hear just how loud I can make it.

I guess I have to take into account that many here don't have a dedicated theater room so their subs come into more contact with their regular living space. My 15H in my livingroom would not be pretty....lol.
Edited by Prime316 - 12/25/12 at 7:30am
post #155 of 1194
Or, you know, the mouldings which you only now realize are imperfectly sealed, and vibrate loudly at a certain frequency. Or the grille covering the return on your forced-air ventilation system. Or the bookshelf which isn't touching the wall as fully on the left as it is on the right. Or a million other things. It's not so weird and wacky as you might think.
post #156 of 1194
It's VERY common for things to rattle even at low volumes. Each item has its own frequency to rattle at. The wreath holder on my front door loves to rattle with even the smallest bass
post #157 of 1194
yea its common but i mean how high or boosted must the bass be to move things in the room lol, i listen at decent volumes but never have anything move in my living room.
post #158 of 1194
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

yea its common but i mean how high or boosted must the bass be to move things in the room lol, i listen at decent volumes but never have anything move in my living room.


We obviously bought the wrong subs. We need to get our money back. I have Hsu and you got SvS. We should get our money back.
post #159 of 1194
Best line ever...Courtesy of Sputtler1

Being able to rattle dishes isn't indicative of anything. I can do that a unbalanced washing machine though it wouldn't be a good sub.
post #160 of 1194
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Originally Posted by SaviorMachine View Post

Or, you know, the mouldings which you only now realize are imperfectly sealed, and vibrate loudly at a certain frequency. Or the grille covering the return on your forced-air ventilation system. Or the bookshelf which isn't touching the wall as fully on the left as it is on the right. Or a million other things. It's not so weird and wacky as you might think.

Agreed. My hallway closet door rattles under certain circumstances, as do my windows and even the thermostat housing. Over-driving a sub can cause things to make noise, but so can specific resonant frequencies or SPL.
post #161 of 1194
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Originally Posted by KurtCocain View Post

Here is a stupid question. I used to have a DIY subwoofer in my car and that has been the best bass I had:.
Sub:
Cadence TXW12-4S 4 ohms sub (http://www.elektronik.gr/eshop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7985&zenid=a55147f734d4cfa3d533989dd706d28b)
Amp:
TXA 300.2 amp.
Enclosure - hand made by a forum member:
- 14"H x 20"W x 12"D, 1.405^3ft gross vol. After all displacement, 1.155^3ft net
- built from 3/4"UL-MDF seams matched and double sealed
- dado cut end caps
- seams fastened with tite bond glue and counter sunk drywall screws
- walls fully braced and tied in with hardwood bracing for zero wall flex
- 45 degree boards in the corners to kill standing sound waves.
So... I am about to purchase my first HT sub and I am wondering if the PB-1000 would sound as good/better than my car sub. What worries me that the PB-1000 is a 10" sub.


Anyone has an opinion about this?
post #162 of 1194
At the risk of sounding sarcastic... I don't know how anyone could answer that question. You want somebody to compare a subwoofer that's been out for only a few weeks -- which only a handful of people have even heard -- to a DIY subwoofer which none of us have ever heard? I don't think it's feasible to make an assessment like that, which is perhaps why no one has answered you thus far.
post #163 of 1194
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

At the risk of sounding sarcastic... I don't know how anyone could answer that question. You want somebody to compare a subwoofer that's been out for only a few weeks -- which only a handful of people have even heard -- to a DIY subwoofer which none of us have ever heard? I don't think it's feasible to make an assessment like that, which is perhaps why no one has answered you thus far.

Fair enough... Just thought some of the knowledgeable people in the forum would be able to provide some assessment/opinions based on hardware.
post #164 of 1194
Just ordered a PB-1000. I have a smaller took (~1700 ft) and don't need anything really loud as there are two bedrooms above my theater room. Usage will be 95% movies. I will post my thoughts after some time with it.

I ordered from Sonic Boom Audio as I am in Canada. They were great to deal with on the phone.

Any tips for setup? I already have a location presided so not. Such I can do as far as. Ovi g location. I have a Denon 1712 and will rerun Audessy.

Thanks, Tony
post #165 of 1194
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Originally Posted by CanadianZ View Post

Just ordered a PB-1000. I have a smaller took (~1700 ft) and don't need anything really loud as there are two bedrooms above my theater room. Usage will be 95% movies. I will post my thoughts after some time with it.

I ordered from Sonic Boom Audio as I am in Canada. They were great to deal with on the phone.

Any tips for setup? I already have a location presided so not. Such I can do as far as. Ovi g location. I have a Denon 1712 and will rerun Audessy.

Tony, help us out here; what language is this? I need to run it through translate.google.com so I can figure out what all this code means. smile.gif
post #166 of 1194
Wow, looks like the auto correct on my new tablet has a mind of its own.

Just saying I prewired my sub so the location is set.

