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post #211 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Doug Nash View Post

I have an extremely eclectic taste in music. The only thing I never, ever play is reggae. But I love classical symphonies & jazz, to modern electronic with all matter of rock in between.

The only one of those music types I see that could be a potential issue is "modern electronic". I heard the PB1000 lose a bit of composure on a few electronic test tracks I have. Those have content in the low teens though, so it may not be an issue for the type of electronic music you play.
post #212 of 1194
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

The only one of those music types I see that could be a potential issue is "modern electronic". I heard the PB1000 lose a bit of composure on a few electronic test tracks I have. Those have content in the low teens though, so it may not be an issue for the type of electronic music you play.

Thanks. Would the thinking be that the SB might be a little tighter, and a little more capable of matching fast beats, at the expense of some slightly lower frequencies? Likely, that's what I'm after here.
post #213 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Doug Nash View Post

Thanks. Would the thinking be that the SB might be a little tighter, and a little more capable of matching fast beats, at the expense of some slightly lower frequencies? Likely, that's what I'm after here.

Sealed are often considered better for music, while ported excel at HT. Clarity vs depth essentially. That's a bit of a generality -- there are exceptions to every rule -- but frequently that seems to be the case.
post #214 of 1194
Thanks. Is it a safe assumption that even for HT, a SB1000 will still be substantially better than a ported cheaper offering from a brick & mortar retailer? I know that the Klipsch 12" almost has a fanatical following, because it pops up on NewEgg for $299 quite often. Obviously, this is a loaded question on a SVS thread. But I figure enough of you have certainly tried out wares from other manufactures, too.
post #215 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Doug Nash View Post

Thanks. Is it a safe assumption that even for HT, a SB1000 will still be substantially better than a ported cheaper offering from a brick & mortar retailer? I know that the Klipsch 12" almost has a fanatical following, because it pops up on NewEgg for $299 quite often. Obviously, this is a loaded question on a SVS thread. But I figure enough of you have certainly tried out wares from other manufactures, too.

I assume the "cheaper offering" is the Klipsch? If so, the PB1000 is the sub you should be comparing it to. The SB1000 doesn't really target the Klipsch as a direct competitor - the PB1000 is better aligned for that.

There are a number of factors to consider when deciding on what subwoofer to purchase, so it's almost impossible to quantify "substantially better" for anyone. I might think sound quality is paramount, whereas you feel it's output. Warranty may be one of the areas I consider important, while appearance may be higher on your priority list. Enclosure dimensions could mean nothing to me, yet for you it may be critical. The list goes on and on, and will be different for each person.

While the tangibles of sound are obviously quite significant, there are generally other concerns someone will have. If you're doing an apples-to-apples comparison though it should probably be the PB1000 to the Klipsch.
post #216 of 1194
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

I assume the "cheaper offering" is the Klipsch? If so, the PB1000 is the sub you should be comparing it to. The SB1000 doesn't really target the Klipsch as a direct competitor - the PB1000 is better aligned for that.
There are a number of factors to consider when deciding on what subwoofer to purchase, so it's almost impossible to quantify "substantially better" for anyone. I might think sound quality is paramount, whereas you feel it's output. Warranty may be one of the areas I consider important, while appearance may be higher on your priority list. Enclosure dimensions could mean nothing to me, yet for you it may be critical. The list goes on and on, and will be different for each person.
While the tangibles of sound are obviously quite significant, there are generally other concerns someone will have. If you're doing an apples-to-apples comparison though it should probably be the PB1000 to the Klipsch.

Thanks, and I guess my question devolved into that all-too-common one. I even read the sticky about choosing a sub. I guess, what I really meant by "better" was more about quality of parts. The driver, amp, related circuitry, box construction, etc. With your hands-on experience, are the lower-priced SVS subs built to a slightly higher standard than the similarly prices subs from the bigger names? Or all things pretty equal around that $500 price point?
post #217 of 1194
I'm also in the market for a new sub. In the Netherlands it's very hard to get your hands on SV sound, but finally we have a SVS retailer in the country and it's all-most nextdoor!
Since I mainly watch movies, i'm very interested in the PB-1000. Would love it if someone could post a chart for the PB-1000 so we can compare it with the SB-1000.
post #218 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Doug Nash View Post

I even read the sticky about choosing a sub. I guess, what I really meant by "better" was more about quality of parts. The driver, amp, related circuitry, box construction, etc. With your hands-on experience, are the lower-priced SVS subs built to a slightly higher standard than the similarly prices subs from the bigger names? Or all things pretty equal around that $500 price point?

