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post #1 of 59
11/23/12 at 9:51pm
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Hey guys picked up this TV from Fry's, not many reviews out on it. So far it is good for me! Wondering if anyone else got it, what they think, and also what calibration settings you are running? smile.gif

Link to TV = http://www.frys.com/product/7348474?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

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post #2 of 59
11/24/12 at 12:38am
Can you play video from USB on this model including .avi, .mp4, files?
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post #3 of 59
11/24/12 at 1:08am
Does anyone know how to turn on TruMotion?
Or we have to wait for update.
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post #4 of 59
11/24/12 at 3:42am
Also got it at fry's I assume on the same deal...

First up this is my first passive 3D TV the other being the 24 inch Sony PS3 one. I am coming form a 42 inch LG CCFL LCD.

Only used it for a few hours but so far after updating to the newest firmware:

On scale of 1-10 where 10 is best

Uniformity 4 - To be expected on edge lit LED but the image doesn't have to be terribly dark to see flashlighting and colored blobs and banding are evident on dark/black screens even when bright items also appear.

Color - 7 Only so low because I haven't calibrated it beyond the built calibration. It has promise though and as soon as I rip off someones calibrations from a similar model I have a feeling 8 or 9 even should be possible as it appears to be an IPS panel (going off sideways chevron pixels, hope I am remembering right).

Sound - 5 because I didn't install the soundbar. It's useable and weak as per most flat panel TVs.

Brightness - 9 plenty bright even in 3D mode

3D - image quality 7 only a 7 because I do find the scanlines and dropped resolution annoying (I honestly don't see how anyone says these are not visible from normal viewing distance - 8-10 feet in my situation). The brightness, pop and color saturation are very good and help get over the other issues, but it certainly doesn't get rid of them entirely.

3D useability 5 biggest problem for me is that there is no real sweet spot so far as I can tell it seems that notable crosstalk creeps in somewhere on screen no matter where I sit. Basically if I get myself smack dab in the center of the screen crosstalk is virtually gone for most normal scenes... however when high contrast comes in it seems either the right or the left side of the screen will develop crosstalk. I cam sit hither or lower to help but fixing one side inevidtably crosstalks the other. Even more odd crosstalk seems prevalent in some scenes from the exact same spot its' not in others. Example is in the beginning of MIBIII as the guard opens the vault door - there are two scenes close to each other of basically the same shot - I will get crosstalk in one but not the other every time.

2D performance 8 - haven't done a lot with this but it certainly has started out well enough. Out of the box with minimal calibration it's very watchable and sunburn effect is negligiable.

Bang for the buck - 9 Even with all it's flaws at the price I got it for it's right in there with similar non 3D TVs so I can write off some issues as freebies you can't complain about. I use my PS3 for smart features so won't even be touching the DVD player and am fine with not having smart features however that might be an issue for some.

At MSRP however of $1200 I believe... I would be noteably less happy... but then I am a cheapskate and don't think I would ever pay more than $1500 for current standard size (I consider 55-60 to be current standard size) so I may just not know what I am missing.

Answers to above questions yes you can play media off USB haven't tested many formats yet but I believe mkv is supported which is definitely nice.

I have not found a way to turn on trumotion (although I usually hate it, only like it for games) and I believe this is one of those sets LG has blatantly lied about having it... more concerning to me is whether this is really a 120hz panel. I believe LG sends alternating lines of image to each scanline once per 120/second and if this isn't a 120hz panel that's impossible so even fake 1080p3D isn't happening... my initial testing doesn't make me think this is happening.

