Pioneer SC-1222-K Anyone? - Page 3

Glad to hear that. Are you running the latest firmware Ver 1-189-084-018-152.

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I love ths 1222. But for me fails in two things. And I hope this thing could be fixed by a firmware upgrade. One thing is that the manual eq goes only to 63hz and not lower. It would be nice if it adds the 4 additonal bands for sub eq as most onkyos has (25hz, 40hz, 63hz and 100hz) so we can boost at least 25hz and 40hz.

Second that you cant individually setup crossover for each speakers. It just allows one crossover setup to all speakers. What if we have a full range speakers? Also tne lowest is 50hz then jumps to 80hz. Why not add 60hz and 90hz?? My mains can goes as low as 37hz but my center to 60hz. So. I cant use 50hz because can damaged my center and 80hz the mains which is capable of more will lose everythinn from 40hz to 80hz.

And last I would like to know if there is anyway that low freq or sub sounds deeper. On my Denon 3311 the sub is deeper and fills the room while on the 1222 is more tighter or at least less deeper than denon 3311. But at least tne sub is not as tightbas my onkyo 515. I tried small/large speakers, yes/ plus settings on sub; etc ....

Any inputs are very appreciated.
Edited by javygonx - 1/9/13 at 3:38pm

You raised 2 points which have been discussed in hundreds maybe thousands of posts

first, this is the way MCACC has been from its inception, back in the early 2000's.
second, this is most of the crux of the MCACC vs Audyssey debate
third, I many have asked for these in numerous Pioneer threads over many years, only hastened by the arrival of Audyssey's latest version with sub EQ.
fourth, I have personally spoken to Chris Walker, head of marketing for Pioneer US, just this year. He told me he asked Pioneer Japan on more than one occasion to look into adding sub EQ and to have independent bass mgmt Xovers. the most hopeful sign is that Pioneer Japan engineers may start to look into the feasibility of adding sub EQ but that is not a guarantee they will or when. and finally, Mr. Walker told me Pio Japan is adamantly opposed to making the Xovers independent per channel, they told him that in their view that would result in phase issues which could degrade the audio quality.

Even with your excellent argument about varying speaker capabilities, which I also shared with Mr. Walker and he completely understands why owners would want it, the audio engineers at Pioneer Japan has no plans to deviate from the global Xover approach as it stands now. In Chris Walker's visits to Japan, as he told me, they fully believe that independent Xovers will or could introduce enough variances in delay, phase shifts and errors that audio quality will not be as pristine.

While it's possible Pioneer may eventually add sub & lower octave EQ to MCACC, the way it looks, don't count on independent Xovers ever being added, unless the audio engineers at Pioneer change their minds.

And I'm willing to bet I'm not alone in raising these points with Pioneer. BTW- I'm not a dealer, affiliated with a store or dealer, I'm just an informed, enthusiast who happens to like Pioneer products and happened to have the opportunity to meet several marketing people at a CEDIA show I attended several years ago. So Chris Walker knows who I am & that I'm active in AVSForum Pioneer threads

you had some form of Audyssey, now you don't I don't know of a way to tell you how to "duplicate" the results of one system with another, unless you used an accurate measurement tool like Omnimic, XTZ, REW software and had real measurements between the 2. that said, you could try increasing the sub output level in MCACC, get an external sub equalizer, like the Velodyne SMS1 or DSPeaker Antimode, and tweak it, or boost the 63 & 125 hz levels in manual MCACC.

have you tried manually adjusting several freq bands, 63, 125, 250, in one of the MCACC presets?

also remember, with Audyssey you had no control over what it did, and sometimes people don't like the effect of Audyssey on bass, because it's flattened response. you use the word flat to describe your results from MCACC. it's possible the MCACC is actually flatter than what Audyssey gave you especially with Pioneer's Standing Wave filters which are a form of simple parametric notch filters to cut excessive bass peaks or nulls, and the bass phase adjustments in Phase Control. Trying turning one or both of them off to see if you like the sound better.

the one advantage of MCACC over Audyssey is you have the ability to manually tweak settings, with Audyssey you don't unless you use it's simple EQ'r mode. you were used to how Audyssey sounded, now it's a bit different & your ears haven't adjusted yet. listen for a few days & then see if you still feel the same way. if so, you can start making adjustments.

