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post #61 of 426
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I am so glad the few in this thread are trying to make a film millions enjoyed better, thanks for that. You are the real heroes.
post #62 of 426
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

I am so glad the few in this thread are trying to make a film millions enjoyed better, thanks for that. You are the real heroes.
Yes, quite! There are incongruities and plot holes in any of the Bond films you'd care to name. The fact is, Bond has almost always been style over substance - the important thing to me is whether the film is any fun or not. I found Quantum of Solace to be awful - jittery camera, rapid cuts that were often worse than anything in Dark City, and a plot that just fell over under the weight of its own exposition. Skyfall was simple, compelling, and above all else a great deal of fun.
Edited by DJ Mike TJG - 11/30/12 at 4:06am
post #63 of 426
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Originally Posted by Spiritual_Chaos View Post

A bad script with a lousy climax. I think that Brosnans Bond had more personality and wasn't as dull as Craigs so I'm not a huge fan of these three films to begin with.

Skyfall, a bad script and lousy climax? And you think Brosnan's had more personality and wasn't as dull as Craig's? I watched Die Another Day and Tomorrow Never Dies recently, and as much as I enjoy them it is OBVIOUS from beginning to end that Craig's portrayal shows a Bond with more depth and complexity (thinking of the green screen iceland surf sequence or the invisible Vanquish, it's hard not to laugh as I write this). Brosnan films were all about spectacle and action, which is fine but don't say it had more personality. Craig's Bond is a very lonely man, flawed, wounded, someone we even saw fall in love (when did that happen before Craig?), and yet at the same time witty, strong and classy. With Skyfall they're introducing characters (I don't want to spoil anything for those who haven't seen it) who will help refreshing the series and at the same time ensure its legacy. More than once, some scenes in Skyfall felt more "bond" than ever, including the excellent Adele's opening song, which is unfairly criticized by some (but as susal these days, when something is good it's always better - and easy - to diss it, to show the masses how dumb they are as opposed to the smarter ones). Give me Adele over Madonna, Garbage or Duran Duran any day.
post #64 of 426
Regarding the questions (or challenges) about Silva, I will admit that there are some resemblances to TDK or even the Avengers for that matter. But I personally didn't find anything to be wrong or absurd about it. Mainly because I liken Silva to that of the Joker. He doesn't care so doing "what was previously noted" (didn't want to repeat the potential spoilers), wasn't so absurd to me. To me it was a cat toying with a mouse kind of thing. The purpose to that happening wasn't because it was required to get to M, he could have done that with "the explosion". He did it because he could and he wanted to prove his capability, control and even power. He was arrogant and extreme and wanted to create intense fear and chaos before the suffering and ultimately killing. He was going after the whole beauracracy with M being the cherry on top.
post #65 of 426
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The only good Brosnan is the one that was intended for Dalton
post #66 of 426
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

Horrible script, horrible director.
Why people are swooning over this film is a big surprise and puzzle, but then again people swooned over Prometheus.
I own all of the Bond films on Blu-ray, as a completist I'll be adding this to the collection, even though I consider Skyfall to be a big disappointment.

" That’s just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs.”
post #67 of 426
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

The only good Brosnan is the one that was intended for Dalton
I still enjoyed Tomorrow Never Dies quite a bit, even though it was dumb as hell. The other two... meh. Die Another Day had a couple of great sequences but was otherwise just absolutely terrible. I like Brosnan but I really don't like a few of his Bond films.
post #68 of 426
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Craig's Bond is a very lonely man, flawed, wounded, someone we even saw fall in love (when did that happen before Craig?)

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post #69 of 426
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

The only good Brosnan is the one that was intended for Dalton

And even it's not that great.
post #70 of 426
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Your not wrong, even Nolan stole from the Dalton movies
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And even it's not that great.
post #71 of 426
OK: I can't resist. I really liked the Brosnan Bond's, and I really like the Craig ones (so far, each batch had one that was a bit of a clunker).

