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post #241 of 1194
hi,

i am very excited about these SVS low-budget subwoofers but i'm unsure whether a single SB-1000 or a single PB-1000 would be a better choice for me (i only want a single sub and these models are the only ones I can afford). I hope you can give me some advice:

The main problem is my rather large room size of 26 x 12 ft with low ceilings. I've read that for a room with this size I shouldn't go with a driver that is smaller than 12". However, I reckon the PB is more powerful then the sealed SB, even with the SB having a larger driver. Also, Jim somewhere mentioned that he can't believe that the PB only has a 10" driver (can't find his originals words right now, so I paraphrased).

I want to use the sub both for movies and music (50/50) and I don't need them to play really loud. I have tried out the jamo sub 660, which sounds actually fine (slightly better than my ported self-made sub). However, the auto-on of the jamo does not work at all, therefore I will return it and go for a SVS.

Thanks a lot!
post #242 of 1194
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Originally Posted by 71onirot View Post

The main problem is my rather large room size of 26 x 12 ft with low ceilings. I've read that for a room with this size I shouldn't go with a driver that is smaller than 12". However, I reckon the PB is more powerful then the sealed SB, even with the SB having a larger driver. Also, Jim somewhere mentioned that he can't believe that the PB only has a 10" driver (can't find his originals words right now, so I paraphrased).

Jim doesn't even recall what he says half the time, so no worries if you can't either... tongue.gif

For you there's only one answer really; the PB1000. The SB1000 will get swallowed in a room that size.
post #243 of 1194
i'm glad to hear that you reckon the pb1000 will be able to play well in my room. i've just ordered it and can't wait for it to arrive.

have you actually ever had the chance to listen to the jamo sub 660? just out of curiousity i'd like to know how it compares to the sb1000.
Edited by 71onirot - 1/13/13 at 12:26pm
post #244 of 1194
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Originally Posted by 71onirot View Post

have you actually ever had the chance to listen to the jamo sub 660? just out of curiousity i'd like to know how it compares to the sb1000.

I had a Jamo Sub 650, which is the predecessor to the 660, but was not at all impressed. It was so weak I sent it back. However, I may have gotten a lemon; another AVS member named Archaea -- who I trust -- measured a Sub 650, and it did extremely well. I suspect the 660 has to be an upgrade, so it's probably at least as good. Based upon how the 650 did I suspect it would give the SB1000 a run for the money.
post #245 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Ed Mullen View Post

This type of room is perfect for the SB-1000. If the room is enclosed, it will start to show room gain at a fairly high frequency and I would expect the SB-1000 to have flat/usable in-room extension to near 20 Hz (similar to the graph posted above).

I almost have the same room dimension (11.5' x 12.5') but I would like to try a dual sub set-up using the SB-1000 purely for
audio use. Do you think this is overkill? I will be pairing it with Role Audio Skiffs in near field listening mode using desktop
computer.

Thanks,

Edwin
post #246 of 1194
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I almost have the same room dimension (11.5' x 12.5') but I would like to try a dual sub set-up using the SB-1000 purely for
audio use. Do you think this is overkill?
I think that would be pretty sweet! cool.gif
post #247 of 1194
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

I think that would be pretty sweet! cool.gif

You think so, eljay smile.gif. I took a peep at your set-up. That is one elegant set-up! Nice one!
post #248 of 1194
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You think so, eljay smile.gif.
Yes, I do. Dual SB-1000s in your room should play clean, play loud, dig deep, sound good and, when necessary, rock HARD!!! cool.gif

What's not to like about that? smile.gif
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I took a peep at your set-up. That is one elegant set-up! Nice one!
Thanks! biggrin.gif
post #249 of 1194
Has anybody heard the SB1000? I really like what I've seen on paper but i would love to get some opinions on how it preforms smile.gif
post #250 of 1194
How would dual SB-12NSD compare to dual PB-1000 for home theater use? Looking for output and "midbass punch" but a small footprint would also be nice.
post #251 of 1194
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Originally Posted by BB1111 View Post

How would dual SB-12NSD compare to dual PB-1000 for home theater use? Looking for output and "midbass punch" but a small footprint would also be nice.