Thanks ss9001. As you said. Im new on mcacc and you are 100% correct and its that my ears are like in "audessey mode" lol. I have to get used to mcacc but honestly, honestly, honestly this advanced mcacc is great. I agreed with you on the Crossovers. If pioneer engineers say thst then is ok. I can live with that, but adding the 25hz and 40hz would be totally awesome. I will be happy only with that and if they add also sub management then bye bye Audessey. I tweak 63 hz and 125hz, not 250hz. Also on SW trim I raised 3db and is much better now, but still needs some work. Will contine tomorrow until I can get the results I want. Im pretty close though!! I will try the astanding Wave / Phase thing off. Subwoofer Standing wave would be awesome if it can get lower to 63hz, but its not; even that the graph displays 16 hz! That woud be an opportunity to Pioneer Engineers to improve the Standing Wave Sub to boost/eq the sub!

Im really very impressed with mcacc. About duplicate the results from denon to pionner I have an idea. I dont have spl or rews but I can see audessey eq graphics results on the 3311 in which has exactly the same 9 eq bands. So I can run auddessey on denon, write results on paper, then run mcacc on memory bank 6 and compare both results and match it. Probably I can get nice results. I have to experiment.

Also I have a behriger feedback destroyer. I never used it but i read somewhere it can be use to eq sub. Feels its not easy to setup but If I can make it works I can live with that until Pioneer release 2013 receivers. Lets see if they surprised us with such features most Pioneers owners wants.

Btw I tried Ypao too on my Yamaha 471. And I didnt like it at all. Maybe on Aventage models or high end models do a better job. Im not sure if there are different ypao flavors but audessey 2eq does a better job in my opinion than the ypao from 471. About music. I have to respect Yamaha. Music is fantastic on yamaha.
Edited by javygonx - 1/9/13 at 11:32pm

I got one of these for Christmas, replacing my ancient-but-trustworthy VSX-D608. I haven't delved too deeply into the features, but so far I love it.

I just unboxed it, hooked it up (yanked out the Monoprice HDMI and Audio Authority Component switches as they're no longer necessary), let the automatic setup discover my speakers (Advent Heritage fronts, Advent Baby II's back - nothing fancy but I've had them forever and they have high WAF), and it sounds GREAT.

No HDMI issues here (knock on wood speakers)

That's what I've done, calibrated using MCACC, then copied the settings to a different memory slot and tweaked it to my likening.

I completely agree! I followed the manual and hooked the subwoofer up incorrecly, needs to be in Subwoofer 1. After correctly connecting my sub, I changed the setting to "PLUS" and this really increased the Bass.

I am seeing a red hue or red tint on my TV, which I never noticed with my Onkyo. I have an HDMI cable running from my Time Warner Cable Box into HDMI 2 on the receiver, and then I have an HDMI cable running from the receiver's HDMI Out to the TV. I can fix the problem by resetting my receiver. Is this a problem with interference or the receiver? I have moved the cable box away from the receiver and tried another HDMI cable... same red tint. Any ideas?

Hi again. Finally I get a decent low bass but at a cost. I lost some punch and midbass. This Mcacc is not easy; probably thats why most people prefer audessey. Audessey is like calibrate and forget In fact manual mcacc is a pain if wan to get the best sound after automatic mcacc. Its fun; gives you headache; dizziness; nausea; but at the end a big happy smile in your face. Im almost set to get the nice bass I want. Low freq. sounds pretty good, now i have to find out how get a nice mid- punch bass , i noticed when playing blackops; granandes and lunch granades sounds awesome, but Now i cant hear my own steps when I was sprinting; that was something i was able to hear loud and clear on the denon 3311, and onkyo 515. Also I noticed that after you tweak you eq values in Advanced Mcacc,; if you use the finger eq application from ipad it also equalize again but it does not touch the eq already saved on any of the memory slots! Or even do not autmatically load what you have already setup in Manual Mcacc EQ Setup and diplay it on the app. It just keeps the eq settings of what you have on the memory slot and like re-eq using the app.

