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So then, I set up our home theater 9 years ago in 2003.

I have an InFocus ScreenPlay 7200, Stewart Firehawk 106", ceiling mount, dark brown and blue/black paint in the room, with dark floors and lighting taken care of, projector to screen is 14'. We use the Xbox as the DVD player and stream only Netflix, Amazon, and other online services through the Xbox.

Primarily, it's a movie room however I do use it for my Kinect and I do have to have the lights on because it's my workout room and if they're not on, the moves aren't registered correctly.

The SP began to have some issues a month back, so I'm figuring on a new projector for Christmas. I truly don't see us needing 3D as we don't own any movies in 3D and as far as I know, that's not a streaming option. We might pick up a Blu-ray player for Christmas as well, however we only own one (it was actually cheaper to buy the Avengers DVD as part of the Blu-ray set...).

So the past month has been reading and researching and I'm on numerical overload. This was a different world 9 years ago.....

From what I can garner on the major home theater forums, many people have a 2D projector and a separate 3D one. Not in our budget.

I'm nervous about jumping to an LCD projector as my brain is still in the DLP world. Reading for the past month has only caused more confusion (other than the basic, if I have it right, is DLP=better black, LCD=better 3D). I've been looking at the BenQ W7000 & Epson 5020UBe and many others, but this past week narrowed it down to those two. In discussing with my husband he was all "Well why buy a 3D if we're not gonna use that feature? Why not just get a 2D one?" I had no answer.

I've read a bit (not nearly as much) about the JVC 2D preferred ones, but now that he's asked that question, I need to determine a good answer, or change my search.

If any of you were in my situation (mostly movies, Xbox basic and Kinect gaming, probably starting into the Blu-ray world....) what projector would you pair with the Firehawk. (Sorry, but I don't know the gain on my screen, when I ordered it from them in 2003 it wasn't discussed and it's not on my original paperwork, I've checked. biggrin.gif )

Thanks in advance,
.charlotte
post #2 of 12
My vote is for the jvc or the epson. The jvc is a bit more natural but the epson is way brighter and thx certified. For games and what you want the. Epson would be my vote. If you had a total light controlled room and was really picky about a film like picture the jvc is a great projector.
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Thanks. Been reading more on the JVC RS45 &X30.

So I've got the specs compare feature loaded up at Projector Central for these:
JVC RS45
JVC X30
BenQ1200
BenQ W7000
Epson 8350
Epson 3020e
Epson 5020UBe

I'm all over the board for price and specs. I'm still mentally "stuck" on DLP because my research and subsequent purchase back in the day was that DLP was the forward thinking technology, that and the investment in my screen. I'm trying to accept that LCD is fine and that the JVC I read one article about model "x" which then goes on to say "hey you should consider model 'y'"... Then I read about LCD dust spots, orgain failure after 4000 hours (yes I realize that was a major stress test that TI did on those systems), and I can't recall if the JVC's were LCoS or something different because of all I've read over the past month.

The owner threads in the forums here and at PCentral have fantastic information, but then I'll read something about a failed iris, or a failed system and a two month wait for repair from the manufacturer, or ..... I'm on information overload and I've been IT reseller/purchaser for 17 years, when I'm on overload, I'm seriously tapped out with the numbers as they're blurring.

Anyways, I do realize that I can purchase a new projector that is half the cost of my old SP7200 and it'll perform as good/better so anything will be an upgrade. I've had to send my old unit in twice for repairs so I'm comfortable with that. I guess where I'm lost now is really whether I should be buying a $2500-$3000 (street price) projector or one for $1000 less. Of course saving $1000 is great and I don't have that kind of cash to throw around, but if I'm gonna outlay, I want it to last me another 9ish years as my SP has. Am I alone in feeling overwhelmed here?

Let me know if I should ask a moderator to move this thread to a different forum.
.charlotte
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I just went through this, I had a 7210 and bought a a jvc x70 which was an upgrade in some ways but in other ways it was not. Let me explain.

