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post #121 of 385
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

How does this reciever compare to something like the Marantz SR5007. That is the other one I was giving a hard look at? Or possibly the Denon 3313/3312? I need something with pre-outs. Can someone help me understand if getting this for 549 is worth it or would my money be better spent on a 5007 or something a little better. Thoughts?

With the Marantz you get a discrete amplifier. It has preouts, but no 12v triggers.

With Denon. It doesn't appear to have a discrete amplifier, but it does have 12v triggers + preouts.

If you are going to use an external amp, I would go with the Denon due to the 12v triggers. I believe it has 2.
post #122 of 385
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

How does this reciever compare to something like the Marantz SR5007. That is the other one I was giving a hard look at? Or possibly the Denon 3313/3312? I need something with pre-outs. Can someone help me understand if getting this for 549 is worth it or would my money be better spent on a 5007 or something a little better. Thoughts?

I had 4 Pioneer receivers in the past, top of the line or close to it, paid from 1800 to 3000 bucks and none sounded as good as the 1222 I paid 549.99 . This is a real bargain and the quality is very very good. It's possible some of the models you mentioned can sound even better but it won't be much better for sure. A better speaker system normally improves the sound much more than a better receiver in this class (Denon,Marantz). A use a 7.1 Monitor Audio system with the 1222 and it really delivers.
post #123 of 385
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As far as apps go, Im not sure if I can develop one for the Onkyo. They have their own Android and iOS apps, so they did it somehow, just not sure how "open" the API is. From what I hear about the Pioneer app, Im not sure you would even need to write another one....every review Ive seen about it said its that good.

And as much as I like Audyssey I think I would actually like MCACC more. Might take a bit to get used to and "tweaked" just right, but it seems more powerful.

Yeah; the Pioneer app is great; it just that they missed what I need most! -> MCACC Bank Buttons!!.. I really need it so I can switch on the fly the memory bank I want to use. and I agreed 1000% with you in this statement: "And as much as I like Audyssey I think I would actually like MCACC more. Might take a bit to get used to and "tweaked" just right, but it seems more powerful"..... Many people worries about Mcacc vs Auseddey "Sub EQ. No sub eq on Pioneer but does on Audessey Mutli,Xt,Xt32?!!!.... My sub and bass is awesome with this receiver; just have to perform some tweaks!.. Thats all.. I believe post this on several forums that my Pioneer 1222 SQ is much, much better than my Denon 3311; in terms of SQ, and Features! for half the price!!!!!
post #124 of 385
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Originally Posted by javygonx View Post

Yeah; the Pioneer app is great; it just that they missed what I need most! -> MCACC Bank Buttons!!.. I really need it so I can switch on the fly the memory bank I want to use. and I agreed 1000% with you in this statement: "And as much as I like Audyssey I think I would actually like MCACC more. Might take a bit to get used to and "tweaked" just right, but it seems more powerful"..... Many people worries about Mcacc vs Auseddey "Sub EQ. No sub eq on Pioneer but does on Audessey Mutli,Xt,Xt32?!!!.... My sub and bass is awesome with this receiver; just have to perform some tweaks!.. Thats all.. I believe post this on several forums that my Pioneer 1222 SQ is much, much better than my Denon 3311; in terms of SQ, and Features! for half the price!!!!!

Well I have the Onkyo 809 right now, and it sounds pretty darn good. It does EQ the sub at least a little, initially I hated it because "I lost all my bass" but it turns out it was two-fold: DTS s-tracks are mixed lower, and I probably had my bass too cranked up and boomy to begin with. I imagine MCACC would have done the same thing if it actually affected the sub.

Still cant get over the global xover though. And as posted before it physically wont fit the best in my setup since the fan exits out the side.
post #125 of 385
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

With the Marantz you get a discrete amplifier. It has preouts, but no 12v triggers.

With Denon. It doesn't appear to have a discrete amplifier, but it does have 12v triggers + preouts.

If you are going to use an external amp, I would go with the Denon due to the 12v triggers. I believe it has 2.