UPDATE
Here is what I found when lacking mid bass punch on mcac. I need some help here because I domt understand. The guy mentioned soemthing about low sub preout and high sub preout? Two diferent types of sub preouts?
Here it is:

"If you are using a sub then set speakers to small even if they are actually large and use the low level sub preout to connect to the sub! If you have to or want to use the high, speaker level sub connection then do not run the sub during EQ calibrations as this will badly affect the EQ and bass punch could be missing. These topics: high vs low sub connection, small vs large speakers has much coverage in the sub forum if you want to understand the arguments behind this.,"
Edited by javygonx - 1/10/13 at 11:11pm

javygonx, i am posting what you told me via PM here because it needs to be made available to the general public.

If you are having issues with the iControl app, make sure you have the correct app installed. There are two versions in the Google Play store!

1. iControl AV2
2. iControl AV2012

to control the sc-1222k, i required iControl AV2012. AV2 would NOT work.

don't get them confused.

when you type in iContr while searching, it will pull up the wrong one. so just be sure to double check!

I formatted my 16 Gig SanDisk drive 3 times with no luck; however, the firmware updated the first time with an 8 Gig PNY drive.

Same here tried every way possible with a san disk 8 gb. Bought a PNY 8 gb attache usb drive and it worked the first time. Took a while to do the update. Maybe 15 - 20 minutes.

Sure. Also I found that you can even turn on the receiver via the app. Allvyou have to do is to enable Network Idle Setting. Enjoy. I still want some inputs about the mid punch bass and two different sub preout inputs??

I know there are two sub preouts but the low/high thing is something weired for me!

Update: i think i know whats the low/high thing. I beleive wjen low it refers to use tne lfe rca connection in line. High is whem connecting tbe sub with tbe wire speakers to the receivers left and right channels.
Edited by javygonx - 1/13/13 at 12:07am

Btw, netlfix is streaming in Super HD and 3D. Very, very nice. Now looks very good and 3D is awesome. Pretty close to bluray 3D.

Explain?


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What exactly do you want me to explain? Videos with supported super hd looks very very good, and 3d videos if you have a 3d tv are awesome. Turn on cinema video processing on 1222; select pro or do your own setting and streaming looks even better. In the past those HD titles that netfix has are not hd at all ; now this super hds are very good.

How do I set my subwoofer to 80hz? My subwoofer says to set it on receiver but i Can't figure put how.

Press menu, select system setup then manual sp setup then speaker settings tjen select X. Over and select 80hz. On your sub make sure that the corossover knob are all way clockwise so tne receiver takes care of the crossover.

well..uhh.....adjusting video settings tonight and suddenly, there is a massive PINK cast to the entire picture. the only way i can get rid of it is to turn off V. Conv and all of the associated video capabilities. works fine like that. but...is it broken? i am worried that something is wrong. i really don't want to have to get into a back and forth returning this thing for $25 return shipping each time....not to mention going without sound.

Try setting the output resolution on your cable box to the highest level that your TV can handle. Most cable boxes have "Auto Select" or all of the resolutions selected by default, just select one. I was having the same problem and I set my cable box to output 1080i resolution and this fixed the problem.

This is probably HDMI handshaking problems. Try replugging the HDMI cables, set the 1212 to not convert video (video parameter function), fix the output resolution on the source, if it's a BD player set it to 1080P, if it's cable box, set it to 1080i. Try to figure which upconversion is causing the handshaking glitch.

it did the same thing on my Roku XS and my cable box 8300HDC. i have my Roku fixed at 1080p. Cable box is set to output only 720p and 1080i. I went through the resolution settings on the AVR. didn't seem to help. however, it may well have happened initially when fiddling with the resolution settings so hopefully we are on the right track. i will try swapping HDMI cables tonight.

to boot, pink cast is probably not the correct word. it's SO pink, it completely unwatchable. it almost looks like a thermal imaging camera.

