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post #31 of 74
11/23/12 at 7:56am
I have both Chromapure and Spectracal. though I think it would tend to be idiotic for a casual user to buy each. I only purchased one and the other was given to me for services rendered to the company.

Don't try to guess because you will guess wrong.

Tom Huffman the owner of Chromapure is a neighbor and good friend. He is over at my HT very frequently for testing purposes. So I use Chromapure. It is simple to use. I have the non pro version but with auto cal. Autocal is because I have a Lumagen.

Chromapure and the like are programs which when fed data by a meter which in turns measures certain test patterns enables one using certain controls in the projector menu to set color temperature accross a multipoint gray scale, set gamma, and set the correct coordinate points for various colors visable (ones that your projector can produce). This is not the time or the place to discuss color calibration.

One needs to set other things the program and meter don't deal with. Such as contrast, brightness, sharpness and for these one also uses test patterns either on a test disc, an external processor, a signal generator, or built into your projector. One again, I use the test patterns built into my Lumagen.

If you want to discuss this please give me a call. Its all rather easy though it may not seem so with all the verbiage here.
Edited by mark haflich - 11/26/12 at 11:09am
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post #32 of 74
11/23/12 at 8:27am
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I have both Chromapure and Spectracal. though I think it would tend to be idiotic for a casual user to buy each. I only purchased one and the other was given to me for services rendered to the company.
Don't try a guesss because you will guess wrong.
Tom Huffman the owner of Chromapure is a neighbor and good friend. He is over at my HT very frequently for testing purposes. So I use Chromapure. It is simple to use. I have the non pro version but with auto cal. Autocal is because I have a Lumagen.
Chromapure and the like are programs which when fed data by a meter which in turns measures certain test patterns enables one using certain controls in the projector menu to set color temperature accross a multipoint gray scale, set gamma, and set the correct coordinate points for various colors visable (ones that your projector can produce). This is not the time or the place to discuss color calibration.
One needs to set other things the program and meter don't deal with. Such as contrast, brightness, sharpness and for these one also uses test patterns either on a test disc, an external processor, a signal generator, or built into your projector. One again, I use the test patterns built into my Lumagen.
If you want to discuss this please give me a call. Its all rather easy though it may not seem so with all the verbiage here.

Mark

When usung the Radiance do you know if there is significant difference between Chromapure Autocal and Advanced AutoCal versions

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post #33 of 74
11/23/12 at 10:41am
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Mark
When usung the Radiance do you know if there is significant difference between Chromapure Autocal and Advanced AutoCal versions
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There are a few things but since Tom is frequently here and playing with things I don't pay too much attention. The advanced lets you caliobrate 125 different pioints in the color space triangle but I have not used it because once the primaries and secondaries (in total 6 points and white are calibrated) spot checking of other points show no errors so I have never run it. I believe you can use 75% sat instead of 100% sat ttargets also. There may be a few other things. i would go to the Chromapure site and see what's there.


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post #34 of 74
11/23/12 at 1:53pm
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Mark, I will call you tomorrow. I"m sure today you'll be out shopping black friday :-). And just a heads up. You'll be talking to a dummy when it comes to calibrating a projector (early warning).
Edited by SherazNJ - 11/23/12 at 2:59pm
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post #35 of 74
11/23/12 at 4:29pm
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Hey guys. I just came across this device called Darblet. I know there are many posts on it and that it enhances the picture quality. Does it make sense to buy it even for high end projectors. Since I'm getting Sony VPL-VW95ES, does it still make sense to buy it???? I mean this projector is supposed to produce a very rich image. So does it make sense to buy Darblet if I have this projector? Please keep in mind that it will be displaying on 130" screen.
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post #36 of 74
11/23/12 at 4:33pm
Some people use that with the Sony 1000..
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post #37 of 74
11/23/12 at 4:40pm
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But is it worth it? Is there a good visible difference?
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post #38 of 74
11/23/12 at 5:03pm
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Is anybody here from NJ? I'd be great to get to know someone from same state.
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post #39 of 74
11/23/12 at 5:18pm
Yes. Buy the Darblet. It will improve the apparent sharpness of the 95. I use it with the 1000ES and the 95 is a toy in comparison to the 1000ES. I have a friend who uses it on 1080p feeds into his $100K commercial theater projector. How much improvement does it make? Conservatively about 5% better. Is it worth it? It certainly is worth more than my participation in this thread.participatoin in this thread.

