New SVS SB1000 & PB1000 Subwoofers!! - Page 8

Originally Posted by Doug Nash 

I have an extremely eclectic taste in music. The only thing I never, ever play is reggae. But I love classical symphonies & jazz, to modern electronic with all matter of rock in between.

Originally Posted by JimWilson 

The only one of those music types I see that could be a potential issue is "modern electronic". I heard the PB1000 lose a bit of composure on a few electronic test tracks I have. Those have content in the low teens though, so it may not be an issue for the type of electronic music you play.

Originally Posted by Doug Nash 

Thanks. Would the thinking be that the SB might be a little tighter, and a little more capable of matching fast beats, at the expense of some slightly lower frequencies? Likely, that's what I'm after here.

Originally Posted by Doug Nash 

Thanks. Is it a safe assumption that even for HT, a SB1000 will still be substantially better than a ported cheaper offering from a brick & mortar retailer? I know that the Klipsch 12" almost has a fanatical following, because it pops up on NewEgg for $299 quite often. Obviously, this is a loaded question on a SVS thread. But I figure enough of you have certainly tried out wares from other manufactures, too.

Originally Posted by JimWilson 

I assume the "cheaper offering" is the Klipsch? If so, the PB1000 is the sub you should be comparing it to. The SB1000 doesn't really target the Klipsch as a direct competitor - the PB1000 is better aligned for that.
There are a number of factors to consider when deciding on what subwoofer to purchase, so it's almost impossible to quantify "substantially better" for anyone. I might think sound quality is paramount, whereas you feel it's output. Warranty may be one of the areas I consider important, while appearance may be higher on your priority list. Enclosure dimensions could mean nothing to me, yet for you it may be critical. The list goes on and on, and will be different for each person.
While the tangibles of sound are obviously quite significant, there are generally other concerns someone will have. If you're doing an apples-to-apples comparison though it should probably be the PB1000 to the Klipsch.

Originally Posted by Doug Nash 

I even read the sticky about choosing a sub. I guess, what I really meant by "better" was more about quality of parts. The driver, amp, related circuitry, box construction, etc. With your hands-on experience, are the lower-priced SVS subs built to a slightly higher standard than the similarly prices subs from the bigger names? Or all things pretty equal around that $500 price point?

Originally Posted by mcsluis 

IWould love it if someone could post a chart for the PB-1000 so we can compare it with the SB-1000.

Originally Posted by JimWilson 

The PB1000 doesn't have a selectable input voltage, so it's strictly 110 volts. My guess is the SB1000 is the same.

Originally Posted by Trace79 

Have to put this out there about my previously reported experience with the PB-1000 that I thought was a lemon. Just unpacked my PC12-NSD yesterday and had similar issues like I had with the PB-1000. I thought, "it can't be the subwoofer doing this." Talked to Ed at SVS and we deduced it to possibly being my external interface that was outputting a weak signal to my sub...the PreSonus Audiobox USB was the cheapest interface at $99 and even the product description on the website omitted the power delivered in the output. Even, Y-splitters from the L/R outputs were no use creating distorted sound in my studio monitors and little to no output in the sub.

I decided to go to Guitar Center and trade in the PreSonus Audiobox for a Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 (Ed helped check the voltage output on the Focusrite and said it should do the job.) With more outputs as well, I am able to run balanced out to my studio monitors and an unbalanced RCA directly to the PC12-NSD. The result is fantastic! The PC12-NSD is perfect for my Tannoy501A's. It has great output and hits hard and low...something I definitely needed since these Tannoy's are ridiculously loud and clear. I'm glad everything happened the way it did.

So, long story short, I didn't get a lemon from SVS. It was a hardware issue finally solved thanks to the guys at SVS. Just needed to clear up my errors from previous posts.

Thanks SVS for all your help and support!

Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg 

Tron also has clipping in the mix

Originally Posted by JimWilson 

I believe SVS has some on their website.

Originally Posted by Ed Mullen 

The difference between the SB-1000 and the PB-1000 is really two-fold. The first difference is deep extension - the PB-1000 does extend deeper. The second difference is max output in the deep bass regions - while the two subs have similar max output in the mid/upper bass regions, the PB-1000 has considerably more max output than the SB-1000 in the 18-36 Hz octave. This should really come as no surprise - it has a much larger cabinet volume and a 3.5" deep-tuned port, both of which contribute to higher max output at the deeper frequencies. This is similar to comparing say the SB12-NSD and the PB12-NSD.

As owners are discovering, the SB-1000 has a wonderful articulate sound, gets plenty deep in-room (as evidenced by the flat to 20 Hz FR chart posted previously), and also has surprisingly high output and punch. It's a fantastic choice for smaller rooms which don't need extreme output from the subwoofer, and also where ease of placement and low visual impact are also priorities.

