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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

Was hoping to get input on a few TV's we're considering for this holiday, but first I want to give a brief description of our living room.
It gets pretty sunny, no direct sunlight but lots of reflected light from the neighboring building, during daytime hours. Most of our viewing during these daytime hours would be on weekends for sports. During the week we're mostly watching programs after work and at night.

As mentioned I'm a sports guy so I'd like to have something that can keep up with football, hockey, soccer. We also watch Food channel but are mostly channel flippers at this point with a young daughter in the house.
Occasionally I'll use the PS3 and we'll watch some BluRay's but again, it's mostly the channels we get from our overpriced DirecTV package.

So final needs are, occasional bright room viewing (a little more than 1/3), can keep up with sports, watch mostly cable.

Here are the TV's in our price range.

Note: We currently have a Vizio VO42L LCD and it's been great for us!

LED's -
Samsung 65EH6000
Samsung 65ES6500
Vizio M650VSE

Plasma's -
Samsung PN64E550
Samsung PN64E7000
Panasonic TC-P65ST50

Thanks very much!
Edited by Chief Wiggum - 11/25/12 at 8:08pm
post #2 of 21
What is your viewing distance? And do you have HD service?

Assuming that your current panel is 42" (from model number....), you are likely to find that the PQ on a 64-65" panel is somewhat disappointing: the larger panel will do an Excellent Job of Showing Off whatever FLAWS exist in your programming, and especially (of course) any SD or Less-Then-Optimal "HD" sources. (And most "HT TV" or Streaming channels are less-than-optimal, in our experience.)

Blu-rays should look Outstanding; "HD TV' programs will probably be acceptable, given a Not-Too-Close seating distance.

FWIW: 9 feet standard seating distance from our 60ST50; I prefer SD DVDs (on the rare occasion we view them on this panel) from a secondary position of about 12 ft back. HD TV, via UVerse, varies from Pretty Good to Fairly Horrible, depending upon Channel, and - sometimes - whether viewed "live" or off the DVR....
post #3 of 21
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Viewing distance is about 12' straight on and a little more as you get off angle. Yes, all HD service.
The current Vizio is indeed a 42" and I hear what you're saying with the imperfections becoming more apparent on the bigger screen.
Based on how I described the brightness of the room could you suggest any of the sets I listed below?
Thx!
post #4 of 21
I have a Samsung Plasma in My Bedroom Great Picture, cannot comment on Bright room viewing as I only view it at night. I have a Panasonic Plasma in the Living Room and while I know the Led are brighter the Plasma suits me well. I do get some sun light in the early day but I can live with it. My Panny is the UT50 though and I understand the higher models have an antiglare coating that will help with glare. The current LEDs are pretty good but the PQ is superior on the Plasmas. All MY OPinion of course not looking to stir up a fight.
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

What is your viewing distance? And do you have HD service?
Assuming that your current panel is 42" (from model number....), you are likely to find that the PQ on a 64-65" panel is somewhat disappointing: the larger panel will do an Excellent Job of Showing Off whatever FLAWS exist in your programming, and especially (of course) any SD or Less-Then-Optimal "HD" sources. (And most "HT TV" or Streaming channels are less-than-optimal, in our experience.)
Blu-rays should look Outstanding; "HD TV' programs will probably be acceptable, given a Not-Too-Close seating distance.
FWIW: 9 feet standard seating distance from our 60ST50; I prefer SD DVDs (on the rare occasion we view them on this panel) from a secondary position of about 12 ft back. HD TV, via UVerse, varies from Pretty Good to Fairly Horrible, depending upon Channel, and - sometimes - whether viewed "live" or off the DVR....

I don't mean to hijack, but I'm curious what your thoughts on the 65st50 from a 9.5 ft, elevated (44" at base)? I realize the elevated position isn't ideal, but unfortunately, it's out of necessity. We watch a lot of HDTelevision (via DirecTV)...AMC, FX, Comedy Central, HBO, etc...

As to the OP, the below is a great article, and lists off some big screen TVs that are comparable to the ST50's PQ and bang for buck value.