I still think that GoldenEye SAVED the Bond franchise: if there ever was a time when the future financial viability of the franchise was on the fence, it was with GoldenEye (and it delivered on all fronts).
post #72 of 426
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Originally Posted by Stanton View Post

OK: I can't resist. I really liked the Brosnan Bond's, and I really like the Craig ones (so far, each batch had one that was a bit of a clunker).
I still think that GoldenEye SAVED the Bond franchise: if there ever was a time when the future financial viability of the franchise was on the fence, it was with GoldenEye (and it delivered on all fronts).
I certainly loved it at the time. But it hasn't really held up well, IMO. I still enjoy it, but I don't think it's as good of a movie now as I did then.
post #73 of 426
I was underwhelmed by Skyfall. I don't think it's terrible, mind you. Just not as good as the hype. My biggest problem with the Craig Bond's is that they actually aren't departing from the formula enough. They clearly want to go for a darker, more angst ridden, conflicted Bond (which Craig is suited for) but they never go all the way with it, so the films end up neither here nor there for me. They are still enough like the old, outlandish Bond's that they remind me they aren't as fun as the old outlandish Bond's. And they aren't complex enough character-wise to compete with something like the Bourne films or Nolan's Batman films. So they are stuck in a dull no man's land for me. Skyfall is a certainly one of the best looking and classiest Bond films, and Bardem did a great job with Silva, but that's about it. The story didn't do much for me.
post #74 of 426
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Dalton did that version of Bond, but way too early
post #75 of 426
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

Regarding the questions (or challenges) about Silva, I will admit that there are some resemblances to TDK or even the Avengers for that matter. But I personally didn't find anything to be wrong or absurd about it. Mainly because I liken Silva to that of the Joker. He doesn't care so doing "what was previously noted" (didn't want to repeat the potential spoilers), wasn't so absurd to me. To me it was a cat toying with a mouse kind of thing. The purpose to that happening wasn't because it was required to get to M, he could have done that with "the explosion". He did it because he could and he wanted to prove his capability, control and even power. He was arrogant and extreme and wanted to create intense fear and chaos before the suffering and ultimately killing. He was going after the whole beauracracy with M being the cherry on top.

Also, why is it that people don't seem to be picking up on the fact that the guy is batsh*! crazy? Cyanide poisoning fried his brain. His plan isn't supposed to make logical sense, because he's a loony nutbag. He wants to punish M, and he wants to do it in person, to watch her suffer. Crafting the most efficient and rational strategy to assassinate her remotely doesn't interest him. He fully expects to die after accomplishing his goal, and doesn't care.
Edited by Josh Z - 11/30/12 at 11:02am
post #76 of 426
Josh, I agree with that completely. He was a complete maniac. And he wanted to humiliate M, kill her and then go out in a blaze of glory.
post #77 of 426
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Also, why is it that people don't seem to be picking up on the fact that the guy is batsh*! crazy? Cyanide poisoning fried his brain. His plan isn't supposed to make logical sense, because he's a loony nutbag. He wants to punish M, and he wants to do it in person, to watch her suffer. Crafting the most efficient and rational strategy to assassinate her remotely doesn't interest him. He fully expects to die after accomplishing his goal, and doesn't care.

Agreed.

Also...phrase for the weekend...."Looney Nutbag"! That's definitely gonna appear in a conversation or two with my friends over the weekend. biggrin.gif
post #78 of 426
Personally, I think many people who don't like Skyfall simply didn't get what they expected going in. What I mean is, I think Skyfall was a very good film but not what many Bond fans expected so it appeared to be a let down. Skyfall kind of takes the franchise in a new direction, I keep using the word "reboot" loosley, but it was never really set up that way during the junkets as such. I think if people had more of that feel going in many of the comments would be different. I know personally, I expected something more in line with Casino Royale but it just wasn't that. But I still felt it was very good. I accept Craig as a believable post 9/11 Bond so that wasn't/isn't a hurdle for me. It did however take me a little time to get into the tone of Skyfall because, again, it was so different.
post #79 of 426
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

re Skyfall:
I was absolutely amazed at the beauty of Roger Deakins cinematography. Such gorgeous lighting and composition from one frame to the next. I constantly felt I was watching a master crafstman at the top of his game. I really enjoyed almost all aspects of the movie (I agree the pacing started to sag in the last 3rd of the movie) but it would have tremendous re-play value in my home theater even just on the cinematography.