Question of my own - does anyone know how to turn off the popup box warning you that it's time to put on your 3D glasses? Some games swap between 3D and non 3D often and it's quite annoying to have to keep grabbing the remote to ok that box,,,
Edited by Devedander - 11/24/12 at 4:12am
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post #5 of 59
11/24/12 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by Devedander View Post

Also got it at fry's I assume on the same deal...
First up this is my first passive 3D TV the other being the 24 inch Sony PS3 one. I am coming form a 42 inch LG CCFL LCD.
Only used it for a few hours but so far after updating to the newest firmware:
On scale of 1-10 where 10 is best
Uniformity 4 - To be expected on edge lit LED but the image doesn't have to be terribly dark to see flashlighting and colored blobs and banding are evident on dark/black screens even when bright items also appear.
Color - 7 Only so low because I haven't calibrated it beyond the built calibration. It has promise though and as soon as I rip off someones calibrations from a similar model I have a feeling 8 or 9 even should be possible as it appears to be an IPS panel (going off sideways chevron pixels, hope I am remembering right).
Sound - 5 because I didn't install the soundbar. It's useable and weak as per most flat panel TVs.
Brightness - 9 plenty bright even in 3D mode
3D - image quality 7 only a 7 because I do find the scanlines and dropped resolution annoying (I honestly don't see how anyone says these are not visible from normal viewing distance - 8-10 feet in my situation). The brightness, pop and color saturation are very good and help get over the other issues, but it certainly doesn't get rid of them entirely.
3D useability 5 biggest problem for me is that there is no real sweet spot so far as I can tell it seems that notable crosstalk creeps in somewhere on screen no matter where I sit. Basically if I get myself smack dab in the center of the screen crosstalk is virtually gone for most normal scenes... however when high contrast comes in it seems either the right or the left side of the screen will develop crosstalk. I cam sit hither or lower to help but fixing one side inevidtably crosstalks the other. Even more odd crosstalk seems prevalent in some scenes from the exact same spot its' not in others. Example is in the beginning of MIBIII as the guard opens the vault door - there are two scenes close to each other of basically the same shot - I will get crosstalk in one but not the other every time.
2D performance 8 - haven't done a lot with this but it certainly has started out well enough. Out of the box with minimal calibration it's very watchable and sunburn effect is negligiable.
Bang for the buck - 9 Even with all it's flaws at the price I got it for it's right in there with similar non 3D TVs so I can write off some issues as freebies you can't complain about. I use my PS3 for smart features so won't even be touching the DVD player and am fine with not having smart features however that might be an issue for some.
At MSRP however of $1200 I believe... I would be noteably less happy... but then I am a cheapskate and don't think I would ever pay more than $1500 for current standard size (I consider 55-60 to be current standard size) so I may just not know what I am missing.
Answers to above questions yes you can play media off USB haven't tested many formats yet but I believe mkv is supported which is definitely nice.
I have not found a way to turn on trumotion (although I usually hate it, only like it for games) and I believe this is one of those sets LG has blatantly lied about having it... more concerning to me is whether this is really a 120hz panel. I believe LG sends alternating lines of image to each scanline once per 120/second and if this isn't a 120hz panel that's impossible so even fake 1080p3D isn't happening... my initial testing doesn't make me think this is happening.
Question of my own - does anyone know how to turn off the popup box warning you that it's time to put on your 3D glasses? Some games swap between 3D and non 3D often and it's quite annoying to have to keep grabbing the remote to ok that box,,,
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Great post! So are you planning on returning it or keeping it? Any calibration settings you can post? Also no idea to your question, still trying to figure out how to turn on Tru-Motion.
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post #6 of 59
11/24/12 at 4:07pm
I'm keeping it - it's not perfect in a lot of ways and honestly I will probably at least need to bring home an active to try side by side sometime but nearest Frys is a 160 mile round trip so if anything I will flip it on craigslist. I figure I should at LEAST be able to break even on it, but for now I spent some time watching movies today and playing games I am feeling settled in with Io keep it... at least until I see a good active 55 or bigger for about the same price...

I upgraded the firmware which either made a HUGE difference or just happened to coincide with doing something else right... either way I see no reason not to.

