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post #1831 of 2225
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Originally Posted by pharmdogg View Post



I should note that this is with the backlight at 100.

I feel like I have some other model of this TV. I wonder if they went ahead and used a different panel from their newer 3D 70". Everything is remarkably improved. Granted it does appear I have a very recent build. I should have taken a pix of the box and info from that.

Do you watch at 100?  I'd go blind!

 

While I'm glad you like the new set, keep in mind a lot of emotions at play when you get something new making you think it is SO much better.  Unless both are calibrated to the same settings it is really tough to compare.  Otherwise the brighter one will always look better.  :) 

post #1832 of 2225
I had the old set at 90 and noticed washed out blacks and noticeable flashlighting in the bottom corners so I'm just impressed that at 100 its not having the same issues as before.

I get what you're saying about the new to me feeling right now. Normally I don't bother to post much since I know PQ is sometimes subjective, but I'm genuinely impressed at the improvement.

As far as backlighting, I definitely prefer a picture that pops despite all the WOW calibrations saying otherwise. To me the best picture is one that I like looking at. I just keep it simple these days. I guess I used to care back in the day and even used a SpyderTV to calibrate everything. Now if I have a bright picture with true colors and crisp images along with dark black levels then I'm happy.

To clarify, I'm pretty much blind already so maybe that's why lol
post #1833 of 2225
Pharmdogg:

Flashlighting has been variable set to set, so that may not be a sign of a different panel. Mine is extremely minor. You probably just lucked out like I did. Just hope you don't get the dreaded white spots. :-)
Edited by Bill Ball - 1/24/14 at 11:53pm
post #1834 of 2225
Ok, so I've searched and searched and can't find anything, so. Hoping. For some help.

I just got the 70" vizio e-series from Amazon, it is hooked up to a harman/kardon avr1510 with an xbox, ps3 and uverse box. Everything runs through the amp with just one hdmi to the tv. Yesterday it was great. Today we were watching a movie and the screen went black, there was still audio but no picture. We changed the channel and it came back, when it did it again i out the uverse box straight into the tv to try to isolate the problem. It happened again, it seems to happen when black levels are at the darkest (ie credits or a dark scene) figured I'd ask around before I complain to Amazon and ask for a return or exchange.
post #1835 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Wurzshep19 View Post

Ok, so I've searched and searched and can't find anything, so. Hoping. For some help.

I just got the 70" vizio e-series from Amazon, it is hooked up to a harman/kardon avr1510 with an xbox, ps3 and uverse box. Everything runs through the amp with just one hdmi to the tv. Yesterday it was great. Today we were watching a movie and the screen went black, there was still audio but no picture. We changed the channel and it came back, when it did it again i out the uverse box straight into the tv to try to isolate the problem. It happened again, it seems to happen when black levels are at the darkest (ie credits or a dark scene) figured I'd ask around before I complain to Amazon and ask for a return or exchange.
You're assuming it's not the Uverse box. Do you have another source, e.g., Blu-Ray player? Or do you have another good reason to be certain it's not the Uverse box?
post #1836 of 2225
Yes, I also hooked the PS3 directly and we were streaming Netflix, it went out again, but as soon as you touch anything (volume, channel, any button) it comes right back.....it's almost like a sleep mode or energy saver or something. I'm hoping its a setting and not a problem.....I may be optimistic though.
post #1837 of 2225
Today I noticed a long green stripe on the left side of the screen that spans top to bottom.
Has anyone noticed this?
It's most apparent when I have the brightness and color settings turned up in black source color.
post #1838 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Wurzshep19 View Post

Yes, I also hooked the PS3 directly and we were streaming Netflix, it went out again, but as soon as you touch anything (volume, channel, any button) it comes right back.....it's almost like a sleep mode or energy saver or something. I'm hoping its a setting and not a problem.....I may be optimistic though.