That is what I wanted , then I wanted the PB12's and doug told me for my lower than reference listening levels the dual PB1000's would be best. the SB12's only go to I think 23hz while the PB1000 goes to 19hz,

Athanasios
Edited by nashou66 - 1/14/13 at 10:22pm
post #252 of 1194
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Originally Posted by nashou66 View Post

That is what I wanted , then I wanted the PB12's and doug told me for my lower than reference listening levels the dual PB1000's would be best. the SB12's only go to I think 23hz while the PB1000 goes to 19hz,

Athanasios

19 to 270 going by their website. Which is insane if you think about it. So much range!
post #253 of 1194
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Originally Posted by BOOM85 View Post

Has anybody heard the SB1000? I really like what I've seen on paper but i would love to get some opinions on how it preforms smile.gif

I bought an SB1000 to accompany the RC Micro 5.0 set I gave my dad. I didn't get a chance to listen too long but after configuring with Audyssey and watching a few movies on TV (Iron Man and War Horse were on at the time) it's very impressive. The room is fairly small, around 15x12x8, so the SB is a great fit. Size was the main factor in purchasing a sub and although the SB was a bit over budget, it was a great choice. And considering the 5-year unconditional warranty, I don't think anything in this price/size range can touch it. Didn't have a chance to listen to any music, but from what I've read (and heard), it would be great for a 2.1 system or desktop system.

Good luck!
post #254 of 1194
I just ordered the PB1000, after reading on it I'm excited to get it. smile.gif

I don't think my neighbors will be though.

EDIT: Guess I should say was trying to order, but their website is screwing up on my work computer. lol I go to click on an area and the box moves to the other side of the screen and then back when I move my mouse over it. Guess I'll have to order when I'm at home.
Edited by MagicMan3 - 1/15/13 at 11:20am
post #255 of 1194
I'm this close to finalizing my sub choice, but there's something that just rubs me the wrong way.

PB1000, $500/£500.

That's NOT how exchange rates work. It should work out to £310 but everywhere sells it for £500. frown.gif
post #256 of 1194
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ak Gara View Post

I'm this close to finalizing my sub choice, but there's something that just rubs me the wrong way.

PB1000, $500/£500.

That's NOT how exchange rates work. It should work out to £310 but everywhere sells it for £500. frown.gif

Hi,

Welcome to Rip Off Britain! I was just checking prices of these & they are fixed in stone all across the UK. Even in the European Countries which have the same sort of VAT we pay, they are 499 Euros which works out to £413 - that's nearly 20% Cheaper!

Ironically, I was just checking for deals on the SB1000!

Bazzy!
post #257 of 1194
Mine got delivered today!!!!!!










But I wasn't home and Fed Ex wouldn't honor my instructions to leave them. So now
I have to go pick them up at the FED EX store.

Athanasios
post #258 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Ed Mullen View Post

We've seen some anecdotal evidence of this - popping and/or poor bass quality reported on certain parts of Tron.
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

If that proves to be the case I wonder if it's what I'm hearing. I'm not getting the popping sound, but poor bass quality I surely am. Some of it comes across as just a horrible drone, with no dynamics or clarity. There are also sections where it seems the LFE was recorded way too hot.

When the 'clipping recorded in the soundtrack' post first showed up I thought it was probably baloney. What studio would release a movie knowing the soundtrack was like that? But maybe there's some truth to it after all...

Ed, if you want to check into this yourself try from 24:30-26:00. There are many other sections of this blu-ray that highlight the issue, but that's where the Transporters pick up Kevin Flynn and take him back to the base. Their engines drone pretty bad. As I write this I'm listening to it on a $4000 pair of Kreisel Sound DXD-808's, yet it still sounds pretty crappy. It's probably the soundtrack itself, but if you want a reference timestamp you can use that 1.5 minute section.
post #259 of 1194
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Ed, if you want to check into this yourself try from 24:30-26:00. ... that's where the Transporters pick up Kevin Flynn and take him back to the base. Their engines drone pretty bad. As I write this I'm listening to it on a $4000 pair of Kreisel Sound DXD-808's, yet it still sounds pretty crappy.
I know that clip and on my (much derided) ChaseHT subs it rocks! The engines crackle and rumble, with no "droning" to be heard.

Just my 2¢, FWIW and YMMV, of course. smile.gif

The "honking" noises in "Inception", however, are something that afflicted both my PB12-NSD (worried the hell out of me the first time I heard them!) and my ChaseHT subs. Those sounds are most definitely soundtrack-related and not subwoofer-related.
post #260 of 1194
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

I know that clip and on my (much derided) ChaseHT subs it rocks! The engines crackle and rumble, with no "droning" to be heard.