I calibrated it using some Cnet settings from a different model (probably should dig around to find one closer to this) TV http://asia.cnet.com/product/lg-55lm9600-55-inch-lcd-45879816.htm and while it's nowhere near as good as my previous LG (which I setup using settings from AVS) and that's about it for now... I just need to figure out some how to raise my seating or tip my TV forward a bit to get rid of some of the crosstalk but on medium to low contrast scenes even off axis it's not too noticeable.

I did verify thought that there is no perfect sweet spot by looking at the PS3 menu in SBS mode... there is nowhere that you can get rid of the crosstalk especially on the edges of the screen. But it's useable for now and unless something really bad crops up in the next 30 days this will be my TV for at least a few months (I tend to buy new TVs easily when sales pop up).

As for my research it seems like we are stuck with the 3D warning message... it's going to be a huge pain and honestly might end up being a deal breaker more than the scanlines and crosstalk....

How are you liking yours so far? I kind of hope this TV takes off on AVS but I think it's price has to drop a bit for it to do so...
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post #7 of 59
11/25/12 at 11:35am
BTW jumped into the service manual and turned on dual play - works ok except I still see crosstalk even in the sweet spot... will test it again if/when I make some dual play glasses.

I also turned on local dimming but there is no menu option to enable it... wondering if switching the TV model in other service menus would allow it but a little scared to go that far...

Also noticed there is a panel manufacturer selection which is set to LGD but one of the options is IPS... didn't notice any significant change when chosing IPS so put it back.

Anyone know if these are safe menus to tinker with ie can you brick your tv by sitching it from lm47 to lm67?
Edited by Devedander - 11/25/12 at 12:35pm
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post #8 of 59
11/25/12 at 10:06pm
I bought this tv bundle and returned it for the Panasonic TC-L55ET5. I was unhappy with the LG screen. The glare from the tv in a fairly dark room was really annoying that I had to return it for the Panasonic. I must say though, I love the Panasonic TC-L55ET5 but I really liked the price point for the LG tv, soundbar and blu ray player that I wish I wasn't such a stickler about the glare.
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post #9 of 59
11/26/12 at 1:26am
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Originally Posted by Devedander View Post

BTW jumped into the service manual and turned on dual play - works ok except I still see crosstalk even in the sweet spot... will test it again if/when I make some dual play glasses.
I also turned on local dimming but there is no menu option to enable it... wondering if switching the TV model in other service menus would allow it but a little scared to go that far...
Also noticed there is a panel manufacturer selection which is set to LGD but one of the options is IPS... didn't notice any significant change when chosing IPS so put it back.
Anyone know if these are safe menus to tinker with ie can you brick your tv by sitching it from lm47 to lm67?

I am not sure if I will keep this, it is ALRIGHT but I feel like keeping it would be a waste of money. Can spend a bit more and get a better TV I feel. Maybe calibration settings are needed for me to make a judgement. Care to post yours? Anyone?
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post #10 of 59
11/26/12 at 10:46am
What are you looking at? I have seen some similarly priced 50 inch plasmas... I hear plasma has better pic quality but is dimmer and since they will be active shutter glasses... super dim?

I was looking at some active samsungs but it seems for the same size it's going to be several hundred more...

Worse part for me is returning this is a 3 hour drive so makes it pretty hard to go that way...
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post #11 of 59
11/26/12 at 12:52pm
I agree with you. First, I want to get Panasonic TC-L55ET5 instead but it was hard to repack everything and return it so I decide to keep it.
After return bluray player make it around $750, I still think it is good deal though. I will probably sell sound bar also which will make this TV even cheaper.
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post #12 of 59
11/27/12 at 12:14am
For what it's worth here is what's working for me:

2D content: Standard -
backlight 40
Contrast 85
Brightness 72
Sharpness 60
Color 53
Tint G5
Color Temp C10

Everything off in the advanced, gamma at medium and color gamut at wide.

