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post #121 of 163
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Originally Posted by cinema13 View Post

Nice to see that I'm not alone in my appreciation for DKR. Yeah, there were plot-holes (most movies have 'em) and things I could quibble with. But for me, it just was more substantial then DK (which was filled more with explosions than character,, except for the Joker). Anyone think that Bane sounded a lot like Patrick Stuart? (Maybe it's because Hardy previously played Capt Picard's clone)

I agree on all counts. The Dark Knight Rises was to my mind a slightly better film than the nearly equally wonderful Dark Knight and Heath Ledger's Joker was one of movie history's great bad guys, in a class with Antony Hopkins Hannibal Lector.

Now that you mention it, Hardy's Bane did indeed sound like Patrick Stewart. When I watched my BD of the film last night I thought Bane sounded like someone I knew but couldn't put it all together at the time.
post #122 of 163
I definitely don't want to come off as a troll (sure some will read into this as pre-admission), but that said, I was very disappointed with the movie. I found the acting to be quite wooden, and in some cases the delivery bordered on laughable, compared to what I have seen from the same actor/ character in an earlier film. A for instance would be Commissioner Gordon's revealing/ admitting that Batman was a patsy... and I hope you have a friend like him. I ABSOLUTELY hated the scene for his acting/ reading his lines from a prompter. I found Bane's character to be the saving grace of the film. Alfred/ Michael Caine, was also off his game and that was VERY surprising to me. I'm not just talking about the lines, and I did find them lacking, but the actual acting was very "off" to me. Might I like it better upon repeated viewings? Very possible, but on first watching I found it very underwhelming. I agree with one poster that knowing Bane is essentially being supercharged would have added something, but for me that would only have been added to his character, which to my tastes was the only bright spot. In the vein of full disclosure, I will say that I absolutely HATE Bale's "Bat-voice" and found it even more annoying/ offputting than in past movies. That said, I don't think that is what put me off this film. It was not the worst movie in the world by far, but IMHO it was the worst of the trio by far.

Maybe this movie will become another "Fifth Element" for me (a movie that I initially rated lower based on Chris Tucker's role and which later I grew to love and actually rated higher because of Tucker's role!). But I can't see it ever garnering the same level of "Fifth Element Love",
post #123 of 163
Well, 'the fifth element' is totally outdated,and its not even mediocre. I am pretty shure that 'the dark knight rises' will be not outdated ten years from now. That should tell you something wink.gifsmile.gif
post #124 of 163
I disagree with you about The Fifth Element part
post #125 of 163
I bought the 'fifth element' blu-ray. I had good memories of it, went into it with a positive attitude. It simply did not look good on blu-ray.

Wikipedia
''A largely misfired european (french) attempt to make a american-style sci-fi spectacular''
Edited by 8mile13 - 12/17/12 at 4:48am
post #126 of 163
To all of you hoping that there will be another Batman movie, there actually is going to be another in the works but it is a reboot! redface.gif

And guess who's gonna play the new Batman... The guy who just got done playing The Green Lantern!!! redface.gifredface.gifredface.gifredface.gif
post #127 of 163
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

I bought the 'fifth element' blu-ray. I had good memories of it, went into it with a positive attitude. It simply did not look good on blu-ray.
Wikipedia
''A largely misfired european (french) attempt to make a american-style sci-fi spectacular''

You bought the original bluray then. It was an absolute mess, my Superbit DVD of The Fifth Element looked about the same. They remastered the Bluray. If it's not reference level it's quite close in both video and audio quality. I use it to show off. It's on the Gold list here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1168342/the-new-pq-tier-thread-for-blu-ray-rankings

Wikipedia for movie reviews? Really?

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fifth_element/

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post #128 of 163
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Originally Posted by robnix 

You bought the original bluray then. It was an absolute mess, my Superbit DVD of The Fifth Element looked about the same. They remastered the Bluray. If it's not reference level it's quite close in both video and audio quality. I use it to show off. It's on the Gold list here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1168342/the-new-pq-tier-thread-for-blu-ray-rankings

Wikipedia for movie reviews? Really?