I think you can't tell it's droning because your sub is like the owner; constantly droning. It's hard to differentiate when it's happening all the time...
post #261 of 1194
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I think you can't tell it's droning because your sub is like the owner; constantly droning. It's hard to differentiate when it's happening all the time...
Well, at least you didn't also accuse me of honking. Maybe you're saving that one for another time...? tongue.gif
post #262 of 1194
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

Well, at least you didn't also accuse me of honking. Maybe you're saving that one for another time...? tongue.gif

Nah, all in fun. If you like those subs then no worries. That's all that matters anyway.
post #263 of 1194
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Nah, all in fun. If you like those subs then no worries. That's all that matters anyway.
I figured as much. smile.gif Anyway, I was merely expressing surprise that the PB-1000 (and the Kreisel) would have trouble (if that's the appropriate word) with that clip, given that in my (most humble) experience it's a pretty clean-sounding clip.

Uh-oh...am I droning again? eek.gif

wink.gif
post #264 of 1194
New to the forum. I am setting up a home theater and need to add a sub. I have Definitive Technology UIW BPA's for left and right front, Definitive Technology DI 5.5 for center, and Definitive Technology UIW64 for in ceiling surround. Running a Yamaha RX A820 receiver. Room measurements are approx 20x15 with 8 ft ceilings a d hardwood floors. Now my question is will the SB 1000 mesh well with the Def Tech speakers and will it fill my room? I am past my Iron Maiden days so I am a little more mellow now. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. One last thing, I am digging the $499 price too! Thanks
post #265 of 1194
I'm interested in the PB-1000, but I wonder if will make much difference over what I have now.
My room is about 2900 cu ft with a large opening into a hallway and a smaller opening into the kitchen/dining area.
I have DefTech BP-8060ST's that have so called 10' powered subs. DefTech claims down to 20Hz, probably closer to 28 ~ 30HZ.

Given the size of the room, would there be a "noticeable" difference?
or
Would I be better off waiting until I can afford something better?

The room has limited placement options, and the size is about right for what I have.
post #266 of 1194
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

I figured as much. smile.gif Anyway, I was merely expressing surprise that the PB-1000 (and the Kreisel) would have trouble (if that's the appropriate word) with that clip, given that in my (most humble) experience it's a pretty clean-sounding clip.

I've watched Tron scenes countless times on about a dozen different subwoofers and have yet to hear a single one that sounded good to my ears. I tried the DVD and blu-ray versions as well, and every time I came away thinking it sounded like garbage. No real definition, just noise.

I'd seen a few other posts here and there saying pretty much the same thing, and when I mentioned something about it here a couple of others chimed in with a similar experience, so I figured maybe it wasn't just me. Either way, I stopped using it for reviews because it seemed to make every sub sound like crap.
Edited by JimWilson - 1/15/13 at 8:05pm
post #267 of 1194
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Originally Posted by bamaboom View Post

Room measurements are approx 20x15 with 8 ft ceilings a d hardwood floors. Now my question is will the SB 1000 mesh well with the Def Tech speakers and will it fill my room? I am past my Iron Maiden days so I am a little more mellow now. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. One last thing, I am digging the $499 price too! Thanks

Will the SB1000 blend with your speakers? Probably. Will it fill your room? I have my reservations - that's a lot of space for what's really a pretty small subwoofer. You might want to consider the PB1000 instead.
post #268 of 1194
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Originally Posted by lewdogg View Post

I bought an SB1000 to accompany the RC Micro 5.0 set I gave my dad. I didn't get a chance to listen too long but after configuring with Audyssey and watching a few movies on TV (Iron Man and War Horse were on at the time) it's very impressive. The room is fairly small, around 15x12x8, so the SB is a great fit. Size was the main factor in purchasing a sub and although the SB was a bit over budget, it was a great choice. And considering the 5-year unconditional warranty, I don't think anything in this price/size range can touch it. Didn't have a chance to listen to any music, but from what I've read (and heard), it would be great for a 2.1 system or desktop system.

Good luck!

Thanks for the reply...looking forward to hearing it smile.gif
post #269 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Ak Gara View Post

I'm this close to finalizing my sub choice, but there's something that just rubs me the wrong way.

PB1000, $500/£500.

That's NOT how exchange rates work. It should work out to £310 but everywhere sells it for £500. frown.gif

You can get it for 500 EUR from some European sites + shipping costs. Maybe worth investigating smile.gif
post #270 of 1194
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I've watched Tron scenes countless times on about a dozen different subwoofers and have yet to hear a single one that sounded good to my ears. ... I'd seen a few other posts here and there saying pretty much the same thing ... Either way, I stopped using it for reviews because it seemed to make every sub sound like crap.
Fair enough, and thanks for the clarification. smile.gif

Next time I demo that scene, I will listen to it more critically.
Edited by eljaycanuck - 1/16/13 at 4:47am
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