Tony
post #167 of 1194
Would those of you who bought a PB-1000 (or SB-1000) be willing to give a little "review" of it here? Pros, cons, comparisons, other? Would be much appreciated if you would take the time. Thanks!
post #168 of 1194
I received a PB-1000 for Christmas and have nothing but love for it.

Being a 2 channel classical music lover, owning a nice sub was something that wasn't really high on my list. After spending a few days with this sub my mind has changed greatly on this matter. The difference to my system when I swapped it out with my very old NEC-SW300 was staggering on all levels. Lower, mid and upper bass were very clear, clean and integrated beautifully after running Audyssey. For music it just gets out of the way, only appearing when needed. The large tam-tam smashes at the start of the last movement of Mahler 2 with Ivan Fischer really reach down and are earth shattering as they should be. The organ at the end of this piece is almost overwhelming with it's large wall of sound. That's not say that it doesn't handle the nice delicate orchestral music or chamber music. It just blends so well with fronts that I feel like I'm listening to full range towers.

I've also watched 3 movies in the past few days. I'm not much of a movie watcher. This more movies than I've watched the whole year. Dark Knight Rises, Prometheus and SW:Episode 2 were my choices. Needless to say I've never had anything move this much air at such volume in my life. To keep it short and sweet I sit in my spot and do nothing but grin like a small child as the world erupts around me.

For the money I don't think you could do better.

Chris
post #169 of 1194
After 1 week with my sb-1000 and I am very happy. Previous sub was as pioneer sw-8. I can say this this thing gets down and I now see what I've been missing. The clarity is great and the sub stays under control. The difference is night and day and Its not that it is louder but that I can hear the difference and feel it. Spent some time listening to music and it handles with easy. I ran everything from dub step to classical and all sounded clean and composed nicely. With my old sub I could always tell where the sub was with sb-1000 I can barley tell and the null are a lot less them before.

Very well constructed, auto on works great every time, very small foot print, great out put and clarity is great. Very happy with the gift my wife got me. The only thing is that I had no clue she was getting it and I had been looking at the pb-1000. I wrote SVS and asked them what i was missing and the let me know that the pb would play lower and have a little better output in the 19-35hz range. Even with that I am still very pleased beyond what I could of imagined. I'm 85% for keeping it but thinking about ordering a pb-1000 and just do my own comparison. Either way I don't think one would be disappointed
post #170 of 1194
I am a new entrant in HT and not yet reached at using this level of subwoofer (SVS PB1000/12NSD or HSU). But I am interested to upgrade my sub to either SVS or HSU. I have some challenges as I leave in Bangladesh (we use 220 Volt), collecting those would be a long struggle. Once decided, definitely there would be way out for me. Since I'm living other part of the planet, replacing would be tough. That's why I am reading the posts very carefully to get idea.

My current setup is very low end. I have Denon 1911(it's a 7.1), Speakers: Sub: Boston Acoustic CS Sub 10 & Rear & Rear Back: Boston Acoustic CS23 [bookself], Center: Polk Audio 245, Front: Jamo S606)

My first choice now is to replace my CS Sub 10.


I seek your expert opinion.
post #171 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Pallob View Post

I am a new entrant in HT and not yet reached at using this level of subwoofer (SVS PB1000/12NSD or HSU). But I am interested to upgrade my sub to either SVS or HSU. I have some challenges as I leave in Bangladesh (we use 220 Volt), collecting those would be a long struggle. Once decided, definitely there would be way out for me. Since I'm living other part of the planet, replacing would be tough. That's why I am reading the posts very carefully to get idea.
My current setup is very low end. I have Denon 1911(it's a 7.1), Speakers: Sub: Boston Acoustic CS Sub 10 & Rear & Rear Back: Boston Acoustic CS23 [bookself], Center: Polk Audio 245, Front: Jamo S606)
My first choice now is to replace my CS Sub 10.
I seek your expert opinion.

Pallob, I'm not sure what HSU offers as far as international sales go, but SVS has quite a few international authorized distributors, including one in India (do they use the same 220 volt?) which may help with shipping costs.
post #172 of 1194
I have a 8X14 room in which I always watch Blu-Ray movies. I have KEF KHT 2005.2 speakers and I'm replacing a KEF PSW2150 subwoofer hooked to an Onkyo TX-SR806 . I'm trying to decide between the SB1000 and the PB1000.
post #173 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Pallob View Post

But I am interested to upgrade my sub to either SVS or HSU. I have some challenges as I leave in Bangladesh (we use 220 Volt), collecting those would be a long struggle.

The PB1000 doesn't have a selectable input voltage, so it's strictly 110 volts. My guess is the SB1000 is the same.
post #174 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Gunnett View Post

I have a 8X14 room in which I always watch Blu-Ray movies. I have KEF KHT 2005.2 speakers and I'm replacing a KEF PSW2150 subwoofer hooked to an Onkyo TX-SR806 . I'm trying to decide between the SB1000 and the PB1000.