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-big-tv-is-the-panasonic-st50/
Edited by taylord22 - 11/27/12 at 9:59am
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the WIRECUTTER link. It cannot be debated, the ST and VT get stellar reviews.
Regrettably when I went into my local Video Audio store today in Santa Monica I have to say the Panasonics were a little 'dingier' than the Samsung Plasmas (and of course the Samsung LED's).
I played with the settings - THX, Vivid, Game, Custom - and none seemed to really POP the NBA TV or the ESPN feed they had (both basketball).
Continue to be somewhat concerned about getting one of these Panasonic sets dialed into our living room which has a good deal of bright room viewing, esp. on weekends with sports.
post #7 of 21
Chief, my 60GT50 just arrived so can't make any direct comments to it yet. But just so you're aware, the GT and VT have a THX Bright Room setting that from what I've read has gotten good reviews for what you have described your room to be.
post #8 of 21
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Erik, would be very interested to get your thoughts on the GT once you have it dialed in a bit. Are you in a bright room? Even if you're not, would be curious to get your thoughts on if you think the settings would suffice for normal daytime viewing.
Let me know in a week or so?
Thanks!
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by Chief Wiggum View Post

Erik, would be very interested to get your thoughts on the GT once you have it dialed in a bit. Are you in a bright room? Even if you're not, would be curious to get your thoughts on if you think the settings would suffice for normal daytime viewing.
Let me know in a week or so?
Thanks!

Hey Chief,

I just received my ST50 (went through Dnice's slides/settings) and it's pretty stellar. Noticeable difference between it and my 240hz Samsung LED (Samsung UN55D7900)...our room gets a fair amount of light, and the new panel seems to do as well in a bright room as my friend's 65" Vizio LED (which admittedly, is a bit poorer than other LEDs). Overall, it has exceeded my expectations, so far.

Just a thought: maybe you could order from Amazon and take advantage of their stellar return policy?
post #10 of 21
My two cents:

Don't be bogged down with the brightness issue on Panasonic plasmas. I have a 5 year old Panny (see sig.) in a room which sometimes gets direct sunlight at an angle for a little while. I have never had a real problem with brightness, even in the brightest parts of the day, and that is even in the "darker" Cinema mode that I usually watch things in....plus, there are other modes to choose if and when you are inclined to bump the brightness a bit, such as Standard mode. With so many options available, I hardly think brightness is a real issue anymore. Maybe I am biase towards plasma because I love the stellar picture on mine so much, so be it.....Being a sports guy, you should keep in mind plasmas are much better with motion than the other types of panels. I recently bought a new, smaller, 32 inch LCD LED TV for the bedroom from Samsung. Not a top of the line model, but not the bottom either. Picture is good, but just does not compare to the 5 year old Panny. Just saying, when it comes time to replace my main TV, it will more than likely be a plasma, and a Panasonic at that, top of the line model. I just have not been impressed with the others over the years including LCD "yuck" or LED LCD. Do yourself a favor, treat your family for Christmas, and get the Panny plasma.
Edited by sourbeef - 12/3/12 at 5:43pm
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by taylord22 View Post

Hey Chief,
I just received my ST50 (went through Dnice's slides/settings) and it's pretty stellar. Noticeable difference between it and my 240hz Samsung LED (Samsung UN55D7900)...our room gets a fair amount of light, and the new panel seems to do as well in a bright room as my friend's 65" Vizio LED (which admittedly, is a bit poorer than other LEDs). Overall, it has exceeded my expectations, so far.
Just a thought: maybe you could order from Amazon and take advantage of their stellar return policy?