SVS is pretty good with their engineering, so they often spend a lot of time on the driver, amp and DSP programming. The PB1000 appears to follow suit; the driver seems like a quality piece, as does the amp. The amp is also a class D design, so it hardly generates any heat even when pushed. The cabinet won't win any contests, but the 5 year warranty implies it will be around for the long haul.
post #219 of 1194
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Originally Posted by mcsluis View Post

IWould love it if someone could post a chart for the PB-1000 so we can compare it with the SB-1000.

I believe SVS has some on their website.
post #220 of 1194
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

The PB1000 doesn't have a selectable input voltage, so it's strictly 110 volts. My guess is the SB1000 is the same.

The 1000-series subs are sold world-wide. Like all SVS subwoofers, the 1000-series subs are configured for the AC voltage in the region to which they are being shipped.
post #221 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Trace79 View Post

Have to put this out there about my previously reported experience with the PB-1000 that I thought was a lemon. Just unpacked my PC12-NSD yesterday and had similar issues like I had with the PB-1000. I thought, "it can't be the subwoofer doing this." Talked to Ed at SVS and we deduced it to possibly being my external interface that was outputting a weak signal to my sub...the PreSonus Audiobox USB was the cheapest interface at $99 and even the product description on the website omitted the power delivered in the output. Even, Y-splitters from the L/R outputs were no use creating distorted sound in my studio monitors and little to no output in the sub.

I decided to go to Guitar Center and trade in the PreSonus Audiobox for a Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 (Ed helped check the voltage output on the Focusrite and said it should do the job.) With more outputs as well, I am able to run balanced out to my studio monitors and an unbalanced RCA directly to the PC12-NSD. The result is fantastic! The PC12-NSD is perfect for my Tannoy501A's. It has great output and hits hard and low...something I definitely needed since these Tannoy's are ridiculously loud and clear. I'm glad everything happened the way it did.

So, long story short, I didn't get a lemon from SVS. It was a hardware issue finally solved thanks to the guys at SVS. Just needed to clear up my errors from previous posts.

Thanks SVS for all your help and support!

Glad everything finally worked out! That was a bit of a head-scratcher at first, but after digging into it, I was confident a new/better USB audio interface with both balanced and unbalanced outputs would do the trick. I'm sure the PB-1000 would have performed just as well with the new audio interface, but the PC12-NSD is a great sub and performing well for you - so 'all's well that end's well'!
post #222 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Tron also has clipping in the mix

We've seen some anecdotal evidence of this - popping and/or poor bass quality reported on certain parts of Tron. I haven't dug into it too deeply, so if you could point me to a hyperlink with supporting data and some timestamps, that would be helpful - thanks Brian.
post #223 of 1194
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

I believe SVS has some on their website.

The difference between the SB-1000 and the PB-1000 is really two-fold. The first difference is deep extension - the PB-1000 does extend deeper. The second difference is max output in the deep bass regions - while the two subs have similar max output in the mid/upper bass regions, the PB-1000 has considerably more max output than the SB-1000 in the 18-36 Hz octave. This should really come as no surprise - it has a much larger cabinet volume and a 3.5" deep-tuned port, both of which contribute to higher max output at the deeper frequencies. This is similar to comparing say the SB12-NSD and the PB12-NSD.

As owners are discovering, the SB-1000 has a wonderful articulate sound, gets plenty deep in-room (as evidenced by the flat to 20 Hz FR chart posted previously), and also has surprisingly high output and punch. It's a fantastic choice for smaller rooms which don't need extreme output from the subwoofer, and also where ease of placement and low visual impact are also priorities.

The PB-1000 is a better choice for larger rooms at higher playback levels where more sheer output in the 18-36 Hz octave is needed, and a somewhat larger and more visible subwoofer is not an issue for the owner.
post #224 of 1194
For anyone considering SB vs PB, SVS does a 45 day trial. Try one if you don't like it, get the other one. They are the same price so you already know the $ commitment.
post #225 of 1194
After looking at that curve again I'm jonesing to get a PB and watch HTTYD.
post #226 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Ed Mullen View Post

The difference between the SB-1000 and the PB-1000 is really two-fold. The first difference is deep extension - the PB-1000 does extend deeper. The second difference is max output in the deep bass regions - while the two subs have similar max output in the mid/upper bass regions, the PB-1000 has considerably more max output than the SB-1000 in the 18-36 Hz octave. This should really come as no surprise - it has a much larger cabinet volume and a 3.5" deep-tuned port, both of which contribute to higher max output at the deeper frequencies. This is similar to comparing say the SB12-NSD and the PB12-NSD.

As owners are discovering, the SB-1000 has a wonderful articulate sound, gets plenty deep in-room (as evidenced by the flat to 20 Hz FR chart posted previously), and also has surprisingly high output and punch. It's a fantastic choice for smaller rooms which don't need extreme output from the subwoofer, and also where ease of placement and low visual impact are also priorities.

