Perfect - I agree completely. That's my point. Both are fine subs. Lamonsasa - the SVS is priced higher because it is a better sub and has better quality parts (i.e. should last longer). Also, I believe the SVS sub is made in the US (not 100% sure on the amp though) - Hsu/Outlaw is made in China. So labor costs will take a chunk there as well. $769.00 delivered for the SVS - $599 for the Outlaw.
I have the both the PB-Ultra 13 and the PB12 NSD. Both are great subs, and for me they are cheaper, as I'm in Canada. SVS has a distributor in Canada so I get them shipped for $60 bucks. The Outlaw//Hsu are well over $300 shipping / duties/custom charges.
hermeslyre - when I clicked on the link provided by shadyj, one of his comments were
Originally Posted by shadyJ
For the SPL/$, the Outlaw wins that handily. Take a look at this chart
, compare the PB12 with the Outlaw LFM-1 EX. You can see the PB12 is only competitive around 20 hz, everywhere else it gets owned.
The PC12 will perform almost identically to the PB12, and the LFM-1 Plus will be similar to the EX except it won't go as deep or get as loud at the deepest point of its extension.
IMO - based on those numbers, I think the Outlaw would sound terrible as compared to the SVS - and using the term 'owned' just kind of irked me. So, I responded in kind. Not trying to bash any product, but now the OP and others reading will hopefully understand that nothing gets 'owned' here. Both are fine subs. The Outlaw will need a lot more eqing then the SVS, and you pay (or should I say don't) pay for that. Out of the box the SVS will sound better without eq as it does play flatter. Out of the box the Outlaw will play louder if both volumes were to the same position. Once properly positioned and calibrated in a room, both subs will sound just fine, neither one will 'own' the other - the Outlaw will require more work to dial in. As for quality - I'll let you guys decide on that. I personally don't have a bias as most items we purchase today, especially electronics are made in China or have a vast majority of it's components made in China (I get a kick out of those discussions too) so it really doesn't matter. However, some products are better than others regardless of where they are made.
The SVS now uses a proprietary SLEDGE amp in their subs, and they also make their own drivers. Outlaw is using BASH amps (svs dropped bash because of quality issues though my PB ULTRA has the BASH amp and I've had no problems with it).