Have you tried removing the AVR from the connection? Just bypass the AVR and see if you still have the same issue. May be a good excuse to upgrade smile.gif
post #1839 of 2225
Has anyone here with either the A3 or A3e had issues playing 1080p/24 sources? My receiver can up-scale input sources to 1080p/24, but when I do this the picture on my A3e stutters a lot. It is particularly noticeable during action scenes and sports viewing, regardless of whether smoothing is disabled or with smoothing on high and cinema mode on smooth.
post #1840 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Anon314 View Post

Has anyone here with either the A3 or A3e had issues playing 1080p/24 sources? My receiver can up-scale input sources to 1080p/24, but when I do this the picture on my A3e stutters a lot. It is particularly noticeable during action scenes and sports viewing, regardless of whether smoothing is disabled or with smoothing on high and cinema mode on smooth.

What is the original source you are upscaling?  I ask because I wouldn't call scaling anything to 24p upscaling.  Normal TV is 60p or 60i and will look terrible converted to 24p.

 

And many people who have not seen the true 24p cadence without pulldown tend to notice more frame rate judder than on their previous, typically smaller TV.

 

So if short you should not be scaling everything in the receiver to 24p.  If you have a 24p source like Blu-ray just leave it as is.  If you want to scale other sources like cable or satellite scale them to 1080p60.  But note the TV will also scale everything too so arguement can be made to just pass through the signal untouched to the TV.

post #1841 of 2225
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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post


So if short you should not be scaling everything in the receiver to 24p.  If you have a 24p source like Blu-ray just leave it as is.  If you want to scale other sources like cable or satellite scale them to 1080p60.  But note the TV will also scale everything too so arguement can be made to just pass through the signal untouched to the TV.

Thanks. I think I had a fundamental misunderstanding of what up-scaling actually does. I fielded a somewhat similar response regarding up-scaling non-HD content on my AVR's owners thread. I need to get Blu Ray.
Edited by Anon314 - 1/26/14 at 12:32pm
post #1842 of 2225
Everything is a direct connection now, DEF the tv not the avr(which is new). Contacted Vizio, the said unplug and restart...wow, thx never thought of that tech support! Lol
post #1843 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Wurzshep19 View Post

Everything is a direct connection now, DEF the tv not the avr(which is new). Contacted Vizio, the said unplug and restart...wow, thx never thought of that tech support! Lol

try different HDMI cable?

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Sorry, posted in the wrong forum.  Is there a way to delete a post?


Edited by aaroncledge - 1/26/14 at 1:50pm
post #1845 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Anon314 View Post

The tech I spoke with at Vizio told me that he didn't "think" the Professional settings could be sent out in a firmware update but rather, had to be programmed into the sets at the factory.

So anyone with the professional settings firmware can't receive new firmware either or will they receive different updates????
post #1846 of 2225
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

So anyone with the professional settings firmware can't receive new firmware either or will they receive different updates????
It would seem odd to have two different firmware update paths for the same model TV. I'm expecting we all eventually get what's being installed recently despite what Vizio tech said.
post #1847 of 2225
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

So anyone with the professional settings firmware can't receive new firmware either or will they receive different updates????
I didn't get into a big back and forth with the Vizio "tech" about it, but I interpreted his statement to me as indicating the latter. He could be wrong. As Bill Ball said, it would be odd to have two different firmware update paths for the same model. That said, the tech seemed pretty certain that it wasn't going to be available for the A3e, and I think I have version 2.0.33 on my set (I can double check this later).
Edited by Anon314 - 4/1/14 at 5:59pm
post #1848 of 2225
I picked up this set last month. My question is I was able to get the PIP working but I can not get the audio from the PIP source. Is there a way to swap audio between the main picture and the PIP?
post #1849 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Anon314 View Post

I didn't get into a big back and forth with the Vizio "tech" about it, but I interpreted his statement to me as indicating the latter. He could be wrong. As Bill Ball said, it would be odd to have two different firmware update paths for the same model. That said, the tech seemed pretty certain that it wasn't going to be available for the A3e, and I think I have version 2.0.33 on my set (I can double check this later).

If someone else wants to call Vizio and try to get to the bottom of this, more power to them. I'm done dealing with them for the time being.
A3e is a different model designation than A3. Although there has been debate about what the "e" signifies, statements about that model may not be relevant to the A3. We'll just have to wait and see.
post #1850 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Anon314 View Post

I didn't get into a big back and forth with the Vizio "tech" about it, but I interpreted his statement to me as indicating the latter. He could be wrong. As Bill Ball said, it would be odd to have two different firmware update paths for the same model. That said, the tech seemed pretty certain that it wasn't going to be available for the A3e, and I think I have version 2.0.33 on my set (I can double check this later).