I agree about the cinematography on this film. It was quite excellent! This movie is a must have for my collection.
post #80 of 426
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Skyfall, a bad script and lousy climax? And you think Brosnan's had more personality and wasn't as dull as Craig's? I watched Die Another Day and Tomorrow Never Dies recently, and as much as I enjoy them it is OBVIOUS from beginning to end that Craig's portrayal shows a Bond with more depth and complexity (thinking of the green screen iceland surf sequence or the invisible Vanquish, it's hard not to laugh as I write this). Brosnan films were all about spectacle and action, which is fine but don't say it had more personality. Craig's Bond is a very lonely man, flawed, wounded, someone we even saw fall in love (when did that happen before Craig?), and yet at the same time witty, strong and classy. With Skyfall they're introducing characters (I don't want to spoil anything for those who haven't seen it) who will help refreshing the series and at the same time ensure its legacy. More than once, some scenes in Skyfall felt more "bond" than ever, including the excellent Adele's opening song, which is unfairly criticized by some (but as susal these days, when something is good it's always better - and easy - to diss it, to show the masses how dumb they are as opposed to the smarter ones). Give me Adele over Madonna, Garbage or Duran Duran any day.
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I have to agree. If you're not a fan of the current, more complex Bond, you probably wouldn't enjoy Flemming's books. I haven't seen Skyfall yet, but based on the reviews so far, I doubt I'll be disappointed. Sounds like the best real Bond flick yet!



Ian
post #81 of 426
After some reflection I have decided that this is the "Empire Strikes Back" of the more recent Bond films.
post #82 of 426
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Originally Posted by Stanton View Post

I really liked the Brosnan Bond's

I have them all except Tomorrow Never Dies. It was like QoS, a eject for some of the same reasons.
post #83 of 426
Huge Bond fan here, absolutely loved Skyfall. Top 3 movie IMHO for me, and it could easily be #2 on my fav list with more viewings. Keep making them like this.. The movie just passed Avatar as the highest grossing movie in the UK, so they clearly are doing something right with the franchise and getting more people to go see it. My wife, who is not a huge Bond fan but has seen them all, thought Skyfall was the best Bond by far, so it does seem to appeal to women more.

Can't wait for the Blu.. Day one buy for me, and there is spot waiting for it in my 50th Collectors Edition box set.
post #84 of 426
I watched this in a regular digital theater and it definitely was taller than 16:9.
Are they really going with a 2.39 for the blu ray? Extremely disappointing if true.
post #85 of 426
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Originally Posted by ssjLancer View Post

I watched this in a regular digital theater and it definitely was taller than 16:9.
Are they really going with a 2.39 for the blu ray? Extremely disappointing if true.
If it was taller than 16:9 then your theater was projecting it wrong. 2.39:1 is the correct AR except for the IMAX screenings which are open-matte (though still 1.9:1 or so I believe). Getting the film in the aspect ratio it was framed for is not something I'd call "extremely disappointing".
post #86 of 426
The Swedish steelbook shows 2.40:1 for the aspect ratio - http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Skyfall-Blu-ray/62886/
post #87 of 426
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Your not wrong, even Nolan stole from the Dalton movies

I'm not sure stole is the right word though. It's not like he wants keep his influence(s) a secret. Besides, except for the Licence To Kill opening sequence, I don't see much of Dalton's 007 films in the TDK trilogy.

...Just watched them in the holidays (Daltons), cheesy, kitsch (well, 80s!), but a lot of fun and good action!
post #88 of 426
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Originally Posted by neveser View Post

The Swedish steelbook shows 2.40:1 for the aspect ratio - http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Skyfall-Blu-ray/62886/

awesome stuff looking forward in watching this. smile.gif
post #89 of 426
did anyone catch the political message in skyfall?

in 2013 scotland can vote for independence.

ofcours England is not happy about that. so the summer olympics was all britain.

in skyfall we see this same britisch message. britisch flags everywhere. britisch helicopters ,scotland cleverly written in the plot. although personally i thought that it was actually the weakest point in the whole movie.

now to even more bizarre. this is far strecthed by fun none the less.

if everybody watched the finals of tennis between murray and federer at the olympics it was an odd game. federer played like he didnt care to win.

now keep this in mind. the father of james bond is scottish. his mother is from switserland.

murray is from scotland. federer from switserland. mind is blown and the game was rigged smile.gif
post #90 of 426
Originally Posted by d3code View Post
did anyone catch the political message in skyfall?
in 2013 scotland can vote for independence.
ofcours England is not happy about that. so the summer olympics was all britain.
in skyfall we see this same britisch message. britisch flags everywhere. britisch helicopters ,scotland cleverly written in the plot. although personally i thought that it was actually the weakest point in the whole movie.
now to even more bizarre. this is far strecthed by fun none the less.
if everybody watched the finals of tennis between murray and federer at the olympics it was an odd game. federer played like he didnt care to win.
now keep this in mind. the father of james bond is scottish. his mother is from switserland.
murray is from scotland. federer from switserland. mind is blown and the game was rigged smile.gif

This.

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