Is the only advantage with 12v triggers that the amp turns on when you turn the avr on? If so, can that be solved with a universal remote? Thank you all for the comments. It still seems a little dividend between the pioneer, marantz and denon. I least I'm not seeing and overwhelming call out towards one vs the other
post #126 of 385
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Is the only advantage with 12v triggers that the amp turns on when you turn the avr on? If so, can that be solved with a universal remote? Thank you all for the comments. It still seems a little dividend between the pioneer, marantz and denon. I least I'm not seeing and overwhelming call out towards one vs the other

Yeah the 12V will trigger an offboard amp. But some people need it because equipment is hidden away, or they are using the trigger to turn on an amp that is remote (i.e. in a completely different room for a different purpose or zone)
post #127 of 385
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Is the only advantage with 12v triggers that the amp turns on when you turn the avr on? If so, can that be solved with a universal remote? Thank you all for the comments. It still seems a little dividend between the pioneer, marantz and denon. I least I'm not seeing and overwhelming call out towards one vs the other

The amp must be remote-controllable and my guess is many high-end stereo amps are not because they don't need to be. I have a Rotel stereo amp that is only controllable by the Rotel pre.. If you need a separate amp, better have the trigger.
post #128 of 385
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Originally Posted by chrisexv6 View Post

Actually an issue I found: the shelf Im putting it on is only about 1" wider than the whole unit, that leaves not much space for the fan to vent.

Might have to give up on the idea....the only other thing I could think of is "ducting" the fan from the side to the rear. Seems like too much work to replace a unit that seems to be working fine so far.

1 inch is enough. The right side doesn't have any hole so you do not need to leave any space on that side, on the other hand the fan is really small and does not create high flow. This is the good thing of D3 class, almost no heat to dissipate.

Regards
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post #129 of 385
How would i handle this:

My rear surrounds are small cube speakers... Fronts are capable of much lower frequencies.

They would all have to be set to small... But would i have to set the crossover for all of them to what the tiny rears could handle? Really no way around that?

Seems like a possible deal breaker

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post #130 of 385
Edit: i wonder if a high pass filter could be applied to the leads for the rear surrounds... leave the crossover at 80 and let the hpf block anything lower than say 150 (which is what audyssey crosses them at right now)

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post #131 of 385
Chris,

Why are you making the same questions again ? Make the Xover at 150 and set the big speakers to LARGE and the cubes to SMALL. You DON'T have to set all the speakers the same (large or small). The receiver will not send the bass ,supposed to be handled by the big speakers , to the sub. Only the bass below 150Hz AND supposed to be handled by the cubes will be driven to the sub. LFE will ALWAYS be driven to the sub.
post #132 of 385
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Chris,

Why are you making the same questions again ? Make the Xover at 150 and set the big speakers to LARGE and the cubes to SMALL. You DON'T have to set all the speakers the same (large or small). The receiver will not send the bass ,supposed to be handled by the big speakers , to the sub. Only the bass below 150Hz AND supposed to be handled by the cubes will be driven to the sub. LFE will ALWAYS be driven to the sub.

Sorry i should have just asked for more clarification.

If i set the fronts to large they will end up with all bass frequencies, correct? They need to be crossed at 80hz as they are just 2 mid drivers and a tweeter in each.

Regardless of speaker size settings it's like my particular setup calls for two different frequency settings. 80 to get the most use of the fronts without going to low to blow the drivers and 150 to prevent blowing up the rear drivers. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding how the size settings work.

If I'm missing something feel free to correct my thinking

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post #133 of 385
Chris:

With your configuration:

-Bass above 80 HZ wll be handled by the big speakers if they are set to LARGE.
-Bass below 150HZ will be handled by the sub , but only the bass that would be driven to the cubes, if they are set to SMALL (they should, anyway)
-LFE will be handled by the sub, regardless of any Xover.
-Bass below 80 Hz will be lost on the big speakers if they are set to LARGE.
As you can see, the problem is your "big" speakers are actually also too small to handle bass.A "normal" speaker should go as low as 60 Hz, at least.
Your best bet is to set everything to SMALL and let the sub do the job. No bass will be lost in this case.
post #134 of 385
The speaker design Im working on will actually do 60 (they start to roll off at 50), I was just using 80 since thats the "THX" spec.

"Bass below 80 Hz will be lost on the big speakers if they are set to LARGE."

Now, I dont mind if its "lost", but wont the signals still be getting to the speakers themselves, and wouldnt the speakers then try to reproduce them (i.e. blowing the drivers)? Or would the xover in the speaker itself (that splits the signal between mids and tweeter) handle it?

Sorry if my questions sound dumb....Im so used to just setting an xover value for each set of speakers separately that Ive never thought about having to integrate them into one.

And setting everything to small would work, except if I wanted to listen to music. But Im wondering if maybe the extra "slots" for MCACC setup values would come in handy there. Basically have a slot show no surrounds and then set the global xover value to 60 (or 50, not sure exactly what values are available)
post #135 of 385
The Slimoli recommendation is excellent; but first of all what speakers you have for fronts, center and surrounds? So we can have a better idea to your needs!... Besides the "Blowing the drivers" worries; are you worried about not enough bass coming out from your setup?