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fifth_element/

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I did not mean that the blu-ray was a mess, what i meant is that it's outdated and that it was not a well done movie - which is more obvious on the blu-ray version.

btw i am not quoting wikipedia, Its a Todd McCarthy quote
http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117341569?refcatid=31
post #129 of 163
Obviously the fifth element thing, as can be said about all movies, is a matter of taste, The point I attempted to make is that the movie might grow on me, maybe even by orders of magnitude (though it would be a bit of a stretch for me to suggest there is THAT much room for growth). You could easily insert any movie that did not immediately wow, you but which grew on you over time. DKR COULD be such a movie for me, that said it doesn't change the fact that I was not initially as impressed as i'd hoped, no, EXPECTED to be. It would not be the first time I was late to a party (LOVE-FEST for DKR) but I am usually not so far from the mark, as it appears I am in this case. That level of disconnect is usually reserved for Sci-Fi movies that get little love (Think Jodie Foster-Contact) from the populace but which I enjoy immensely. I will wait a couple of weeks and watch it over. I would very much like to have an ah ha! moment. I fear that will not likely be the case.
post #130 of 163
To me BB, DK and DKR are parts of one story, all three of them make the whole story. What i find exciting about DKR is that it is the grand finale. Its exciting to me the same way the grand finale of Battlestar Galactica was. I really enjoyed the music in DK, the music in DKR was even better IMO.

It took me a while to appreciate DK. Jack Nicholson was the the Joker, and because of my huge respect for Jack Nicholson the actor it took me a while to except someone else in that role. btw Jack Nicholson as the Joker ruining a Vermeer still is one of the most shocking moments in cinema for me.

Eventhough i really like the movie i found the aspect ratio switching ( 2.40:1 - 1.78:1) distacting. ITS ANNOYING. I DO NOT LIKE IT mad.gif I wish directors would not do that. I remember the first time i noticed this - Tron: legacy - i said to myself ''what is wrong with this guy?'' I am oke with directors intent but at some point - lots of aspect ratio switching in this case - i draw the line. Stuff like that ruins a movie IMO. Because of the annoying aspect ratio switching i give the movie 5/10 instead of 8/10 smile.gif
Edited by 8mile13 - 12/19/12 at 8:55am
post #131 of 163
audio/video presentation are very good, but can this movie get any longer. also i don't know about anybody else, but these 95lb females whipping ass is a little funny and unbelieveabe.
post #132 of 163
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

audio/video presentation are very good, but can this movie get any longer. also i don't know about anybody else, but these 95lb females whipping ass is a little funny and unbelieveabe.

I agree that accepting a slender, sexy girl as having the ability to kick ass and take names requires a little extra quota of disbelief. So what though? It was so much fun seeing the lovely Anne Hathaway beat up bad guys in her catsuit and killer high heels, believing in her was no trouble at at all.smile.gif
post #133 of 163
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I agree that accepting a slender, sexy girl as having the ability to kick ass and take names requires a little extra quota of disbelief. So what though? It was so much fun seeing the lovely Anne Hathaway beat up bad guys in her catsuit and killer high heels, believing in her was no trouble at at all.smile.gif

I agree gwsat. Hey if we can watch a man dressed up in a bat suit why fighting crime why not a 95lb female whipping ass? The day we start question it is the day we should stop watching movies that are based on comics.
post #134 of 163
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post #135 of 163
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Originally Posted by bytebuster View Post

The IMAX scenes are top notch. Lot of depth
But the 2.4 parts look soft to me. Is it just me. I honestly am disappointed by the 2.4 parts
At one point I even doubled checked if I was playing the DVD biggrin.gif

I felt the same way last night.

Just got it for Christmas, and thought maybe I had too many nogs, but alas, it was the bluray.

I'm going to double check tonight without the nog.
post #136 of 163
Has anyone rented this from redbox yet?

I would like to know if the rental has HD audio or not.
post #137 of 163
2.40 shots looked soft to me as well. Also skin tones seemed way too orange and/or saturated. Almost made me want to lower the color on my TV.
post #138 of 163
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Originally Posted by Trizzly View Post

Has anyone rented this from redbox yet?
I would like to know if the rental has HD audio or not.