Contrast, 1080p etc.. Was an upgrade. But the dlp has a much better look to it, more 3d looking, also I couldn't live with motion of the jvc

I sold the jvc and bought a used 777 infocus 3 chip dlp and couldn't be happier, the 3d look and bright punchy colors are great.

I plan on keeping the 777 for a couple of years and will prob grab a rundco 3chip dlp when the prices come down to earth.


The other pj I seriously considered was the runco ls5 but the 3 chip just has something special.
post #5 of 12
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Thanks for the info. So used for you has worked out well? We've been bitten twice buying tech used, and haven't done it since. I'll check around with some of the local dealers and see what they have used though.

What do you think about the Mitsubishi HC7800D? Or their HC4000 & a Darbee? I've been reading how some people are really liking that set up.
Edited by jdsd6k - 11/24/12 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by ultra 150 pilot View Post

I just went through this, I had a 7210 and bought a a jvc x70 which was an upgrade in some ways but in other ways it was not. Let me explain.
Contrast, 1080p etc.. Was an upgrade. But the dlp has a much better look to it, more 3d looking, also I couldn't live with motion of the jvc
I sold the jvc and bought a used 777 infocus 3 chip dlp and couldn't be happier, the 3d look and bright punchy colors are great.
I plan on keeping the 777 for a couple of years and will prob grab a rundco 3chip dlp when the prices come down to earth.
The other pj I seriously considered was the runco ls5 but the 3 chip just has something special.

we too have a 7210, which has approx 900hrs on it... it's used for watching hdtv...mostly sports, and the occassional dvd movie... at the time we built the house, we used component cable, as no one would guar that a 45+ ft run would work with hdmi... how bad was the motion with the jvc??? i would have thought that since the 7210, there must be at least 5 generations of improvements from the various manufacturers... and it appears from your comments (and others) fast scenes are still a problem.

i was offered a pretty good deal on an infocus 8602 last month... the pj had 25hrs on it , a friend is moving, but i thought why pay $2500 bucks for 3+ year old tech... better of paying another grand n buy the newest/greatest thing out there... looks like i mite be wrong...and the 8602 is long gone...
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we too have a 7210, which has approx 900hrs on it... it's used for watching hdtv...mostly sports, and the occassional dvd movie... at the time we built the house, we used component cable, as no one would guar that a 45+ ft run would work with hdmi... how bad was the motion with the jvc??? i would have thought that since the 7210, there must be at least 5 generations of improvements from the various manufacturers... and it appears from your comments (and others) fast scenes are still a problem.
i was offered a pretty good deal on an infocus 8602 last month... the pj had 25hrs on it , a friend is moving, but i thought why pay $2500 bucks for 3+ year old tech... better of paying another grand n buy the newest/greatest thing out there... looks like i mite be wrong...and the 8602 is long gone...

There's a 777 on videogon. For 1700 bucks which is a steal for a 3 chip dlp, you would be blown away at the improvement over the 7210
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There's a 777 on videogon. For 1700 bucks which is a steal for a 3 chip dlp, you would be blown away at the improvement over the 7210

saw it thanks... i'm just hesitant to buy a used machine .. espec one that is 3-4yrs old... a few yrs ago i saw a 777 set-up down in a friend of a friends batcave..very impressive... but i would have thought that the tech. has come so far in that space of time that a $3/4000 machine today would out-shine a 15k machine of yesteryear...
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Originally Posted by paris401 View Post

saw it thanks... i'm just hesitant to buy a used machine .. espec one that is 3-4yrs old... a few yrs ago i saw a 777 set-up down in a friend of a friends batcave..very impressive... but i would have thought that the tech. has come so far in that space of time that a $3/4000 machine today would out-shine a 15k machine of yesteryear...