If that is your problem; I tried dozens of different setups at home; and right now I have an excellent tweak procedure to get a nice tight and deep bass from mcacc; at least it works excellent with my setup in which is RTia4 fronts and Rti4 Rears. I will post the process this week so other 1222 / SC-61 owners can try and see how it performs. Still on R&D Process :P

The calibration right after mcacc ends didnt get me nice results on the bass department. I was bit disappointed with Pioneer because everything sounds amazing except for the lack of bass!!..; but not anymore! Adv. MCACC is more complex than what I thought; and after weeks of reading only on MCACC topics plus with my addons I was able to get the best bass / sub audio than never before.....
Edited by javygonx - 1/23/13 at 7:40am
post #136 of 385
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Originally Posted by javygonx View Post

The Slimoli recommendation is excellent; but first of all what speakers you have for fronts, center and surrounds? So we can have a better idea to your needs!... Besides the "Blowing the drivers" worries; are you worried about not enough bass coming out from your setup?

If that is your problem; I tried dozens of different setups at home; and right now I have an excellent tweak procedure to get a nice tight and deep bass from mcacc; at least it works excellent with my setup in which is RTia& fronts and Rti4 Rears. I will post the process this week so other 1222 / SC-61 owners can try and see how it performs. Still on R&D Process :P

Im building my own speakers, but they are based on the excellent Overnight Sensation design from Paul Carmody. You can see the original plans here: https://sites.google.com/site/undefinition/overnightsensationmtm

Im messing with the enclosure dimensions a bit but performance will be the same (contacted Paul and he agreed). The center channel is a slightly different plan: https://sites.google.com/site/undefinition/updates/overnightsensationcenterchannelbipolewhatwhen but basically the same idea as the L and R (has an extra set of woofers)

My point is that they are capable of much more bass/midrange than the tiny cube surrounds.

Limiting them to 150Hz BECAUSE of the tiny cube surrounds kind of seems counter-intuitive.

But setting them to large (aka full range) would cause low frequencies that they cant handle.

Im not worried about not having enough bass (although it might be an issue, Ive never crossed over my fronts to 150 before, nor is my sub capable of handling up to 150 hz), but since I will be using it for something other than just home theater, I wanted to have a "fuller" sound for music, etc. Tiny cubes all around cant do that.
post #137 of 385
Does anyone have any current reviews on this model? I apologize for trying to rehash a question i just ask. However, i am trying to decide on what AVR to go with and am struggling if i should grab this or a Marantz/Denon of similar cost? A few things about my future setup:

1. Speakers - Polk LSi series
2. amp - I would like to add one in the future
3. 50/50 on HT vs. music usage
4. The room if fairly large (this is probably a bigger issue for the speakers)
5. Sub = TBD

As far as audio usage, i would like to use my playlists across Andriod/Apple formats. I would like the future capability to potentially use some type of external source (PC, hard drive, etc.) for movie/music storage and viewing. Any implications on doing that with this AVR?

Other than that, the bells and whisles I dont care about are 4K visual (i would probably need an avr upgrade by the time i can afford that type of TV). Also, I know it doesn't have Audyssey and that is one big thing I really wanted for room equalization, but if the pros outweigh the cons with this AVR i am not tied to it. Unless people think it should be a deal breaker.

Since this can be had on newegg through 1/28 for $549 is this too good to pass up or am i better of spending a couple more dollars for the Marantz 5007 or Denon 3313. I do know the Marantz is available for refurb off accessories4less for $599 too. So that has me wondering too
post #138 of 385
You don't have to worry as for room equalization. This Advanced MCACC does a great job when EQing the room. The only complain about MCACC is that it does not EQ the Sub. But honestly that is not an issue. l also own a Denon 3311 which has Audessey XT in which "Sub EQ"; but my sub gets a new life with this Pioneer. The Audessey is the "Easy way" to get a decent / good bass. On MCACC is the "hard way"; you have to tweak; but at the end; the results are way way better than with Audessey Xt.