If someone else wants to call Vizio and try to get to the bottom of this, more power to them. I'm done dealing with them for the time being.

Just curious, where does it show the A3e designation, is it in the system info in the help menu or just on the box?
post #1851 of 2225
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

Just curious, where does it show the A3e designation, is it in the system info in the help menu or just on the box?

I had to double check, but it's on both.
Edited by Anon314 - 2/19/14 at 7:29pm
post #1852 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Anon314 View Post

I had to double check, but it's on both:




Thanks. I just got a replacement from Vizio a few weeks ago & wanted to be sure mine was not an "e" version
post #1853 of 2225
Just picked up mine and it seems to be the older model. Is there anyway to force the firmware update our do you just have to wait? Still looks very nice BTW.
post #1854 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Bill Ball View Post

Bought an E701i-A3 from Costco online a little over a week ago after the recent $200 price drop ($1479, free shipping). Delivered in 3 days. I had been perusing this and other 70s over the last year. Missed the Walmart BF sale, but am happy with the Costco purchase that includes the warranty extension and free shipping (wouldn't fit in my car).

Over all I'm VERY pleased with this TV. I'm coming from a top end 46" Samsung LN8500 local-dimming LCD from 2011. Although the screen lightens a lot more than my old Samsung when turned on, I haven't seen any disappointing grayness watching TV so far (See my note below about turning backlight WAY down in dark rooms.). The stock settings are quite good in "standard" mode. The alternative picture setting profiles are goofy. Vivid certainly is with color set at a totally crazy 100. Turning color down to 50 on all the alternative picture setting profiles makes most of them acceptable. I calibrated my set with HCFR and my Eye1Display2 and ended up with settings far different than CNET and got an almost a perfect grayscale with a DeltaE of 1-2 across most of the range. I needed to raise the blue gain a LOT and lower red and green gain to get it there as well as tweak the red offset a bit, while CNET left the offsets unchanged. Maybe this is because I used Standard instead of Movie. I'll go back and try Movie mode (I did and it requires a LOT less blue gain and MORE red.). Color is essentially spot on at 50 and tint 0 [the CIE triangle is close but not perfect but fiddling with color and tint improved some area while worsening others, so 50 and 0 are OK. 46, -3 made a marginal improvement]. Ideal brightness is 51 and contrast is 73 using the HD709 disc tests for black and white levels. Anything over 3 on sharpness introduces artifacts. The "smooth" setting does introduce a dramatic soap opera effect but otherwise is quite successful at blur reduction. I turned off all the other processing as most people do. My settings got color temp, gamma and gray scale all much closer than CNET. Of course, some video experts state that settings will vary from unit to unit.

With these settings the image is very bright and I see no flaws like banding or dithering. My screen has a very minor series of dark and light flashlighting across the bottom that seem to be lessening over time perhaps as stress in the panel mounts evens out. With my current seating arrangement at 10 feet from the screen, this thing is huge and engrossing. I worried that I might see some aliasing of edges at this short distance, but the image is stunning and sharp with a good image source, even at 4-5 feet distance.

One of the main drivers for buying this set has been the rock bottom price among 70 inchers. But despite that, the color fidelity, brightness and image clarity of this set is excellent. Also, I was surprised by the relatively good audio quality (well, for a TV), although I always use my home theater system. The main disappointment for me is the limited codec support of the media player, although I am trying some media servers that should alleviate that limitation, and my Blu-Ray player does far better at that anyway. [Update: For those who want to use the TV for media play, I found Mezzmo server software completely solves all problems. It's not free ($29 after a 15 day free trial), but I found it was MUCH simpler, faster and more reliable than Serviio and any other server software I tried. The only thing I had to do to get it to work was to go into the software's Media Server menu and correct the profile selected under Media Devices. Use the IP address to identify the right device if you have several, then make sure it uses the Vizio Smart TV profile. Even though I selected Vizio during setup, it picked the wrong profile (Panasonic). After I fixed that EVERY file I tried player perfectly. Whatever transcoding was going on was amazingly fast. No other media server software could do that.]

