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post #31 of 840
Great job Canton. Mede8er IMHO is #1 right now even vs. Dune & PCH. I'd just like one thing above rest for them to do: get TV shows jukebox built that's as good as their own Y2M for movies.
post #32 of 840
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

That's correct. I hope they can do that via firmware, but it never happened with their older 1185 players.

I see. So is there a workaround that people are doing to get the forced subtitles to display during the movie? Hopefully it's not a manual one where you look up a movie and find when it displays the forced subtitles, then remember that, and then enable the regular subtitles during the movie at those specific times. I know there was another thread which listed out movies and when their forced subtitles would appear, but I just skimmed it and didn't see what users were doing with those times.

Thanks,
post #33 of 840
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Originally Posted by kikkoman View Post

I see. So is there a workaround that people are doing to get the forced subtitles to display during the movie? Hopefully it's not a manual one where you look up a movie and find when it displays the forced subtitles, then remember that, and then enable the regular subtitles during the movie at those specific times. I know there was another thread which listed out movies and when their forced subtitles would appear, but I just skimmed it and didn't see what users were doing with those times.
Thanks,

I would assume if a workaround is created it would be automatic (i.e. no user intervention). This is definitely an area sorely lacking with the Realtek chips
post #34 of 840
Thread Starter 
V1.0.4 - 7Dec
Changelog
1. Fixed - Embedded mkv subs that do not have language info set.
2. Added additional naming support for auto 3D play for 3D Top and Bottom / Side by Side
3D SBS and TB in File Name - Name file xxxxxxxx.SBS.mkv or xxxxx.TB.mkv - X3D will auto open as 3D
Added 'file.name.3DTAB.mkv' 'file.name.3DSBS.mkv'


ive test the latest version with med600x3d MVC 3D MKV works has advertized, embedded subtitles, external subtitles, in usb with no issues at all, havent chance to streaming looking forward to it.

ps: the subtitles and file name must match and they are case sensitive in order to work
post #35 of 840
So this has the 1186 chip? the prodigy forum seem to say thats the reason their box cant handle playback of 3d isos accross the network - is the 1186 able to handle the transfer rates?
post #36 of 840
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Originally Posted by Metric View Post

So this has the 1186 chip? the prodigy forum seem to say thats the reason their box cant handle playback of 3d isos accross the network - is the 1186 able to handle the transfer rates?

Blu ray 3d isos play fine via NfS (32k) with the 1186 chip. Smb is more problematic.
post #37 of 840
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Originally Posted by canton160 View Post

V1.0.4 - 7Dec
Changelog
1. Fixed - Embedded mkv subs that do not have language info set.
2. Added additional naming support for auto 3D play for 3D Top and Bottom / Side by Side
3D SBS and TB in File Name - Name file xxxxxxxx.SBS.mkv or xxxxx.TB.mkv - X3D will auto open as 3D
Added 'file.name.3DTAB.mkv' 'file.name.3DSBS.mkv'
ive test the latest version with med600x3d MVC 3D MKV works has advertized, embedded subtitles, external subtitles, in usb with no issues at all, havent chance to streaming looking forward to it.
ps: the subtitles and file name must match and they are case sensitive in order to work

By embedded do they mean forced?

Can you verify this for me?

Turn off subtitles globally.
Start a movie with forced subs like Star Wars, Avatar, or District 9 if you have them. If not I can furnish samples.
See if the forced subtitles play.
post #38 of 840
Thread Starter 
i will extract one movie with just english forced subtitles ticked to see how it goes.
post #39 of 840
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Originally Posted by canton160 View Post

i will extract one movie with just english forced subtitles ticked to see how it goes.

Thanks, I really appreciate it. Like I said, if you need a sample I can provide some.
post #40 of 840
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

Thanks, I really appreciate it. Like I said, if you need a sample I can provide some.

it will help please send it
im at work and only have a couple of movies with me.
Edited by canton160 - 12/8/12 at 2:03am
post #41 of 840
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Originally Posted by canton160 View Post

it will help please send it
im at work and only have a couple of movies with me.

I'll take care of this today.
post #42 of 840
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

By embedded do they mean forced?
Can you verify this for me?
Turn off subtitles globally.
Start a movie with forced subs like Star Wars, Avatar, or District 9 if you have them. If not I can furnish samples.
See if the forced subtitles play.

Forced subs do not work, I have already confirmed this (whether in mkv or BluRays)
post #43 of 840
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Originally Posted by Metric View Post

I think that could be my issue - ive switched my readynas to nfs from smb and will test tonight, thanks!

I know the Synology NFS does not work well (actually worse then smb). You can also try making a BluRay 3D mkv (mvc mkv) which should perform better over smb then a folder/ISO rip
post #44 of 840
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Originally Posted by Metric View Post

Yeah, its helped but i still see slowdown on avatar 3d iso and dark knight mkv - im running a readynas ultra 6 in nfs mode now too. Im a little disillusioned by media players - maybe i have to go back to a pc??