After doing the learning curve on MCACC; getting the nice bass is not difficult at all. You can make your sub very tight; or deep; or deeeeep!! ;Depends on your likeness. As for music this Pioneer delivers a very crisp; high details on vocals; that's something I can't explain; you have to hear from it. But I can tell I love it much more than my Denon; in which another great receiver. I dont know if the D3 amps does some miracles here; but it does!...
Airplay works great; iPad app is excellent. Also works for Androids. Video Scaler is really awesome. My Onkyo 515 has this same video scaler chipset but for some reason on this 1222 / SC-61 has more features. I perform a test with Netflix and with a DVD Movie on both receivers; and scalar on the Pioneer looks better.
post #139 of 385
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Originally Posted by javygonx View Post

You don't have to worry as for room equalization. This Advanced MCACC does a great job when EQing the room. The only complain about MCACC is that it does not EQ the Sub. But honestly that is not an issue. l also own a Denon 3311 which has Audessey XT in which "Sub EQ"; but my sub gets a new life with this Pioneer. The Audessey is the "Easy way" to get a decent / good bass. On MCACC is the "hard way"; you have to tweak; but at the end; the results are way way better than with Audessey Xt.

After doing the learning curve on MCACC; getting the nice bass is not difficult at all. You can make your sub very tight; or deep; or deeeeep!! ;Depends on your likeness. As for music this Pioneer delivers a very crisp; high details on vocals; that's something I can't explain; you have to hear from it. But I can tell I love it much more than my Denon; in which another great receiver. I dont know if the D3 amps does some miracles here; but it does!...
Airplay works great; iPad app is excellent. Also works for Androids. Video Scaler is really awesome. My Onkyo 515 has this same video scaler chipset but for some reason on this 1222 / SC-61 has more features. I perform a test with Netflix and with a DVD Movie on both receivers; and scalar on the Pioneer looks better.

You are the man! Thank you for this. This is for sure pushing me in the 1222-k direction. Any other feedback is totally welcome if people have pros/cons to either when compaired. Javygonx, are you offering to help me with my sub EQ if i run into problems? haha.
post #140 of 385
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

You are the man! Thank you for this. This is for sure pushing me in the 1222-k direction. Any other feedback is totally welcome if people have pros/cons to either when compared. Javygonx, are you offering to help me with my sub EQ if i run into problems? haha.

Of course I will. I'm going to post a procedure in which I tried in two different setups (mine and my friends home which has a Pioneer 1121) and it works flawlessly; He also complains with the bass; but not anymore. He is as happy as I am now. Don't expect nice bass if you have tiny front speakers and a wimpy sub. But if your mains can deliver at least 60Hz and you have a decent sub (12" with at least 250W RMS) then you're set biggrin.gif I will tell you what you have to do and then let me know your results!....
post #141 of 385
I am interested in this as well. Javygonx, please let us know when/where you post the insturcitons on how to set it up. I currently have this avr with rti12 fronts, fxi16 rears, csia6 front, and the rythmik fvp15hp subwoofer but I am having dififculties getting it set up!
post #142 of 385
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Originally Posted by Scott Andersen View Post

I am interested in this as well. Javygonx, please let us know when/where you post the insturcitons on how to set it up. I currently have this avr with rti12 fronts, fxi16 rears, csia6 front, and the rythmik fvp15hp subwoofer but I am having dififculties getting it set up!

haha did you purchase this gear from polk ebay? i was going to do the same but with the LSi series (15s, 7s and LSiC front). I needed something that can drive 4ohm speakers until i can afford my amp smile.gif. This looked like a nice little find for the money. I hope until i get my amp it can make the LSi's come alive, however, my hopes aren't that high. I have read a lot of reviews saying I should get an amp right off the bat
post #143 of 385
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Originally Posted by Scott Andersen View Post

I am interested in this as well. Javygonx, please let us know when/where you post the insturcitons on how to set it up. I currently have this avr with rti12 fronts, fxi16 rears, csia6 front, and the rythmik fvp15hp subwoofer but I am having dififculties getting it set up!

JEEZZ SCOTT!!.... You have my dreams Sub!. That Rythmik is awesome; I went to the DIY route because they will charge me $350 for shipping charges! frown.gif
And I will replace my CS2 with CASia6 or CSi5 as soon as I get a nice deal!....

On your Polks and such sub I'm 100% sure you will love your Pioneer more than never!!... I will send it to you today; give me about two hours until I finish it. PM your email so I can send it to you on Word 2007 Format.
Later I will post it on this same Forum. smile.gif Will be easier for me to post pics and everything on Word then I will ported it here...
post #144 of 385
Without the ability to equalize the sub through something like a SubEQ would do in Audyssey, has anyone found this to be problematic when doing their equalization through MCACC since it doesnt account for the sub?
post #145 of 385
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Without the ability to equalize the sub through something like a SubEQ would do in Audyssey, has anyone found this to be problematic when doing their equalization through MCACC since it doesnt account for the sub?