If your primary interest is movies/TV then the PB1000 is probably the better choice. It's forte is deep bass, not total output (volume). Since your room is relatively small I suspect it would work quite well for you.
post #175 of 1194
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

If your primary interest is movies/TV then the PB1000 is probably the better choice. It's forte is deep bass, not total output (volume). Since your room is relatively small I suspect it would work quite well for you.

Would you choose two SB1000s or 1 PB1000 for a 13 x 16 x 10 room? The x-over would be at 120 hz.
post #176 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Trackman View Post

Would you choose two SB1000s or 1 PB1000 for a 13 x 16 x 10 room? The x-over would be at 120 hz.

If your plans are also for movies/TV the vast majority of the time then the answer is probably going to stay the same.

Dual SB1000's will even out the response, and will certainly have the ability to play much louder. However, you could have five SB1000's and they still won't be able to play as deep as a single PB1000. The reason being multiple subs only increase your volume capability, they do nothing for additional depth; a subwoofer can only play so low, regardless of how many of them you have. If really deep bass is what you're after then the PB1000 is still the better option. If more even distribution of sound is your goal then dual SB1000's would be the way to go. Of course, dual PB1000's is the best of both worlds. In a room that size I imagine it would be quite potent.
post #177 of 1194
MahlerFreak and Fitness210, thanks for the very helpful reviews!

I'm looking for either a PB1000 or SB1000 to go with my four Ascend 340 mini-towers and center channel speaker (driven by a Denon 3312 amp) along one wall in a townhouse, so space is very limited. The SB1000 would fit nicely in the room, but it would be a tight squeeze for the larger PB1000. That's why I'm looking at the trade-offs sound wise by comparing the two. Reading the reviews here, it seems like the PB is the way to go, but I don't want the room to look too cluttered and don't want the new wife suggesting to move it out anytime soon. But if the consensus is for the PB for both movies and music, I guess I'll have to lean in that direction no matter what!!

Then there's the SB12-NSD, which adds one more variable to consider.....
post #178 of 1194
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Originally Posted by BeachBoys1 View Post

MahlerFreak and Fitness210, thanks for the very helpful reviews!
I'm looking for either a PB1000 or SB1000 to go with my four Ascend 340 mini-towers and center channel speaker (driven by a Denon 3312 amp) along one wall in a townhouse, so space is very limited. The SB1000 would fit nicely in the room, but it would be a tight squeeze for the larger PB1000. That's why I'm looking at the trade-offs sound wise by comparing the two. Reading the reviews here, it seems like the PB is the way to go, but I don't want the room to look too cluttered and don't want the new wife suggesting to move it out anytime soon. But if the consensus is for the PB for both movies and music, I guess I'll have to lean in that direction no matter what!!
Then there's the SB12-NSD, which adds one more variable to consider.....

Here is a pic of how the PB-1000 looks in my setup to maybe give you an idea of what your working with. I have had it for several weeks now and it is great with movies and music. It was a bit boomy until broken but now this thing gets low and tight. I watched Total Recall the other day and the bass can be really felt especially in the beginning scenes of the movie. I have my Polk RTi 70s crossover settings at 60 hz and sub crossover at 80 hz for movies and PB-1000 on LFE. I listen to jazz, dubstep, eagles, etc. and the bass is very controlled. For music listening I run the RTis full range and crossover the PB-1000 at its lowest setting. I believe its 50 hz. I also have it sitting on a Auralex Gramma which tightens things even further. I am very pleased with the sub and SVS.

post #179 of 1194
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

If your plans are also for movies/TV the vast majority of the time then the answer is probably going to stay the same.
Dual SB1000's will even out the response, and will certainly have the ability to play much louder. However, you could have five SB1000's and they still won't be able to play as deep as a single PB1000. The reason being multiple subs only increase your volume capability, they do nothing for additional depth; a subwoofer can only play so low, regardless of how many of them you have. If really deep bass is what you're after then the PB1000 is still the better option. If more even distribution of sound is your goal then dual SB1000's would be the way to go. Of course, dual PB1000's is the best of both worlds. In a room that size I imagine it would be quite potent.

Understood. Volume isn't a big issue for me. I guess the question now is whether the few extra hz I can get on the low end with the PB is worth the extra space it needs. Will the PB perform as well as the SB at the high end - from 80 - 120? That would seem to be a more important factor, since many movies have few or no deep bass scenes where the ability to go below 23 (assuming that is where the PB outshines the SB) matters. Maybe a SB12-NSD is the best of both worlds? smile.gif
Edited by Trackman - 12/30/12 at 3:19pm
post #180 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Trackman View Post

That would seem to be a more important factor, since many movies have few or no deep bass scenes where the ability to go below 23 (assuming that is where the PB outshines the SB) matters.

I have to disagree with you here; based upon my experience there is a lot of content in the low 20's and upper teens being encoded into movie soundtracks today. To some extent, it almost seems like the audio tracks are deliberately being recorded with very deep bass. For a system that will be used predominately for HT the PB1000 is probably still a good choice.
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