My disc from Netflix, which is branded with "rental" on the front, had the DTS-HD MA soundtrack.
post #139 of 163
One thing i like about this and other Batman blurays of the nolan trilogy is when you pop the disc in, no coming attractions!!!
post #140 of 163
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Originally Posted by Flash676 View Post

My disc from Netflix, which is branded with "rental" on the front, had the DTS-HD MA soundtrack.

Thanks Flash
post #141 of 163
I finally got to see the movie last night on my recently purchased projector :-)

- I really enjoyed the the movie. As with TDK, it felt like a great movie/story that happened to include a comic character as opposed to a script that was created to show off effects.

- Going in I feared Bane would be a weak character. I knew nothing of his background, and the pictures of his didn't look promising. In the end, he was one of my favorite comic villains. Well acted, liked the voice, etc...

- Was most shocked that they pulled off catwoman. Hathaway did a great job - have never really believed most of the female super hero characters in the past (Halle Berry was a joke).

- The final fight was a bit of a letdown, but that's a small nit.

Thumbs up big time. So few movies have anything close to an "epic" feel to them. TDKR had some.
post #142 of 163
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Lands View Post

I finally got to see the movie last night on my recently purchased projector :-)
- I really enjoyed the the movie. As with TDK, it felt like a great movie/story that happened to include a comic character as opposed to a script that was created to show off effects.
- Going in I feared Bane would be a weak character. I knew nothing of his background, and the pictures of his didn't look promising. In the end, he was one of my favorite comic villains. Well acted, liked the voice, etc...
- Was most shocked that they pulled off catwoman. Hathaway did a great job - have never really believed most of the female super hero characters in the past (Halle Berry was a joke).
- The final fight was a bit of a letdown, but that's a small nit.
Thumbs up big time. So few movies have anything close to an "epic" feel to them. TDKR had some.

Greetings,

Thanks for sharing your impressions Lands. smile.gif


Regards,
post #143 of 163
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Originally Posted by NewToHT View Post

How did Bane sound? Loved the movie but I got bugged a bit when I couldn't figure out what Bane was saying in his many monologues!
Great review BTW....gonna have to treat myself to this one when it comes out!

I had no issues with Bane even when using crappy laptop speakers. It's even better when I use the HT setup

(laptop in question is a Dell Vostro 3450 with an upgraded 1600*900 screen Core i7 and AMD Radeon 7650 running power DVD 12)

As for the movie, I thought it was great even though it was a tad bit long and have watched it about 5 times since I got the Blu-Ray
post #144 of 163
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai View Post

I had no issues with Bane even when using crappy laptop speakers. It's even better when I use the HT setup
(laptop in question is a Dell Vostro 3450 with an upgraded 1600*900 screen Core i7 and AMD Radeon 7650 running power DVD 12)
As for the movie, I thought it was great even though it was a tad bit long and have watched it about 5 times since I got the Blu-Ray

When I saw the movie again in my home theater,I didn't have trouble understanding Bane either. I did, however, use subtitles, although they were mostly unnecessary. I, too, have watched my BD of The Dark Knight Rises multiple times and gleaned something new from it every time. Besides, it's always fun to see the luscious and appealing Anne Hathaway as Selena Ward/Catwoman again.smile.gif
post #145 of 163
Saw this tonight in the HT. Reference sound except only thing I would want is for the dialogue to be a little clearer. Not just for Bane but for everyone. Bane was the worst though. I understood him but my guests were constantly asking what he said.
post #146 of 163

It's interesting that some people have a problem with Banes' voice and some don't.  I remember seeing the opening scene (first 10 minutes or so) when it was screening in front of Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol in the IMAX theater in NYC.  It was SO much worse then!  Nolan went back and fixed the voice after the complaints started rolling in. It was so bad that the Nolan fanboys had to go online to read the script to that screening just to understand what Bane was saying. At least he fixed it so that it was audible before the films release date.


Edited by thebesthereis - 1/1/13 at 8:52pm
post #147 of 163
Just watched DK rises for the first time last night.

Sorry, it just seemed tired. No where close to the second one.

I know this this is complete fiction based on a comic book, but with that said, I can't give high marks to a movie that has plot holes large enough to drive a (neutron bomb) carrying truck through.

