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KEF T305 vs Paradigm MilleniaOne vs MartinLogan Motion 4

post #1 of 10
11/21/12 at 5:29am
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Hello,

I am novice to AV stuff and this is my 1st post. I am shopping for a home theater and need your guidance.

What would you recommend based on below options considering the quality and cost? Cost represented is based on the current deals i saw online. Following budgets are doable (except MilleniaOne and MilleniaSub). Is KEF T305 comparable to ML (combo). Does Paradigm worth spending the extra bucks over the other as all of them seem to be high end?

Speaker System:
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1) Paradigm MilleniaOne 5.1
a) Paradigm MilleniaSub (gets too expensive and may not opt for it) ($2500)
b) Paradigm UltraCube 10 ($1950)
c) Martin Logan Dynamo 700 Subwoofer ($1700) - Is this a better combination compare to Paradigm UltraCube 10 or MilleniaSub?

2) KEF T305 ($1500 - Based on the Sale)

3) Martin Logan Motion 4 (L, R, Rear); Martin Logan Motion 8 (Center), Martin Logan Dynamo 700 SubWoofer ($1750)

Receivers to go with any of the above speaker :
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1) Integra 30.4 (Anywhere between $800 to $900)
2) Denon AVR-3313CI ($800 to $900)

Projector:
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EPSON Homecinema 3010e

Appreciate your inputs and suggestions.
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post #2 of 10
11/21/12 at 7:36am
I assume that you are restricting yourself to these small speakers for a reason.

I would recommend the following:

Skip the MilleniaSub, it’s just too expensive for what it offers. Same with the Ultracube, too expensive.

I’d recommend the MilleniaOne 5.0 set with a SVS SB12NSD or the newer SB1000. A number of us on this forum are running the MilleniaOne with the SB12 and they work very well together. The MilleniaOne are some of the best small satellites I’ve heard in a long time, offering excellent tonality and accuracy in a small speaker. If you go with a SVS sub, you can get much of the same performance as the more expensive Paradigm subs.

KEF makes decent stuff but I can’t comment on it since I haven’t heard it.

I wouldn’t recommend the Motion 4, they are pretty much inferior to the Millenia…they are a little ragged sounding and are very constricted in the upper bass region.

Receiver, Either should be fine.
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post #3 of 10
11/22/12 at 12:47am
I like KEF's (auditioning some Q's right now) but I probably wouldn't recommend the the T305 series unless you specifically need or want "flat" speakers. KEF's other small profile (or "lifestyle") speaker series is the Kht3005se and I think they sounds significantly better - accessoriesforless sells the package for $1100 including the Kube2 sub. For this kind of HT "package" the Kube2 is respectable, though I might recommend upgrading to dual subs, or a better single sub, in the future.

+1 re the KEF's or Paradigm's being a step up from the ML Motion series.
Edited by sdg4vfx - 11/22/12 at 12:53am
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post #4 of 10
11/22/12 at 10:50am
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the responses.

If SVS SB12-NSD and ML Dynamo 700 are in the price point, is it still better to go with SVS? I was thinking Dynamo 700 can be wireless enabled and at some point it might help me.

KHT3005SE does seem like a good deal for $1100. Is this preferred over T305 due to the performance and quality difference you get for the price? What if T305 is available around $1400, does it still make KHT3005SE a better choice?

After looking at Accessory4less, i see few other choices which may be available for my price point ($1500 +/- $200).

KEF KHT6000 Satellite speakers for $220. I could not find any valid good/bad reviews on these. I am also not sure what all the other components that might work well with these.
4 x KHT6000 (L, R and Rear??) + KHT6000C or BA or any other Center channels?? + KUBE1 or BA BT1100 12 or some other SUB options?

Will that a step up over all other previous choices?? I could pull the trigger on these quickly before they run out of those deals.
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post #5 of 10
11/22/12 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by elenovi2012 View Post

Thanks for the responses.
If SVS SB12-NSD and ML Dynamo 700 are in the price point, is it still better to go with SVS? I was thinking Dynamo 700 can be wireless enabled and at some point it might help me.
KHT3005SE does seem like a good deal for $1100. Is this preferred over T305 due to the performance and quality difference you get for the price? What if T305 is available around $1400, does it still make KHT3005SE a better choice?
After looking at Accessory4less, i see few other choices which may be available for my price point ($1500 +/- $200).
KEF KHT6000 Satellite speakers for $220. I could not find any valid good/bad reviews on these. I am also not sure what all the other components that might work well with these.
4 x KHT6000 (L, R and Rear??) + KHT6000C or BA or any other Center channels?? + KUBE1 or BA BT1100 12 or some other SUB options?
Will that a step up over all other previous choices?? I could pull the trigger on these quickly before they run out of those deals.

If you check the Sub-Woofer forums the SVS would be favored over the ML Dynamo, probably by a wide margin.