For 3D content I setup under Game:
Backlight 50
Contrast 90
Brightness 50
Sharpness 30
Color 55
Tint 0
Color Temp 0

All advanced off Color Gamut Wide and Gamma Medium

Really the only difference I made for 3D was to crank up the brightness and drop the sharpness a lot. I am playing wtih cranking up the noise reduction - both the softness and noise reduction are designed to counter the scanline issue of passive 3D and seem to work to a point. The color settings differences were mainly becuase I am really using this for 3D more than anything.

I used to have a cinema settings but it's not locked by THX cinema because I hopped into the service menu and enabled a few extras like Dual Play and Local Dimming (I am pretty sure despite being enabled local dimming is not actually happening in any way as there is no menu option to turn it on).

If you want to tinker in the service menu you can check this out:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408659/lg-trumotion-missing-specific-to-42lm-47lm-55lm-series-excludes-lm7600-and-newer/120#post_22250375
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post #13 of 59
11/27/12 at 12:48pm
I just updated to the latest firmware, see no big differences. Anyone know what's the network port for? I hook it up and see no benifit of it at all. Will I be able to flash with LG Smart TV firmware?rolleyes.gif
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post #14 of 59
11/27/12 at 2:01pm
I think the network port allows you to update over the internet and allows you to play files off DNLA shares...
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post #15 of 59
11/27/12 at 9:17pm
Thx, Dev, l also try your calibration setting and it looks good, but I turn off the energy saving and it looks even better.
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post #16 of 59
11/28/12 at 7:15pm
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Thx, Dev, l also try your calibration setting and it looks good, but I turn off the energy saving and it looks even better.

Yeah didn't mention I turn off energy saving... it never seems to really do what I want and it's not like this TV takes too much juice anyway... glad you are getting good pictre! I think I will try to tweak it some more when I get home this weekend.
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post #17 of 59
11/29/12 at 4:47am
Anyone know the difference between the 55LM4600 and the 55LM4700? Looks like it's just the inclusion of the sound bar?
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post #18 of 59
11/29/12 at 9:32pm
LG release new firmware, but file name remain the same as 27th update. Weird
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post #19 of 59
11/29/12 at 10:15pm
Thread Starter 
Returning my set tomorrow. just was not happy with it overall. Plus the lack of tru-motion. I don't care if I get a free blu-ray player and sound bar. I need my TV to look AMAZING. And this was not up to par.
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post #20 of 59
11/30/12 at 5:29pm
I got this tv from Best buy last week but in the package there was only tv and soundbar, there was no blue ray inside, does it come separate ? We need to pay for it or its free ? Should i ask best buy to give that specifically - ?
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post #21 of 59
12/1/12 at 8:24am
Did the box say comes with soudbar? Sounds like you bought the non bundle version... the soundbar comes in the main tv box on top of the tv making it a good 10 inches taller than tv alone.

If your box had a big empty space at top you may have been shortchanged
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post #22 of 59
12/1/12 at 7:57pm
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I got this tv from Best buy last week but in the package there was only tv and soundbar, there was no blue ray inside, does it come separate ? We need to pay for it or its free ? Should i ask best buy to give that specifically - ?

Blue ray player comes separately. You have to ask them for that if they forget.
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post #23 of 59
12/2/12 at 7:59am
Greetings!

I got the Black Friday (well actually the purchase online Thanksgiving Day and pick up on Black Friday) deal from Frys on this TV and Blue ray player. It appears to be a good enough TV for our living room, our first 3D HDTV. We just have cable, while my wife has Amazon Prime. We have wireless internet in our house, but we don't have an Ethernet cable long enough to go to the TV (and we prefer not to connect a 50 foot cable to connect it.) We were able to connect the Blue Ray to our wireless internet. We were not terribly impressed with the options the Blue Ray had to offer on internet streaming.

Here are some basic questions if anyone can answer:

- How do we upgrade the firmware on the TV? Do we need the Ethernet for this?

- Does the Ethernet to the TV do any more on the TV than the Blue Ray player does?

-My wife has Amazon prime and likes the selection of videos she can get from there. Is there any way (short of connecting an external computer to the RGB-PC port) of getting streaming from Amazon?

