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Hello everyone,

I need to make a choice between these 3 TV's ASAP. I understand that the Samsung is active 3D and the merits of active 3D and the LG is passive 3D. Samsungs comes with 2 or 4 pairs of SSG-4100GBs 3D glasses and the LG comes with 6 pairs of its own glasses. Currently, I am using a Asus VG236H (true 120Hz gaming) 3D monitor with 3D Vision (I understand that is active). I notice that there is occasional flickering with lights are on but very minimal flickering (when scene changes drastically - very fast cuts) and my eyes tend to water slightly but I have been getting used to it and this happens a lot less.

Today I went to the store and I had a look at the 3DTVs they were demoing with 3D glasses and I managed to get a look at a variety of LG, Toshiba and Sony models. Unfortunately, they did not have any Samsung 3D glasses and they insisted that the Sony 3D was very similar to the Samsung 3D. I guess it was the lighting position and the fact that they were doing 2D->3D conversion but it didn't look that great. There was a lot more flickering and I was not able to watch for long using their demo heavy-duty Sony 3D glasses. I noticed that the Toshiba sets (L7200U,L6200U) were a bit too grainy for my liking so I kinda ignored them and I was looking at a lot of LG sets. I noticed terrible crosstalk and judder in all of them except for 1 which really caught my eye - this was the LG 47LM7600. I put the glasses on and there was no flicker, my eyes didn't water and it seemed very pleasant to watch. Now I have a bias towards the LG since I didn't get to see the Samsung's shine with their 3D (Why the heck there were no 3D glasses for samsung @ futureshop? I have no idea - seems kinda fishy). They didn't even have the ES7100 in the store frown.gif so I was sort of looking at the ES6500,ES6820 and the ES8000 and the guys there told me to expect something quite close to the ES8000 in terms of 2D picture quality (I don't know how true this is). I am interested in hearing your opinions about what TV you would go for given my current experience. I have no idea how the 2012 Samsungs fare in terms of flickering and causing headaches - did they improve active by a lot? and is it worth considering now? That being said, I did look at the ES6820 and the ES6500 and was very impressed.

I understand how passive and active technology works and currently only active will yield true 1080p to both eyes as opposed to the trickery done by the passives through interleaving to yield 540p/540p to create a 1080p image.

My TV habits usually consist of a decent mix of games,movies and some TV shows here and there. I would say right now about 65% 2D and 35% 3D watching (have a lot of 3D movies and games starting to pop up in my collection).

I have an nVidia card (GTX 680) along with great specs to boot. I understand there is currently a limitation with nVidia's implementation of 3DTV play with active TVs and you can only do 3D at 1080p@24/30Hz with frame packing or 720p@60hz frame packing. They do plan to add SBS and HSBS support which allows ~1080p@60hz (not really 1080p due to the way they do it) later in the year but for now Tridef DDD should hold up until then. Passive TVs have no such limitation due to the way they work and you can do ~1080p@60hz interleaved 3D.

Given my situation and my long explanation (sorry!) can you guys give me some of your opinions

Thank you very much for reading
post #2 of 3
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Hey guys,

I took a look at the Samsungs in the store, they had it this time. Man they really really hurt my eyes (I have really sensitive eyes). The 3D picture on the ES7100 didn't look that great compared to the ES8000 which is to be expected I guess. Also, there was flicker when the lights were on so I asked them to turn it off and there was still flicker in a scene or 2 (watching Avatar in 3D) that sort of messed with my head, I really couldn't put a finger on it . The 2D picture quality of the Samsungs were really good - I'll give them that. I guess my eyes don't play nice with active 3D (full 1080p) glasses (as I said my eyes water after playing on my active 3D gaming monitor and sometimes I feel nauseous after a 1 hr gaming session in 3D) which is quite unfortunate .

I tried the LG LM7600 again and I will still impressed with it. I didn't experience any flicker or crosstalk on this model and it was quite pleasant to watch after the session with the Samsung. I started moving around and sitting at different angles like I did with the Samsung and it looked a lot better (a lot more watchable) to me even though I know that i'm not actually getting full 1080p in 3D. The 2D picture quality was just as good as the Samsung - yeah yeah I know that the Samsung has superior black levels and contrast but I liked the LG too. There was also a deal on this and the guy was nice enough to give me a nice discount which basically made me go for this.

Now I know you can play games in 3D without the limitations (3DTV play) using the Zalman EDID hack. I'm just wondering if there are still colorbug issues - I hear that if you purely use the Zalman EDID without modifying the audio component it seems to resolve a lot of stuff
post #3 of 3
Hi Havok2191,

Just wondering what you ended up with. I'm facing a very similar choice. I've used active 3D with mostly gaming on both a 24" Acer 120Hz monitor, as well as on a 720p Acer DLP projector, and I must say that with both setups, I don't really like the feeling of even just slight flickering. It feels like it tires me out. I've tried some of the passive LG TVs instore and while they seem "easier" to watch, they are a bit blurrier.

I was looking at the Samsung 55" ES7100 on Boxing Day, but I got cold feet when I started wondering how I might use the 3D.

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