I would say right now PCs are the most reliable when it comes to BluRay 3D playback, but even they have their bugs and glitches
post #45 of 840
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Originally Posted by Metric View Post

Yeah, its helped but i still see slowdown on avatar 3d iso and dark knight mkv - im running a readynas ultra 6 in nfs mode now too. Im a little disillusioned by media players - maybe i have to go back to a pc??

I would say right now PCs are the most reliable when it comes to BluRay 3D playback, but even they have their bugs and glitches

 

Interesting comment! That's one of those YMMV cases. I actually have given up on ever getting fully reliable BluRay playback to work on a HTPC after literally years of trying. It got really frustrating once I added 3D to the mix. I switched to a Dune for 2D BluRay playback. It definitely has its shortcomings regarding loading speed or jukebox implementation, but has given me rock solid BluRay playback in return. Based on that track record, I have been leaning towards a 3D media player, rather than a (HT)PC.

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Axel

post #46 of 840
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Originally Posted by Metric View Post

Yeah, its helped but i still see slowdown on avatar 3d iso and dark knight mkv - im running a readynas ultra 6 in nfs mode now too. Im a little disillusioned by media players - maybe i have to go back to a pc??

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Originally Posted by Axel View Post

Interesting comment! That's one of those YMMV cases. I actually have given up on ever getting fully reliable BluRay playback to work on a HTPC after literally years of trying. It got really frustrating once I added 3D to the mix. I switched to a Dune for 2D BluRay playback. It definitely has its shortcomings regarding loading speed or jukebox implementation, but has given me rock solid BluRay playback in return. Based on that track record, I have been leaning towards a 3D media player, rather than a (HT)PC.
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Axel

Also, it is important to mention, many of the popular Blu Ray playback software on PCs (PDVD and TMT5) now have Cinavia which means don't count on playing back your rips. I am not sure if any of the free players can do full Bluray 3D (never tested on a PC). I have always use MPC HC on my HTPCs, but in general HTPCs just require too much upkeep when you have a family involved.
post #47 of 840
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Originally Posted by Metric View Post

Yeah, its helped but i still see slowdown on avatar 3d iso and dark knight mkv - im running a readynas ultra 6 in nfs mode now too. Im a little disillusioned by media players - maybe i have to go back to a pc??

Just to be clear, slowdowns wouldn't be experienced by using an external usb HDD, right?

Thanks.
post #48 of 840
If you connect a USB HDD to this can you access it (read/write) from a PC on the same network?

Thanks
post #49 of 840
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Forced subs do not work, I have already confirmed this (whether in mkv or BluRays)

Even with the firmware that was just released?
post #50 of 840
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

Even with the firmware that was just released?

Yes, forced subs had nothing to do with the firmware
post #51 of 840
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Originally Posted by feadin View Post

Just to be clear, slowdowns wouldn't be experienced by using an external usb HDD, right?
Thanks.

I think with the time it takes, legality, and playback devices never really meeting expectations - im just going to stick to my orginal discs and not bother.
Edited by Metric - 12/9/12 at 1:16am
post #52 of 840
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Originally Posted by Metric View Post

I think with the time it takes, legality, and playback devices never really meeting expectations - im just going to stick to my orginal discs and not bother.

Not sure I understand... I have an older WD media player, which plays fine all files (except 3D) but I'm looking to upgrade to have a media player that passes through DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD (which my old WD does not do), and which supports 3D (which I do not use right now, although I could use it in the future). Media players are great IMO!
post #53 of 840
Just received an email, the 600 is now in stock at media concept USA !
post #54 of 840
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by feadin View Post

Just received an email, the 600 is now in stock at media concept USA !

Its time to test a new jukebox, try YADIS for mede8er last night and WOW easy, easy easy.

http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php/topic,9701.0.html

Support for different languages, and skins.


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Update: I tried Glass revisited skin and its even better.
Edited by canton160 - 12/11/12 at 5:01am
post #55 of 840
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Originally Posted by canton160 View Post

Its time to test a new jukebox, try YADIS for mede8er last night and WOW easy, easy easy.
http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php/topic,9701.0.html
Support for different languages, and skins.
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Update: I tried Glass revisited skin and its even better.

Interesting, I have used yaDIS on my Dunes. Does this mean we can get full TV Show support (which I know yaDIS supports but wasn't sure if it was just a watered down version for the Mede8er similar to YAMJ).
post #56 of 840
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Interesting, I have used yaDIS on my Dunes. Does this mean we can get full TV Show support (which I know yaDIS supports but wasn't sure if it was just a watered down version for the Mede8er similar to YAMJ).