It does appear Vizio still suffers from a fair share of durability issues. I've got 3 years coverage with Costco and Amex. The days of the 20 year TV (like my original Sony Trinitron) are gone, and with technology advancing so rapidly, that's not an issue anyway.

In the FWIW category, here are my settings:

Mode: Standard
Backlight 75 (This is personal taste. 75 is very bright.)
Brightness: 51
Contrast: 73
Color 50 (maybe a bit oversaturated, especially red and green; try 46 if you agree. That marginally improved the CIE triangle red spot)
Tint: 0 (-3 brought magenta closer but over all worsened other CIE spots)
Sharpness: 3 (zero for purists)

NOTE: For viewing movies in a very dark room I turn the backlight all the way down to 15-30 (even further - try 0-15 with some movies. That reduces light bleed to its lowest). This improves the black level performance, nearly eliminating grayness in "black" bars and over all provides a stunning theater-like image. There is some minimal effect on color temp, but the settings below are fine.

Color temp:
Mode: Normal (Note this mode measures quite red initially whereas "Computer" and "Cool" are quite blue)
Red Gain: 120
Green Gain: 103
Blue gain: 153
Red offset: 124
Green offset: 128
Blue offset: 128

Smooth motion effect: Off
Real Cinema Mode: Smooth [grayed out]
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Color Enhancement: Off
Adaptive Luma: Off [Uh, I kinda like the effect of luma "strong" setting on detail in shadows with my dark room backlight setting.]
Film Mode: Auto
Backlight Control: Off
Ambient Light sensor: Off

This achieves a good grayscale. The gamut triangle is wide in the primary colors and the gamma ramps from 2.4 in low IRE to 1.9 in high IRE with red showing the biggest change over the range. Can't seem to improve that.

UPDATE 1/8/2014: I did a whole lot more calibrating. I tried all kinds of combinations of picture and color temp modes and even flipping some of the advanced processing on. I tried to move the color gamut to correct some errors but you only have color and tint for that. I got somewhat closer on my meter, but none of these technically more accurate gray scales and color settings looked very good to me after viewing a variety of material. So, here's where I ended up. I can't call this an accurate profile, but it looks best to me.

Picture mode: STANDARD
Backlight 50-75 daytime, lower at night to taste. Lowering darkens black bars.
Brightness 48-50 (Technically 48-49 tests right on for blacks at higher contrast)
Contrast 73-77 (73 if you run color at 50 as blue clips at higher contrast at color 50) This gets you whites to about 244-251.
Color 42-50 (Technically with the advanced settings I show below color tests oversaturated at 50 and right on at 42. But as I think we are so used to the punch of a little oversaturation, 46-47 probably will look better to most. 50 might even look better but careful with contrast clipping blue as mentioned)
Tint -5 to 0. (Again with the advanced settings below, tint tests as -5. But on some material a shift to red was obvious, so 0 is OK if you like it better.

Color Temp Mode: CUSTOM (or Cool or Computer) all settings at 128. Any of these modes appear the same at 128 settings.

Advanced settings: All OFF except
Color Enhancement: Normal
Adaptive Luminance: Extend

OK, go ahead and flame me for suggesting the above settings. I haven't even metered it, but all my test material looks fabulous. Fleshtones are real and all the other colors appear truer than with my meter calibrated settings. The adaptive luminance surprised me. Try a golf match. With it off, the grass looks flat and dull. Switched on there is a definite more lifelike texture. I can't see adverse effects. It doesn't crush whites or blacks. It definitely blows the gamma way up on the high end, so, I suppose I should see some distortion, but I don't and average gamma tests 2.2. Try these settings and let me know what you see.

Here's a shot taken tonight from Avatar Blu-Ray by my handheld camera phone at 3 feet from the screen. Backlight 30. The screen looks slightly crisper and more saturated than the photo. Click the image to get a larger view. That's a pretty remarkable image for such a close distance from the screen. I'm still quite happy with the TV.


I bought a -A3E last month. Thank you very much Bill Ball for posting your settings. I am amazed at how good the picture is. Your updated setting seemed crazy before I tried them, but they work well. I don’t know how I can repay you.

Bob
post #1855 of 2225
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Originally Posted by pgolimowski View Post

Just picked up mine and it seems to be the older model. Is there anyway to force the firmware update our do you just have to wait? Still looks very nice BTW.