Re the KHT's vs the T305 - The T305's are consider very good for "flat" speakers, but "flat" speakers are generally a compromise acoustically. I've heard both and think the KHT3005SE's are a big step up. (If you're going to buy KEF speakers the ones with Uni-Q drivers, like the KHT's, are the ones to get). The other KEF packages you mention are older and/or smaller, the KHT3005SE is the sweet spot of that list.

The KEF KHT's or the Paradigm MilleniaOne's are likely the best options in the thread. (I've never heard the MilleniaOne's but they get universally excellent reviews.) Listening for yourself is always the best route - both those speaker packages can be purchased with 30 return policies.
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post #6 of 10
11/23/12 at 8:18pm
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Based on your feedback and after working out the wife factor, i went ahead and bought KEF KHT3005SE from accessory4less.com. I figure if KHT3005SE and MilleniaOne are close to being comparable in terms of quality and high end status, then it would be better off keep the extra bucks (atleast $750 diff for speakers and sub together) by buying this at a better deal.

Thank you very much for the advice and also indicating about the deal.

I bought a projector Epson HomeCinema 3010e at a decent price $1299 from VisualApex.com. It does seem like they had better pricing on these projector at present.

Again, thank you very much for all your feedback.
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post #7 of 10
11/23/12 at 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by warpdrive View Post

I assume that you are restricting yourself to these small speakers for a reason.
I would recommend the following:
Skip the MilleniaSub, it’s just too expensive for what it offers. Same with the Ultracube, too expensive.
I’d recommend the MilleniaOne 5.0 set with a SVS SB12NSD or the newer SB1000. A number of us on this forum are running the MilleniaOne with the SB12 and they work very well together. The MilleniaOne are some of the best small satellites I’ve heard in a long time, offering excellent tonality and accuracy in a small speaker. If you go with a SVS sub, you can get much of the same performance as the more expensive Paradigm subs.
KEF makes decent stuff but I can’t comment on it since I haven’t heard it.
I wouldn’t recommend the Motion 4, they are pretty much inferior to the Millenia…they are a little ragged sounding and are very constricted in the upper bass region.
Receiver, Either should be fine.

You acknowledge the OP is looking for small speakers for a reason, but blatantly ignore what the the form factor of the MilleniaSub? It can fit under a couch or next to a couch and in general has the ability to just get out of the way. High performance in an unbeatable size.
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post #8 of 10
11/24/12 at 12:24am
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Originally Posted by elenovi2012 View Post

Based on your feedback and after working out the wife factor, i went ahead and bought KEF KHT3005SE from accessory4less.com. I figure if KHT3005SE and MilleniaOne are close to being comparable in terms of quality and high end status, then it would be better off keep the extra bucks (atleast $750 diff for speakers and sub together) by buying this at a better deal.
Thank you very much for the advice and also indicating about the deal.
I bought a projector Epson HomeCinema 3010e at a decent price $1299 from VisualApex.com. It does seem like they had better pricing on these projector at present.
Again, thank you very much for all your feedback.

Have fun with the new speakers and projector! Two quick things ...

Room acoustics can affect sound a lot so make sure and use your receiver's Audyssey calibration right away (both the receivers you mentioned have it). I also suggest re-calibrating after the speakers have 20 to 50 hours use. In the receivers/amps forums there is an Audyssey sticky that is very helpful.

If you're interested in a 7.1 setup www.kefdirect.com has a black friday sale on the HTS2001.3 - a pair for $200, more than 50% off. (These are the previous version of the KEF speakers you just purchased). Those speakers would make excellent back-surrounds in your setup.
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post #9 of 10
1/16/13 at 9:22pm
Hoping the experts can help me too.

Tossing an old Bose lifestyle 25 for something very similar in this thread. Wife insists on small. I am trying to get best bang for buck while staying small. Looking at the following:

MilleniaOne satellites and center
Pioneer VSX-53
Martin Logan 500 sub

My room is a bit awkward...

18x12 room with vaulted ceilings and hardwood floors. Room extends into open kitchen 12x20 8 ft ceiling.

Looking for recommendation on subwoofer options for room config.

Also, was thinking about Martin Logan 8 for center channel since its seems to reproduce clear spoken dialogue for movies and can be turned off for music. Thoughts?
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post #10 of 10
1/17/13 at 1:05am
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Originally Posted by warpdrive View Post

I assume that you are restricting yourself to these small speakers for a reason.

I would recommend the following:

Skip the MilleniaSub, it’s just too expensive for what it offers. Same with the Ultracube, too expensive.

I’d recommend the MilleniaOne 5.0 set with a SVS SB12NSD or the newer SB1000. A number of us on this forum are running the MilleniaOne with the SB12 and they work very well together. The MilleniaOne are some of the best small satellites I’ve heard in a long time, offering excellent tonality and accuracy in a small speaker. If you go with a SVS sub, you can get much of the same performance as the more expensive Paradigm subs.
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