After days of searching for my new receiver, I think I'm finally sold on a SC-1222-K. Before I finally pull the trigger on this though, I was wanting to know how hot this receiver gets. Looking at the dimensions of this receiver and measuring my rack, it looks like I'll only have an inch and a half of space above for ventilation. My Onkyo would get hot enough to fry an egg, but as I understand this pioneer has a digital amp which is supposed to run cooler. Is an inch and a half enough for ventilation, or am I going to have problems with overheating? I'm also wondering if the faceplate is aluminum or not. I don't particularly like plastic faceplates (and who does?). I know it's trivial, but plastic just looks cheap.

-Jeff

i would say that mine barely even gets warm. WAY WAY cooler than my 8300HDC cable box which sits on top of it. In fact, i think the heat goes the other way (from the box to the AVR). It's a complete non-issue for me.

As far as the front, i don't think it's aluminum. It doesn't look bad at all. for this price, i think you have to make some sacrifices. you could step up to the SC-63 for a few hundred more....i think it has the aluminum. just depends how much it's worth to you. i had an 'issue' with that as well (definitely not now), but again, you MUST keep in mind that this is a PRICE/POWER play. it gets you about 88% of the way to 'perfect'. it ain't perfect. but there is NO perfect receiver IMHO. once you get it, you focus on the positives!

Jeff -
I just got this receiver yesterday. I upgraded from an onkyo 707 which died on me last week. My description of onkyo is exactly the same as yours...I swear I could fry an egg on there after being on for only 30 minutes. I ran the pioneer for nearly 7 hours yesterday and was amazed how cool it was the entire time. It is quite a bit bigger than my onkyo was and I was a little worried about it fitting in my cabinent but it fits with about 2 inches clearance above it. I will be running fans on top of the receiver so I'm not too worried about the low clearance. So far I really like the receiver, however it is not nearly as easy to set up as the onkyo in my opinion. The menu's aren't nearly as intuitive and I really dislike the remote. I think these are minor things that I will get used to with time. Two problems I'm having though is programing the remote to control my bd player and satellite receiver. I spent a couple hours trying to do it last night but have been unsuccessful so far. Also, like someone else mentioned earlier I'm not able to switch to my cd player and listen to music while still watching tv. The onkyo allowed me to do this but I'm not sure this Pioneer will allow me to do that. I'm sure it just takes a little time to get used to the different brand, but so far I'm really happy with it. My system sounds great and that's what I really care about.

Mingus, i concur with your assessment of the CD player switch. in general, the Pioneer's 'transitional performance' could have been a bit better thought out. when i auditioned the onkyo 818, i noticed the user interface definitely being more polished, not only aesthetically, but also in terms of one's ability to adjust video and sound parameters while not interrupting current programming etc.

the sound though. the sound the sound the sound. i keep coming back to it. i don't care HOW smooth that onkyo interface was......i was not gonna trade the audio performance. it was a STARK difference in my opinion.

Jeff; get this receiver is awesome. I have a Denon 3311 and I have to say this Pioneer is way way better!. You will have no problems with heating on your 1.5" clearance; This receiver runs pretty cool!. Its very powerful too; Audio is so clear; the bass and sub is at other level.; surround details are great. Of course you have to tweak your settings after mcacc calibration; but its worthy, wothy, worthy!!!!!!!!!!!!!..... On the last movie of Batman; the voice from the "bad guy" with the mask is impressive!...on my Polk RTia7 and Cs2 Center!

Do not worry about heat, this amplifier has the best value. Interface is ugly and the setup is not nice, but very easy. The nice interface is in the app for iPad. It is a pleasure to deal with it. Anyway the Pandora setup can not be done with this app.

I'm still having problems with Pandora, even after upgrading to the latest firmware using USB I'm still unable to connect it to my account. Are you having the same issue?

Regards

Oki