Maybe you can post your comment here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1392589/pioneer-receivers-2012-vsx-xx22-sc-xx22-elite-vsx-6x-elite-sc-6x
post #146 of 385
I've had my Pioneer SC-1222-K for two days now, and wow this is one hell of a receiver! Probably the best receiver I've ever owned. The sound quality is fantastic! I'm so glad I didn't buy another Onkyo. This receiver puts my old SR705 to shame, and I would go as far to say this receiver beats my Emotiva UMC-1/Rotel RB-985 combo. There are a lot of features I still haven't played with yet, but so far I'm loving this receiver. Yes, the GUI and menus could be better, and so could the remote. The remote actually sucks. Only thing I really don't like. All that matters to me though is the sound quality. I don't think I'll ever go back to a class A/B amp, and I very much like MCACC, more so than Audyssey. $550 was a crazy good deal for this receiver. Anyone considering buying this, don't let the low price Newegg is selling it for scare you away. It's a really good receiver.

-Jeff
Edited by JDF1384 - 1/24/13 at 12:51am
post #147 of 385
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Originally Posted by name View Post

I've had my Pioneer SC-1222-K for two days now, and wow this is one hell of a receiver! Probably the best receiver I've ever owned. The sound quality is fantastic! I'm so glad I didn't buy another Onkyo. This receiver puts my old SR705 to shame, and I would go as far to say this receiver beats my Emotiva UMC-1/Rotel RB-985 combo. There are a lot of features I still haven't played with yet, but so far I'm loving this receiver. Yes, the GUI and menus could be better, and so could the remote. The remote actually sucks. Only thing I really don't like. All that matters to me though is the sound quality. I don't think I'll ever go back to a class A/B amp, and I very much like MCACC, more so than Audyssey. $550 was a crazy good deal for this receiver. Anyone considering buying this, don't let the low price Newegg is selling it for scare you away. It's a really good receiver.

-Jeff
Forget the ugly on screen GUI and the remote, the iOS and android app blows them away.

Regards
post #148 of 385
This will be my next reciever!
post #149 of 385
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Originally Posted by JDF1384 View Post

I've had my Pioneer SC-1222-K for two days now, and wow this is one hell of a receiver! Probably the best receiver I've ever owned. The sound quality is fantastic! I'm so glad I didn't buy another Onkyo. This receiver puts my old SR705 to shame, and I would go as far to say this receiver beats my Emotiva UMC-1/Rotel RB-985 combo. There are a lot of features I still haven't played with yet, but so far I'm loving this receiver. Yes, the GUI and menus could be better, and so could the remote. The remote actually sucks. Only thing I really don't like. All that matters to me though is the sound quality. I don't think I'll ever go back to a class A/B amp, and I very much like MCACC, more so than Audyssey. $550 was a crazy good deal for this receiver. Anyone considering buying this, don't let the low price Newegg is selling it for scare you away. It's a really good receiver.

-Jeff

Hi Jeff> WELCOME ABOARD!! I agreed totally with you; This receiver is AWESOME and I'm still saying that this beats my Denon 3311 by MILES!. Audessy for me is NOTHING Compared to this Awesome MCACC combined with D3 Amps!. I dont know why many people still love the Audessey!; in which for me Audessey was the best THING EVER for Rooms EQ; NOT ANYMORE!... Maybe Audessey XT32; but I need to test it first; but for me Audessey XT or below should kiss Advanced MCACCs Feet!

Jeff; how is your sub / bass performance? If you want a deeper bass; I make a process in which works pretty well. Few avs members tried it and really love it!.... If you wanna try then let me know!.... smile.gif
Edited by javygonx - 1/24/13 at 9:16am
post #150 of 385
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Originally Posted by javygonx View Post

Hi Jeff> WELCOME ABOARD!! I agreed totally with you; This receiver is AWESOME and I'm still saying that this beats my Denon 3311 by MILES!. Audessy for me is NOTHING Compared to this Awesome MCACC. I dont know why many people still love the Audessey!; in which for me Audessey was the best THING EVER for Rooms EQ; NOT ANYMORE!... Maybe Audessey XT32; but I need to test it first; but for me Audessey XT or below should kiss Advanced MCACCs Feet!

Jeff; how is your sub / bass performance? If you want a deeper bass; I make a process in which works pretty well. Few avs members tried it and really love it!.... If you wanna try then let me know!.... smile.gif

So i am hearing I should buy this AVR without reservation? how about comparing against the Onkyo 818? I am just so hestitant due to the lack of reviews on this thing. However the last few comments are looking more promising
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