Thanks very much in advance!!11
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post #24 of 59
12/2/12 at 8:07am
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Greetings!
I got the Black Friday (well actually the purchase online Thanksgiving Day and pick up on Black Friday) deal from Frys on this TV and Blue ray player. It appears to be a good enough TV for our living room, our first 3D HDTV. We just have cable, while my wife has Amazon Prime. We have wireless internet in our house, but we don't have an Ethernet cable long enough to go to the TV (and we prefer not to connect a 50 foot cable to connect it.) We were able to connect the Blue Ray to our wireless internet. We were not terribly impressed with the options the Blue Ray had to offer on internet streaming.
Here are some basic questions if anyone can answer:
- How do we upgrade the firmware on the TV? Do we need the Ethernet for this?
- Does the Ethernet to the TV do any more on the TV than the Blue Ray player does?
-My wife has Amazon prime and likes the selection of videos she can get from there. Is there any way (short of connecting an external computer to the RGB-PC port) of getting streaming from Amazon?
Thanks very much in advance!!11

http://www.lg.com/us/support-product/lg-55LM4700#

Can be done via USB drive.

Ethernet on the model would allow you to stream files via dlna.

You would need some device that supports amazon video like a ps3...
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post #25 of 59
12/2/12 at 10:41am
Sry wrong thread.
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post #26 of 59
12/2/12 at 12:09pm
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Returned the TV, could not take the quality anymore and no tru-motion
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post #27 of 59
12/3/12 at 12:10am
While tinkering around I managed to pretty much get rid of my flashlighting and also get a pretty darn good picture... all keys around turning down the backlight and playing with the brightness setting.

With backlight at 30, Contrast at 90, brightness at 70 and everything else off or in the middle the picture is actually pretty good. For what ti's worth I have enabled THX Cinema in the service menu and applied these settings to it.... watched a movie and a few bits and peices of stuff on netflix and with the exception of some blue pop (which I will have to dial out later) this worked really well... had a nice film look to it and as long as you are reasonably level with the TV I found the flashlighting to be almost non detectable and the color saturation was quite good.

I learned this lesson (turn the backlight way down) on my last LG but somehow forgot....
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post #28 of 59
12/4/12 at 2:23am
Thx, Dev. Trying your setting now. I'm still trying to figure out how to connect the soundbar to my VSX-1122K so I can control it by my receiver.
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post #29 of 59
12/10/12 at 5:25pm
I have this paired up with the LG325W and its driving me a little crazy.

If someone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. When I turn down the brightness on the TV (energy saving off, backlight 30) it seems to only take effect when you turn on the player (you can see it dim), that is okay but when you start the 3d movie it seems to go back to its original brightness and when you try to go to the settings it will not let you. Something about function not available...

Have you guys had any problems? Also does this stupid thing have a resume function? I have not seen an option in the menu...

Also in the blu-ray player settings it only lets you go to 60hz max, is this normal?

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post #30 of 59
12/11/12 at 9:49pm
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I have this paired up with the LG325W and its driving me a little crazy.
If someone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. When I turn down the brightness on the TV (energy saving off, backlight 30) it seems to only take effect when you turn on the player (you can see it dim), that is okay but when you start the 3d movie it seems to go back to its original brightness and when you try to go to the settings it will not let you. Something about function not available...
Have you guys had any problems? Also does this stupid thing have a resume function? I have not seen an option in the menu...
Also in the blu-ray player settings it only lets you go to 60hz max, is this normal?
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Not sure, didn't even use the BR player because I have a PS3.

As for the brightness, when you go to 3D mode it cranks up the brightness to compensate for the glasses. It basically takes your 2D settings and cranks up the backlight - may tinker with color controls too, not sure. So if you want it dimmer in 3D set it dimmer in 2D settings. This involes some juggling of settings to get ones that work for 2D and leave yourself some that work for 3D also.
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