That's great to hear man. Have you watched any faster sports on it yet? Sounds like there's so signs of what I've described as a 'dingyness', very encouraging.
May I ask where you got it and what you paid? No worries if you don't want to share that.
Also, I've never ordered something so big and $ from Amazon, what IS their return policy for big items such as tvs?
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by sourbeef View Post

My two cents:
Don't be bogged down with the brightness issue on Panasonic plasmas. I have a 5 year old Panny (see sig.) in a room which sometimes gets direct sunlight at an angle for a little while. I have never had a real problem with brightness, even in the brightest parts of the day, and that is even in the "darker" Cinema mode that I usually watch things in....plus, there are other modes to choose if and when you are inclined to bump the brightness a bit, such as Standard mode. With so many options available, I hardly think brightness is a real issue anymore. Maybe I am biase towards plasma because I love the stellar picture on mine so much, so be it.....Being a sports guy, you should keep in mind plasmas are much better with motion than the other types of panels. I recently bought a new, smaller, 32 inch LCD LED TV for the bedroom from Samsung. Not a top of the line model, but not the bottom either. Picture is good, but just does not compare to the 5 year old Panny. Just saying, when it comes time to replace my main TV, it will more than likely be a plasma, and a Panasonic at that, top of the line model. I just have not been impressed with the others over the years including LCD "yuck" or LED LCD. Do yourself a favor, treat your family for Christmas, and get the Panny plasma.

Dear Sour, or, Mr. Beef,
Thanks for all the plasma praise, honestly it keeps seeming like that's where I'm going. I suppose one thing that's had me worried / hung up is in the CNET reviews for the ST, GT and even the VT, they all say the same in THE BAD section: "The ST50 uses more power than competing LCD TVs, and doesn't perform as well in bright rooms as those with matte screens." However, I guess what you're saying is it's truly not an issue.
You've never experienced what I like to refer to as a 'dingyness' when sometimes watching plasmas? I feel like I even noticed this on the ST when I watched it at the Video Audio center in Santa Monica last week.
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by Chief Wiggum View Post

That's great to hear man. Have you watched any faster sports on it yet? Sounds like there's so signs of what I've described as a 'dingyness', very encouraging.
May I ask where you got it and what you paid? No worries if you don't want to share that.
Also, I've never ordered something so big and $ from Amazon, what IS their return policy for big items such as tvs?

I paid 1997.00 (after being price matched). Their return policy is excellent...30 days no questions asked (free shipping)...

Re: brightness, I wasn't overly worried about reflections after reading thewirecutter.com review...however, from the brief amount of content I've watched on it, it's exceeded my expectation — it's less reflective than some LCDs we have in the house. In fact, it handles light, easily, better than a friend of mines 1yr old 65" Vizio LED (don't remember the model). It would take direct light to create reflections.

Re: sports. I bought this TV with hockey in mind. When they're playing (cry) it accounts for 50% of my viewing. I watched a playoff game I had On the DVR right out of the box and was impressed with how much better it handled the game. Sure, the white didn't 'pop', but the way it handles shadows (and speed) lends itself really well to hockey. (By the way, the white was probably more representative of how white actual Scottrade Center's ice was)
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by Chief Wiggum View Post

Dear Sour, or, Mr. Beef,
Thanks for all the plasma praise, honestly it keeps seeming like that's where I'm going. I suppose one thing that's had me worried / hung up is in the CNET reviews for the ST, GT and even the VT, they all say the same in THE BAD section: "The ST50 uses more power than competing LCD TVs, and doesn't perform as well in bright rooms as those with matte screens." However, I guess what you're saying is it's truly not an issue.
You've never experienced what I like to refer to as a 'dingyness' when sometimes watching plasmas? I feel like I even noticed this on the ST when I watched it at the Video Audio center in Santa Monica last week.

OK, consider first of all that stores are insanely bright to begin with. Plasmas in that setting often appear darker, duller to the eyes. I had the same thing happen to me 5 years ago when I was purchasing my first big TV. I did my homework on the AVS forums, was fairly convinced that plasma was the way to go. Went to Best Buy and Sears and the Panny plasmas looked darker overall to the blazing LCD sets that were sitting beside them. I cannot imagine the eye fatigue I would have by now if I had decided on one of the LCD sets, which were all the rage back then and heavily pushed by the salesmen. When you get your plasma in a normal setting such as your house, you will be amazed at the stunning clarity of the picture and how bright the subdued set in the store looks in your own space. I am so glad I came to these forums before I bought anything. Once I decided on plasma the big question was which brand, Panasonic, Samsung, or the revered Pioneer Kuro. Since Pioneer was roughly twice the cost of my then expensive $3500 Panasonic, and this was my very first big screen flat panel anything, I was reluctantly able to rule that out. I told myself that Pioneer would be my next plasma assuming I liked the first one to begin with.....You don't even need to be concerned with Pioneer since they stopped making them unless a good older set becomes available...... So I focused on Panasonic and Samsung, went to stores looking only at them, my eyes agreed with many on here that Panny was the way to go, and I have not regretted it for a moment.
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by Chief Wiggum View Post