Just connect it to the internet and it should update to the latest firmware automatically when you start the TV.
post #1856 of 2225
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Yes, my Vizio unit was excellent for about 8 months, but then the bright spots started appearing... and multiplying...

The third unit is being delivered this Friday. Crossing my fingers that I won't get a lemon like the second unit.

By the way, I still possess and use a 30 year old Sony Trinitron. Works well for a SD TV!
post #1857 of 2225
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Originally Posted by fsimms View Post


Bob: Glad you like the settings. I have continued to calibrate and fiddle with settings and have changed my mind a number of times and have done this various ways. Here are my current settings as of today. These are NOT meter calibrated. I was not happy with all the weird settings even though it ended up with a much more accurate grayscale, gamma and color temp, according to my meter. You can see as my settings evolved that I added some of the advanced settings that blew the calibration anyway. Anyway, here's todays....

Picture Mode: Standard (with Movie, whites look too yellow to me)
Backlight 88 (Yes, very bright, for daylight, but I use the ambient light sensor settings later to tame this for night time. Or alternatively you can just turn backlight down manually in dark settings.)
Brightness: 49 (49-50 seems to test correct)
Contrast: 74 (leaves white through 244 in tact)
Color 48
Tint: -1 (Color and tint settings are a compromise using all 3 primary color filters)
Sharpness: 3 (zero for purists)

Color Temp: Custom - this is blue biased but I like it over all even with all settings left 128 (got tired of calibrating nine different ways.)

Advanced Settings:
Smooth motion effect: Off (For everyday you might set this medium to smooth out pans and motion.)
Real Cinema Mode: Off
Noise Reduction: Off (I can't see any adverse effects from Low, nor benefits)
MPEG NR: Off (Same comment as Noise Reduction)
Color Enhancement: Off
Adaptive Luma: Off (Some of the settings really change the color balance. Low adds some detail. It throws the gamma off, but don't feel guilty if you like one of the active settings. Try them.)
Film Mode: Auto
Backlight Control: Off
Ambient Light sensor: Medium (or High. I use this now so I don't have to fiddle with the backlight. I'm trying to get a single setting profile that works for both day and night, and this isn't bad with the 88 backlight setting. High is the least change - it leaves the backlight higher in dark settings.)

I can't technically defend any of the above. But I've studied a number of reference videos and the picture makes me happy. Difficult colors (grass, skin) look good to me. I watched "Into the Wild" and "Water for Elephants" last night and was impressed.
Edited by Bill Ball - 1/28/14 at 3:58pm
post #1858 of 2225
Just got the tv today. Loving it so far.
Regarding the firmware. I have ver 2.0.21. I called the rep and they said give it 48 hours after it has been connected to the internet.
If it does not update to the latest version during that time, she would push through an update.
She was really cool about it.

I am impressed with the pic right now. Could be the "wow" new tv factor. But coming from a Panasonic plasma, I can say that I am not finding anything that looks way worse.
Again, probably the wow factor right now but I am impressed.

There was a collection of peoples picture settings for my Panasonic on these forums. Everyone had grouped all there settings into one page. Does a page with pictures settings exist for this tv?
post #1859 of 2225
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Originally Posted by iitywygms View Post

Just got the tv today. Loving it so far.
Regarding the firmware. I have ver 2.0.21. I called the rep and they said give it 48 hours after it has been connected to the internet.
If it does not update to the latest version during that time, she would push through an update.
She was really cool about it.

I am impressed with the pic right now. Could be the "wow" new tv factor. But coming from a Panasonic plasma, I can say that I am not finding anything that looks way worse.
Again, probably the wow factor right now but I am impressed.

There was a collection of peoples picture settings for my Panasonic on these forums. Everyone had grouped all there settings into one page. Does a page with pictures settings exist for this tv?

Someone did something similar here on page 45 (post #1341) of this thread, although I'm not sure how current that post is. There have probably been some settings posted since that was last updated.
post #1860 of 2225
I have been playing with the settings using the disney wow disc.
Everything is coming up with "normal" numbers except the contrast. According to the disc I need to jack contrast up to 95 in order to be "correct"
I know everything is subjective, and what looks good to me is what is right. But 95 seems pretty high.
I will continue messing and see what happens.
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