The PB-1000 is a better choice for larger rooms at higher playback levels where more sheer output in the 18-36 Hz octave is needed, and a somewhat larger and more visible subwoofer is not an issue for the owner.

Originally Posted by Ed Mullen 

We've seen some anecdotal evidence of this - popping and/or poor bass quality reported on certain parts of Tron.

Originally Posted by Ed Mullen 

The difference between the SB-1000 and the PB-1000 is really two-fold. The first difference is deep extension - the PB-1000 does extend deeper. The second difference is max output in the deep bass regions - while the two subs have similar max output in the mid/upper bass regions, the PB-1000 has considerably more max output than the SB-1000 in the 18-36 Hz octave. This should really come as no surprise - it has a much larger cabinet volume and a 3.5" deep-tuned port, both of which contribute to higher max output at the deeper frequencies. This is similar to comparing say the SB12-NSD and the PB12-NSD.

As owners are discovering, the SB-1000 has a wonderful articulate sound, gets plenty deep in-room (as evidenced by the flat to 20 Hz FR chart posted previously), and also has surprisingly high output and punch. It's a fantastic choice for smaller rooms which don't need extreme output from the subwoofer, and also where ease of placement and low visual impact are also priorities.

The PB-1000 is a better choice for larger rooms at higher playback levels where more sheer output in the 18-36 Hz octave is needed, and a somewhat larger and more visible subwoofer is not an issue for the owner.

Originally Posted by mcsluis 

Thank you for the explaining the difference between these subs. Since i'm using my set only to watch movies, i tend to the PB-1000. To be honest, i have never heard an SVS sub before, however i've read only positive comments about them the last few years. This buy will be a small gamble.I think it's a big step up from my mordaunt short alumni 9 subwoofer which can output no lower the 30hz. I think the PB-1000 will give a new dimension in watching movies. :-)

Could there be another reason to choose the SB over the PB except for the size of the cabinet?

Is the 45-day trial applicable when i buy the sub from hificorner in the Netherlands, or only when it's directly bought from SVS?

Originally Posted by p3Orion 

I'm looking at the SB-1000 vs the PB-1000. How much lower, or how low, would the SB-1000 go in an 11'x11'x8' bedroom (door closed vs door open)?

Originally Posted by Ed Mullen 

This type of room is perfect for the SB-1000. If the room is enclosed, it will start to show room gain at a fairly high frequency and I would expect the SB-1000 to have flat/usable in-room extension to near 20 Hz (similar to the graph posted above).

Originally Posted by Ak Gara 

Is my room too small for a PB1000?



Not that it'll stop me probably.

Originally Posted by Ak Gara 

Is my room too small for a PB1000?



Not that it'll stop me probably.

Originally Posted by Nalow 

I'm a little torn on what I want to do regarding ported vs. sealed.

I really really like the SB-1000 specs and size. It will simply fit well in my room. I am very limited on space with my furniture on subwoofer placement and the SB-1000 will fit perfect. My usage is going to be mostly movies, with very little music listening. That is what has me concerned; I feel that the PB-1000 is going to be what I "actually" need, vs. what I want. My room is about 11x16x8.

The PB-1000's ability to dig deeper into the frequencies makes me hesitant to purchase the SB-1000. But it's overall cabinet size is going to be very difficult to fit into the space I have.

In your opinion, would I technically be fine with the SB-1000 and not to worry about it? Either one of them HAS to be better than my 9-year old Dayton 10". But, I figure if I am spending this coin, I want to get the right product.

Originally Posted by p3Orion 

3'4" really? Do you mean 3'4" wide? If not, dang that is a tall bed. I thought my bed at 26" was high. Is that a prison cell? I kid. I kid. My room dimensions are similar to yours.

Originally Posted by Nalow 

I'm a little torn on what I want to do regarding ported vs. sealed.

I really really like the SB-1000 specs and size. It will simply fit well in my room. I am very limited on space with my furniture on subwoofer placement and the SB-1000 will fit perfect. My usage is going to be mostly movies, with very little music listening. That is what has me concerned; I feel that the PB-1000 is going to be what I "actually" need, vs. what I want. My room is about 11x16x8.
The PB-1000's ability to dig deeper into the frequencies makes me hesitant to purchase the SB-1000. But it's overall cabinet size is going to be very difficult to fit into the space I have.

In your opinion, would I technically be fine with the SB-1000 and not to worry about it? Either one of them HAS to be better than my 9-year old Dayton 10". But, I figure if I am spending this coin, I want to get the right product.