Viewing distance is about 12' straight on and a little more as you get off angle.
At 12ft i would not consider going bigger 50 - 55" but if you really want big screen performance than go with 60" but i am here to tell you that a screen that large that close is not comfortable to view because your eyes are having to move too much to view the entire picture. Owning a plasma set may be a pain on the arse at times but the PQ makes up for it especially at night, don't be afraid to use a plasma in the daytime, it may not be as vivid as a LCD/LED but you would be hard pressed to tell without a side by side comparo, in your scenario i would surely go with panasonic plasma and the ST50 series in particular.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by Chief Wiggum View Post

Viewing distance is about 12' straight on and a little more as you get off angle. Yes, all HD service.
The current Vizio is indeed a 42" and I hear what you're saying with the imperfections becoming more apparent on the bigger screen.
Based on how I described the brightness of the room could you suggest any of the sets I listed below?
Thx!

Definitely go 60" or maybe even 65" at that viewing distance, I have a 55" at 8 feet and could easily deal with a 60".
post #17 of 21
Chief, I've now had the set for a week. And it's awesome! For FIOS, I've been using the THX Cinema settings, and no complaints. It was a good day of football viewing on Sunday. Noticed nothing about the games that you would correlate to the TV. Now I'm not a videophile so I can't be completely trusted!! My room is not especially bright, so I can't really help you there unfortunately. I'm sitting about 12' away as well, with the TV over a fireplace tilted slightly down, and have the 60". It's fantastic. A little piece of me wishes I had the 65", but the 60 is a very good size. I don't think I would have been as happy with the 55" coming from a 51" CRT.

I did watch a little hockey on NHL Network (end the lockout idiots!), and didn't see any of the white flashing or anything out of the ordinary, but it was a very small sample size. Watched some English League and NBA and the TV is flawless. It might be my untrained eye, but everything is great from my point of view. BluRays really make the TV shine as well.
post #18 of 21
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Definitely go 60" or maybe even 65" at that viewing distance, I have a 55" at 8 feet and could easily deal with a 60".

+1 my 58 incher is twelve feet away and I could go bigger if I wanted to., 65" easily.
post #19 of 21
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+1 my 58 incher is twelve feet away and I could go bigger if I wanted to., 65" easily.

You need a 65" ST/VT/GT then smile.gif
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
The forum has spoken! Seems like Plasma is the direction I'm headed.

Now to this, Tiger Direct has the Samsung PN64E7000 for $2176.99 through tomorrow (this is the price all in). From what I've seen, that's a great deal!
However, I read another thread on here were people were not too happy about the Samsung Plasma's buzzing - some folks had to try two or three sets and it still was an issue. Thoughts on that?
Second, it looks like Tiger only offers 15 days to return. Has anyone has any experience (good or bad) ordering with them? 15 days does not seem like a lot of time to get the set dialed in, esp. as we have a new little one in the house.
Lastly, Tiger (like several companies) offer threshold delivery service - which sounds like they drop it off and you sign off. From what I've heard this typically consists of 3rd party grumpy drivers who are in a hurry to get to their next delivery. Technically, do they have to stay there while you take the TV out of the box and plug it in to make sure it works? Anyone have some experience here?

Thanks!
post #21 of 21
Congrats on being a dad. Just make sure to zoom the picture if your kid watches Cartoon Network.

This channel logo is a plasma murderer:



What the hell do they need all that contrast for anyway? rolleyes.gif

Gonna write a letter.

Anyway, I've had to fight with Tigerdirect in the past, but not over TVs. Personally I'd try to stick to Amazon as they are very accommodating in case something goes wrong. I've also had good experience with 6ave and us-appliance.
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