The screenshots do show BSG, whether or not that means proper TV Series support I'm not sure. Just ordered one though, so I'll test it Friday. If it works out I'll see what I have to do to get subs working in the films I need them.
post #57 of 840
Thread Starter 
no tv series yet or xml, but in their route to support it .
post #58 of 840
Question: I was wondering if I plug in a USB external HDD to the 600X, does that drive have to have data in a certain format and can it have other random stuff instead of just movies, tv shows, and music? i probably will only have movies, but I thought I'd just ask in case there are certain random files or folders on the drive.

Also right now, I just have a folder called Movies, then 2D or 3D, and then a folder for each movie with just the 3D iso, which I named Movie.BLURAY.3DBD.ISO. I saw that there was an update to the firmware to allow different naming conventions so that it would pull the correct metadata, but since I'm not using a PCH device, maybe there is no need to rename the files.

Is there any loss in video or audio from a 3D iso file to one which is converted to .mkv mvc? Since I have the original disc and the iso, I can always go and create the .mkv mvc for the 3D's since maybe that works better on some movies.

Thanks,
post #59 of 840
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Originally Posted by kikkoman View Post

Question: I was wondering if I plug in a USB external HDD to the 600X, does that drive have to have data in a certain format and can it have other random stuff instead of just movies, tv shows, and music? i probably will only have movies, but I thought I'd just ask in case there are certain random files or folders on the drive.
Also right now, I just have a folder called Movies, then 2D or 3D, and then a folder for each movie with just the 3D iso, which I named Movie.BLURAY.3DBD.ISO. I saw that there was an update to the firmware to allow different naming conventions so that it would pull the correct metadata, but since I'm not using a PCH device, maybe there is no need to rename the files.
Is there any loss in video or audio from a 3D iso file to one which is converted to .mkv mvc? Since I have the original disc and the iso, I can always go and create the .mkv mvc for the 3D's since maybe that works better on some movies.
Thanks,

I don't see why it wouldn't still work, even with random stuff in there (I access my files from my server and I have random files in there as well)

As far as 3D metadata, I am not sure if you are mixing things up. If you have a BluRay 3D ISO the Mede8er will auto switch into 3D mode (send the signal). What you may have read about was BluRay 3D mkvs. Currently the Mede8er cannot tell that the mkv is a 3D mkv (so if you want to view in 3D you will need to manually switch your tv into 3D mode). However, what Mede8er has done, if the mkv is named a certain way, it will automatically handle the 3D switch (i.e. filename.3DSBS.mkv, filename.3DTAB.mkv, filename.SBS.mkv, and filename.TB.mkv)

As far as creating the 3D mkv, if you are using MakeMKV then it creates a lossless mkv copy of the original disc (i.e. no loss in quality, same as the original source). If you use other tools like DVDFab, etc... they will create 3D mkvs, typically via encoding (common is half SBS). In this case correct, you no longer have a lossless copy. Hope this help.s
post #60 of 840
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I don't see why it wouldn't still work, even with random stuff in there (I access my files from my server and I have random files in there as well)
As far as 3D metadata, I am not sure if you are mixing things up. If you have a BluRay 3D ISO the Mede8er will auto switch into 3D mode (send the signal). What you may have read about was BluRay 3D mkvs. Currently the Mede8er cannot tell that the mkv is a 3D mkv (so if you want to view in 3D you will need to manually switch your tv into 3D mode). However, what Mede8er has done, if the mkv is named a certain way, it will automatically handle the 3D switch (i.e. filename.3DSBS.mkv, filename.3DTAB.mkv, filename.SBS.mkv, and filename.TB.mkv)
As far as creating the 3D mkv, if you are using MakeMKV then it creates a lossless mkv copy of the original disc (i.e. no loss in quality, same as the original source). If you use other tools like DVDFab, etc... they will create 3D mkvs, typically via encoding (common is half SBS). In this case correct, you no longer have a lossless copy. Hope this help.s

Thanks dbone1026! That definitely helps. Yeah, I was mixing up the iso with the mkv's naming and auto switching. I also use MakeMKV, so I'll continue to use that to keep lossless 3D copies of my original if I need to. I mainly use MakeMKV for my 2D movies and just rip the main movie.

Since my trial version of AnyDVD HD is over, I'll need to download the trial of DVDFab and use that for ripping 3D iso's until I can find a deal on the software for either.

Dang, not sure why, but I'm kinda stuck between the 1000X and 600X now. Before I was going to go with the 600X since I wasn't planning on using an internal drive, but seeing how the 3D iso's take up so much room, you can only attach 2 USB external devices, so that space will fill up quicker, and with the 1000X, you can at least have another 2TB internally so that you can get your whole library visible. Oh wait, that's why you have a network share and stream the movies that way. I guess by the time I fill up 2 3TB external drives to attach to the 600X, maybe some firmware fixes will be in place for better network streaming of 3D iso's. I don't have a NAS or anything just a Win 7 64 bit machine that I need to enable NFS on and test when I decide which device to get....Darn, $35 bucks extra for the 1000X or keep that money and invest in more space.......decisions....
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