The PB-1000 is a better choice for larger rooms at higher playback levels where more sheer output in the 18-36 Hz octave is needed, and a somewhat larger and more visible subwoofer is not an issue for the owner.

I'm looking at the SB-1000 vs the PB-1000. How much lower, or how low, would the SB-1000 go in an 11'x11'x8' bedroom (door closed vs door open)?
post #227 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Ed Mullen View Post

We've seen some anecdotal evidence of this - popping and/or poor bass quality reported on certain parts of Tron.

If that proves to be the case I wonder if it's what I'm hearing. I'm not getting the popping sound, but poor bass quality I surely am. Some of it comes across as just a horrible drone, with no dynamics or clarity. There are also sections where it seems the LFE was recorded way too hot.

When the 'clipping recorded in the soundtrack' post first showed up I thought it was probably baloney. What studio would release a movie knowing the soundtrack was like that? But maybe there's some truth to it after all...
post #228 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Ed Mullen View Post

The difference between the SB-1000 and the PB-1000 is really two-fold. The first difference is deep extension - the PB-1000 does extend deeper. The second difference is max output in the deep bass regions - while the two subs have similar max output in the mid/upper bass regions, the PB-1000 has considerably more max output than the SB-1000 in the 18-36 Hz octave. This should really come as no surprise - it has a much larger cabinet volume and a 3.5" deep-tuned port, both of which contribute to higher max output at the deeper frequencies. This is similar to comparing say the SB12-NSD and the PB12-NSD.

As owners are discovering, the SB-1000 has a wonderful articulate sound, gets plenty deep in-room (as evidenced by the flat to 20 Hz FR chart posted previously), and also has surprisingly high output and punch. It's a fantastic choice for smaller rooms which don't need extreme output from the subwoofer, and also where ease of placement and low visual impact are also priorities.

The PB-1000 is a better choice for larger rooms at higher playback levels where more sheer output in the 18-36 Hz octave is needed, and a somewhat larger and more visible subwoofer is not an issue for the owner.

Thank you for the explaining the difference between these subs. Since i'm using my set only to watch movies, i tend to buy the PB-1000. To be honest, i have never heard an SVS sub before, however i've read only positive comments about them the last few years. This buy will be a small gamble.I think it's a big step up from my mordaunt short alumni 9 subwoofer which can output no lower the 30hz. I think the PB-1000 will give a new dimension in watching movies. :-)

Could there be another reason to choose the SB over the PB except for the size of the cabinet?

Is the 45-day trial applicable when i buy the sub from hificorner in the Netherlands, or only when it's directly bought from SVS?
Edited by mcsluis - 1/10/13 at 11:15am
post #229 of 1194
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Originally Posted by mcsluis View Post

Thank you for the explaining the difference between these subs. Since i'm using my set only to watch movies, i tend to the PB-1000. To be honest, i have never heard an SVS sub before, however i've read only positive comments about them the last few years. This buy will be a small gamble.I think it's a big step up from my mordaunt short alumni 9 subwoofer which can output no lower the 30hz. I think the PB-1000 will give a new dimension in watching movies. :-)

Could there be another reason to choose the SB over the PB except for the size of the cabinet?

Is the 45-day trial applicable when i buy the sub from hificorner in the Netherlands, or only when it's directly bought from SVS?

The SVS Bill of Rights (which collectively is our set of 'consumerism policies') only applies for our direct sales to customers. International dealers who carry the SVS brand are independent businesses, and as such have their own individual set of consumerism policies, which may (or may not) mirror our own. So it's always best to ask your dealer/distributor directly about the in-home trial period and/or return policy, etc.
post #230 of 1194
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

I'm looking at the SB-1000 vs the PB-1000. How much lower, or how low, would the SB-1000 go in an 11'x11'x8' bedroom (door closed vs door open)?

This type of room is perfect for the SB-1000. If the room is enclosed, it will start to show room gain at a fairly high frequency and I would expect the SB-1000 to have flat/usable in-room extension to near 20 Hz (similar to the graph posted above).
post #231 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Ed Mullen View Post

This type of room is perfect for the SB-1000. If the room is enclosed, it will start to show room gain at a fairly high frequency and I would expect the SB-1000 to have flat/usable in-room extension to near 20 Hz (similar to the graph posted above).

Thanks. What I'm trying to figure out is if a sub would sound better with my door closed or open given that my room is square shaped. Roughly 4 1/2 ft opposite my door is another 11'x11'x8' room, which I could leave the door open. And a few feet left of my door extends into a 25 ft long hallway. I'm worried that keeping the door closed would create acoustic problems where a sub is concerned. Also, how low the SB-1000 would go if my door was left open.

Here's what I'm dealing with:

post #232 of 1194
I'm a little torn on what I want to do regarding ported vs. sealed.