i suspect Mike G. who used to work for mewhen I was sales manager for AV Science suggested it to you. He owns one also. He won't lead you astray.
This is not the thread to start asking aboiut calibration, video processors etc etc. Not that anyone really minds but there is very little participation on this thread, just a few posters and while yopu may be getting one or several of the best people to supply your answers,. you would get much broader points of view by going to the relevant forums and asking about color calibration and video processors there.
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post #40 of 74
11/23/12 at 6:09pm
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Is anybody here from NJ? I'd be great to get to know someone from same state.
Not from NJ but good to know ya' anyway
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post #41 of 74
11/25/12 at 2:58pm
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zombie what do you think about this to calibrate???
http://xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?id=1513&catid=149&action=overview
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post #42 of 74
11/26/12 at 10:26am
Sheraz,
Yes, I'm in Bridgewater NJ with a 95es
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post #43 of 74
11/26/12 at 11:02am
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Oh wowowww. Sending you a PM A.West.
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post #44 of 74
11/26/12 at 11:36am
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Hey guys. I just came across this device called Darblet. I know there are many posts on it and that it enhances the picture quality. Does it make sense to buy it even for high end projectors. Since I'm getting Sony VPL-VW95ES, does it still make sense to buy it???? I mean this projector is supposed to produce a very rich image. So does it make sense to buy Darblet if I have this projector? Please keep in mind that it will be displaying on 130" screen.
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I use a Darbee Darblet with a Sim Lumis on a 122" and 128" screen. It makes an improvement. Get one !
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post #45 of 74
11/27/12 at 7:01pm
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I should be getting my projector in a few days. As far as calibration goes, I'll have it done professionally. Now just need to figure out the mounting part.
This one is an interesting site that calculates how far porjector needs to be and how high it sould be on the ceiling and how high the screen should be (very impressive).
http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/

Based on following inputs:
Screen: 130"
Ceiling Height: 8 ft
Mount Pole length: 3

It tells me that I should have my screen 2 ft high from floor and 8 inches from top. Also projector should be mounted at 16ft 8 inches.

Sounds about right?????????
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post #46 of 74
11/28/12 at 7:36pm
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No responses???????
If someone decides to respond then one more question.
Does HDMI quality make a difference since I need to buy HDMI cable?
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post #47 of 74
12/1/12 at 6:01am
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Yes. Buy the Darblet. It will improve the apparent sharpness of the 95. I use it with the 1000ES and the 95 is a toy in comparison to the 1000ES. I have a friend who uses it on 1080p feeds into his $100K commercial theater projector. How much improvement does it make? Conservatively about 5% better. Is it worth it? It certainly is worth more than my participation in this thread.
Since this thread had gone OT...
In my Darblet material says not for commercial usage, your friend pays commercial lic fee then?
Or is there a even better version out there for us tweakers to buy?
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post #48 of 74
12/1/12 at 5:05pm
He's not saying it is being used commercially, only that his friend has one of those commercial grade projectors. There is a sub forum on them here: http://www.avsforum.com/f/185/d-cinema-equipment-and-theaters
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post #49 of 74
12/2/12 at 7:21am
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Can someone please confirm this?

Calculating where projector needs to be mounted on ceiling.
http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/

Based on following inputs:
Projector: Make Sony, Model vw95
Screen: 130"
Screen gain: 1.3
Ceiling Height: 8 ft
Mount Pole length: 3

putting above paremeters, calculator tells me the following
Current Zoom: 1.3x
Throw distance:16ft 8 in

To my understanding, throw distance means that that's where the projector should be mounted? Am I correct? If yes then can it be mounted a little off (few inches back or forth to make sure it gets mounted on studs)?
What should be the viewing distance?
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post #50 of 74
12/2/12 at 8:58am
1.3 is just the middle of the zoom range, which goes from 1.0 to 1.6, so you have a great deal of flexibility in positioning. You just zoom the projector appropriately. The calculator shows that with your screen size, you can mount anywhere from just over 13 feet all the way back to about 20 feet, so tons of options. Moving the projector forward will increase brightness a bit, but will trade off a tiny bit of contrast. Moving back will have the opposite effect. The brightness effect is more noticeable, generally (though some may argue that point). Somewhere near the mid point is generally a good start, but you have a great deal of flexibility.

Place the screen at whatever height is comfortable to view. The lens has a lens shift feature to adjust for this offset.

Almost any HDMI cable on earth will do the trick, provided it's sufficient gauge for the length of the cable. Don't waste money on the super-expensive ones. Cheap is just fine.

Viewing distance is a personal choice. Some people like to be right up close, filling much of their field of view, where others prefer to be farther back. Sit where it looks good to you. I'm in the "closer" camp - I sit at about 12 feet from a 13-foot wide screen (cinemascope - so when I'm projecting 16x9, I'm less than 10 feet wide).
Edited by Fat Dave - 12/2/12 at 9:14am
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post #51 of 74
12/2/12 at 9:02am
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what about viewing distance?
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post #52 of 74
12/2/12 at 9:15am
Sorry, edited my post a great deal after your reply. Please see above.