You'd be very surprised to find quite the opposite. You have to remember these early units had the money to put quality parts inside of them. The only technology that has made a revolutionary jump in PQ is LCOS. JVC has really improved their technology a lot more than any other. Granted they had the most issues, but they have took initiative to rectify on them. Single Chip DLP projectors, especially those using the larger .95" DMD, to my eye still outperform almost every single chip DLP released within the last two or three years with an MSRP of less than $8000. A lot of this has to do with the fact most manufacturers only use the cheaper smaller DMD, the .65". It has a lower native contrast and because of its size you need an exceptional lens to resolve the same amount of detail the larger DMD did with a lesser lens. A lot of things that make these projectors "better" are on the software side. Things like frame interpolation, 3D, and artificial sharpeners are really the only major news things these older projectors are missing out on. There has been a huge push to bring the price point of these projectors down to a level where the average Joe can purchase one. When this happens its compromise after compromise going off of those original designs to deliver a product that tries its best to mirror that original projector. Often they try and seduce you into thinking its a better product by claiming crazy spec numbers. If you look at claimed contrast numbers over the past couple of years you'll see jumps of ~50000:1 or 100000:1 each year. In reality the contrast goes up only 5-10%. Overall if you were to A/B side by side you'd be amazed at how well the early 1080p projectors still look, especially on the DLP side of things. Like I said before, this has to do with the fact that you were spending $10000+ on a projector. This meant a fantastic lens, exceptional build quality, great video processors, and I would imagine better QC because fewer of them were being sold.
Edited by Seegs108 - 11/26/12 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by ultra 150 pilot View Post

I just went through this, I had a 7210 and bought a a jvc x70 which was an upgrade in some ways but in other ways it was not. Let me explain.
Contrast, 1080p etc.. Was an upgrade. But the dlp has a much better look to it, more 3d looking, also I couldn't live with motion of the jvc
I sold the jvc and bought a used 777 infocus 3 chip dlp and couldn't be happier, the 3d look and bright punchy colors are great.
I plan on keeping the 777 for a couple of years and will prob grab a rundco 3chip dlp when the prices come down to earth.
The other pj I seriously considered was the runco ls5 but the 3 chip just has something special.


I had the completely opposite result. It must have been your projector and screen matching? What is your size screen? The reason I ask is because when I had my Infocus 7205 and 123" Da Lite HCCV and switched to my JVC RS-55 I noticed right away much better black detail instead of "grey" that the 7205 reproduced. You can see the detail in the movies on dark scenes. I never had that with my 7205. I first noticed a slight motion in the JVC that went away when I adjusted the CMD in the user controls, haven't seen it since inital setup! Did you use the screen adjust feature on the JVC to match your particular screen? The Infocus was very noisy, always has been the JVC is totally quiet. No more color wheel noise or artifacts which was my only complaint with DLP. Different strokes for different folks.
Edited by Sharp1080 - 11/26/12 at 9:45am
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I had the completely different result. It must have been your projector and screen matching? What is your size screen? The reason I ask is because when I had my Infocus 7205 and 123" Da Lite HCCV and switched to my JVC RS-55 I noticed right away much better black detail instead of "grey" that the 7205 reproduced. You can see the detail in the movies on dark scenes. I never had that with my 7205. I first noticed a slight motion in the JVC that went away when I adjusted the CMD in the user controls, haven't seen it since inital setup! Did you use the screen adjust feature on the JVC to match your particular screen? The Infocus was very noisy, always has been the JVC is totally quiet. No more color wheel noise or artifacts which was my only complaint with DLP. Different strokes for different folks.

I have an infocus 7205 that I am just upgrading. Had it a long 8 years. I've narrowed my search down to the new JVC x55 (which I hope to demo this week) and the new Sony HW50 (haven't found a place to demo it yet although I've seen the HW30. My screen is a 110"Stewart Firehawk. Watch a lot of mixed content from Satellite HD to Bluray. 3d isn't that important to me. A bright, sharp, colour accurate 2d is. Decisions, decisions.
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