I really really like the SB-1000 specs and size. It will simply fit well in my room. I am very limited on space with my furniture on subwoofer placement and the SB-1000 will fit perfect. My usage is going to be mostly movies, with very little music listening. That is what has me concerned; I feel that the PB-1000 is going to be what I "actually" need, vs. what I want. My room is about 11x16x8.
The PB-1000's ability to dig deeper into the frequencies makes me hesitant to purchase the SB-1000. But it's overall cabinet size is going to be very difficult to fit into the space I have.

In your opinion, would I technically be fine with the SB-1000 and not to worry about it? Either one of them HAS to be better than my 9-year old Dayton 10". But, I figure if I am spending this coin, I want to get the right product.
post #233 of 1194
Is my room too small for a PB1000?



Not that it'll stop me probably.
post #234 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Ak Gara View Post

Is my room too small for a PB1000?



Not that it'll stop me probably.

If you can get the sub into the room through a door or a window, the sub's not too big. It;s not like you're forced to use the sub full tilt at all times. Have you considered the SB-1000, it's a bit smaller.
Edited by Prime316 - 1/10/13 at 2:50pm
post #235 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Ak Gara View Post

Is my room too small for a PB1000?



Not that it'll stop me probably.

3'4" really? Do you mean 3'4" wide? If not, dang that is a tall bed. I thought my bed at 26" was high. Is that a prison cell? I kid. I kid. tongue.gif My room dimensions are similar to yours.
post #236 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Nalow View Post

I'm a little torn on what I want to do regarding ported vs. sealed.

I really really like the SB-1000 specs and size. It will simply fit well in my room. I am very limited on space with my furniture on subwoofer placement and the SB-1000 will fit perfect. My usage is going to be mostly movies, with very little music listening. That is what has me concerned; I feel that the PB-1000 is going to be what I "actually" need, vs. what I want. My room is about 11x16x8.

The PB-1000's ability to dig deeper into the frequencies makes me hesitant to purchase the SB-1000. But it's overall cabinet size is going to be very difficult to fit into the space I have.

In your opinion, would I technically be fine with the SB-1000 and not to worry about it? Either one of them HAS to be better than my 9-year old Dayton 10". But, I figure if I am spending this coin, I want to get the right product.

You seem to already know the pluses and minuses of both, so perhaps you should look at it from a different perspective. Which would you regret more; having a sub larger then you'd like, or have less bass then you need? That might be an easier way to make a decision. Either will indeed be better then what you have now, but only you can decide which compromise you're willing to make.
post #237 of 1194
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

3'4" really? Do you mean 3'4" wide? If not, dang that is a tall bed. I thought my bed at 26" was high. Is that a prison cell? I kid. I kid. tongue.gif My room dimensions are similar to yours.

It's a storage unit with a bed on top. It's also 4'3" wide.

I think I might move my tv to the unit that's on the left of my PC, then get the unit to the right of my pc out of my room, as well as remove the shelves next to my window. That should give me a lot more room.
post #238 of 1194
Still can't decide on 2x LFM-1 Plus or 2x PB-1000....

Going down to a 10" is making me wonder if it'll be an upgrade at all or just a sidestep into a different cabinet
post #239 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Nalow View Post

I'm a little torn on what I want to do regarding ported vs. sealed.

I really really like the SB-1000 specs and size. It will simply fit well in my room. I am very limited on space with my furniture on subwoofer placement and the SB-1000 will fit perfect. My usage is going to be mostly movies, with very little music listening. That is what has me concerned; I feel that the PB-1000 is going to be what I "actually" need, vs. what I want. My room is about 11x16x8.
The PB-1000's ability to dig deeper into the frequencies makes me hesitant to purchase the SB-1000. But it's overall cabinet size is going to be very difficult to fit into the space I have.

In your opinion, would I technically be fine with the SB-1000 and not to worry about it? Either one of them HAS to be better than my 9-year old Dayton 10". But, I figure if I am spending this coin, I want to get the right product.

If available floor space is an issue (as is often the case) but you still require hard-core performance on movies, then take a look at the PC12-NSD. With a 16" diameter footprint it will fit just about anywhere a smaller sealed sub will fit, and it will deliver the same performance as the PB12-NSD.

If the PC12-NSD is a bit out of your price range, you could always try an SB-1000 (which yes will be a very nice upgrade over your older Dayton) and see if the performance on movies is enough. With the 45-day in-home trial and very low return shipping the risk is almost zero. And of course this form factor is stackable, so you could always add a second SB-1000 down the road for a serious performance boost without consuming an additional floor space.
post #240 of 1194
Well I ended up selling a few set of my CRT Marquee bellows this week and pulled the trigger on Dual PB1000's!!!!

I cant wait to hook them up!!!

I might first try one out in my main everyday set up , if I like it I might order a third for that System!!

Athanasios
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