Any more q's, ask away!
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post #53 of 74
12/2/12 at 8:33pm
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Thanks so much for such a detail answer Dave. It did clear out my doubts. One quick question about the speakers. Currently I have 5.1 system. Since I'm setting up theater system in the basement, it's a perfect candidate for a 7.1 upgrade. Is it worth it? I mean can 7.1 be utilized more often or only a very selective DVDS come in 7.1
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post #54 of 74
12/3/12 at 9:59am
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He's not saying it is being used commercially, only that his friend has one of those commercial grade projectors. There is a sub forum on them here: http://www.avsforum.com/f/185/d-cinema-equipment-and-theaters
Wow, I totally forgot there is a $$$$$$$ forum here....understood someone has serious coin to burn and adding a $300 gizmo even helps a $100k commercial projector, totally amazing I'd say.
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Thanks so much for such a detail answer Dave. It did clear out my doubts. One quick question about the speakers. Currently I have 5.1 system. Since I'm setting up theater system in the basement, it's a perfect candidate for a 7.1 upgrade. Is it worth it? I mean can 7.1 be utilized more often or only a very selective DVDS come in 7.1
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Protect for the future!!

Moving past 7.1 (5.1) into 9.1 (11.2)....upgrading your HT room via Audyssey DSX or Dolby PL IIz
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1435778/moving-past-7-1-5-1-into-9-1-11-2-upgrading-your-ht-room-via-audyssey-dsx-or-dolby-pl-iiz
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post #55 of 74
12/6/12 at 6:46am
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Ok so finally I got my projector but no screen frown.gif . So I had to build one on my own because my screen will take 3 weeks to be shipped. Anyway, I bought black out white cloth and assemble a 100" screen (no wrinkles). Not a bad screen for $30. When I projected on the screen, the image looks amazing. I mean I watched for an hour with no sound (have to hook wires up) and there were 6-7 times when I ended up saying wowwww. But here is the thing

1 - How much of a difference would I get when I get my StudioTek 130 screen? Is it going to make it 10% or 20% or ...... (what percent in general) better?
2 - There were a few shots where one person was in focus and other was in back ground and whole backgrond was black. In that case I could see very small pixels on the screen. Could it be because I"m
using my home made screen?


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post #56 of 74
12/7/12 at 5:25am
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Ok so finally I got my projector but no screen frown.gif . So I had to build one on my own because my screen will take 3 weeks to be shipped. Anyway, I bought black out white cloth and assemble a 100" screen (no wrinkles). Not a bad screen for $30. When I projected on the screen, the image looks amazing. I mean I watched for an hour with no sound (have to hook wires up) and there were 6-7 times when I ended up saying wowwww. But here is the thing
1 - How much of a difference would I get when I get my StudioTek 130 screen? Is it going to make it 10% or 20% or ...... (what percent in general) better?
2 - There were a few shots where one person was in focus and other was in back ground and whole backgrond was black. In that case I could see very small pixels on the screen. Could it be because I"m
using my home made screen?
Thanks guys.

I can't speak for a studiotek 130 screen, but i had first got a Black Diamond III 1.4 from screen innovations (which i returned shortly). Before putting it up, i was shooting my HW30 at a wall with just some black out fabric on it (which is white/rubber type material) and i was shocked at how good it looked on this "pinned up $10.00 screen".

About 2 weeks later, my screen showed up, and although certain things really dissapointed me about the BDIII screen, the picture looked shockingly sharp and vivid. The colors and contrast, in particular, were very much improved. The green screen that appears before trailers on blu ray was so green and vivid, it really wowed us.
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post #57 of 74
12/7/12 at 7:41am
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he picture looked shockingly sharp and vivid. The colors and contrast, in particular, were very much improved. The green screen that appears before trailers on blu ray was so green and vivid, it really wowed us.

Why did you return it then?
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but i had first got a Black Diamond III 1.4 from screen innovations
Which one do you have now and what is the diff between the screen and the one you painted.

Just trying to figure out what that screen that I spent almost 3k is going to get me as compared to what I have now.
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post #58 of 74
12/7/12 at 8:11am
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Why did you return it then?
Which one do you have now and what is the diff between the screen and the one you painted.
Just trying to figure out what that screen that I spent almost 3k is going to get me as compared to what I have now.

I got a dalite hp 2.4 screen instead. The black diamond was nice for contrast, but had very very noticeable texture (to my eyes, at least). Also, the sony projector
had strange color casts through 3d glasses

The dalite hi power had neither of these problems, and cost 1/3 of the Black Diamond.
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post #59 of 74
12/7/12 at 8:44am
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The dalite hi power had neither of these problems, and cost 1/3 of the Black Diamond.

And after having delite screen, you could see a major differece????? If you have to put in percentage, what would that be (10,15,.....) better?
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post #60 of 74
12/17/12 at 7:04am
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I'm having a small issue with projector. I have projector connected with Receiver using 1.4 High speed HDMI in output and PS3 is connected to receiver using 1.3 HDMI in input. Most of times, projector doesn't detect the device connected until I unplug HDMI cable from output port behid Receiver and connect it back. I have tried restarting Receiver, PS3 and projector as well but projector shows only blue screen until I manually unplug out HDMI cable and plug it back in.

Has anyone faced this issue?
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