All the characters delivered great individual performances and most of the individual boom-boom-pew-pew sequences were great. They just didn't mix well into a compelling story. And I get that Hollywood wants to pick on the "rich fat cats," that's fine, and it would have made a good story all by itself, but why add an additional hour of subplot just to talk about some hole in the ground half a world away in India?

Finally, this popping back and forth between cinemascope and 16:9 is absurd. I can't think of anything they could do to aggravate the home watcher more than perhaps drop 3 minute commercial breaks every 15 minutes. Dear directors, pick a single format and compose the scenes for it.

-Suntan
post #148 of 163
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Originally Posted by thebesthereis View Post

It's interesting that some people have a problem with Banes' voice and some don't.  I remember seeing the opening scene (first 10 minutes or so) when it was screening in front of Mission Impossible: Ghost Prorocol in the IMAX theater in NYC.  It was SO much worse then!  Nolan went back and fixed the voice after the complaints started rolling in. It was so bad that the Nolan fanboys had to go online to read the script to that screening just to understand what Bane was saying. At least he fixed it so that it was audible before the films release date.

Let me say this one more time.

All true IMAX screenings had drowned out dialogue. Not just for Bane's voice, but for all voices. In other words, they complained because they thought it was a poor mix/dubbing/recording or what have you, but it truly was just the IMAX presentation. Had Nolan kept that mix on the Blu-ray, he would have been fine. Not perfect, but audible.
post #149 of 163
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Originally Posted by thebesthereis View Post

It's interesting that some people have a problem with Banes' voice and some don't.  I remember seeing the opening scene (first 10 minutes or so) when it was screening in front of Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol in the IMAX theater in NYC.  It was SO much worse then!  Nolan went back and fixed the voice after the complaints started rolling in. It was so bad that the Nolan fanboys had to go online to read the script to that screening just to understand what Bane was saying. At least he fixed it so that it was audible before the films release date.

Let me say this one more time.

All true IMAX screenings had drowned out dialogue. Not just for Bane's voice, but for all voices. In other words, they complained because they thought it was a poor mix/dubbing/recording or what have you, but it truly was just the IMAX presentation. Had Nolan kept that mix on the Blu-ray, he would have been fine. Not perfect, but audible.

Maybe I wasn't clear in what I was trying to get across...

 

It WAS NOT the final IMAX release that I was referring to.  I was only referring to JUST the opening scene of TDKR (what was screened before Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol) a few months before the final cut/release of TDKR.  Nolan fixed the voice mix before the final release of the movie.  How do I know?  I saw TDKR (once it was released) in the same IMAX theater that I saw Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol in and guess what?  No drowned out dialogue.  rolleyes.gif

 

Also, I was just referring to the voice of Bane - the voices of everyone else were fine. 

post #150 of 163
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Originally Posted by thebesthereis View Post

Maybe I wasn't clear in what I was trying to get across...

It WAS NOT the final IMAX release that I was referring to.  I was only referring to JUST the opening scene of TDKR (what was screened before Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol) a few months before the final cut/release of TDKR.  Nolan fixed the voice mix before the final release of the movie.  How do I know?  I saw TDKR (once it was released) in the same IMAX theater that I saw Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol in and guess what?  No drowned out dialogue.  rolleyes.gif

You were beyond clear. My point is that Nolan took people's opinions at such face value, he threw a "**** you" back to their faces by re-recording Tom Hardy, making him clearer, and amplifying him tenfold above everyone else's voices.
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Also, I was just referring to the voice of Bane - the voices of everyone else were fine. 

Most of the dialogue in IMAX scenes are ADR'ed anyway, so most of them sound pretty clear. But in non-IMAX shots when the fronts have any sort of music, 15/70 IMAX theaters tend to make them far too overbearing for the dialogue which also is too difficult to understand... at least in some certain seating positions.

I'm just saying that if we got an exact mix of what Nolan had for Bane on Blu-ray, we would not have had as many issues as crowds had listening to it in their IMAX theaters. It's like complaining that an intently dark movie is darker because of a dim projector, and after people complain that they can't see anything and the director brightens everything up, then it would look horrendously bright on a regular projector. That's the only point I'm making.
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