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post #31 of 55
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two people at a meeting I go to just told me to pick up a Vizio 42" at Target...they said they have been very happy with theirs...lol...maybe i do too much "research" for my own good? <$500 they said...NOT videophiles for sure

Vizio gets mixed love around here so you might want to do a little more research if you've narrowed it down to a particular model.
post #32 of 55
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i just checked them online. never mind smile.gif not enough hdmi inputs on some, various things missing that i want to have...
post #33 of 55
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I've pretty much zoned in on the TV I want (LG 55LM7600), and I've decided rather arbitrarily on a 5.1 sound system. However, I still have a couple questions regarding the sound system. If I get, say, the Yamaha system, it comes with a receiver included. Am I better off buying (a different brand) receiver and buying the speakers/subwoofer separately? I'm talking about the quality more than the cost, though of course there is a cost/benefit decision involved.

Next, what kind of router? What do I need it to do and what data transfer rates?

Would any of you like to come to Buffalo and help me with this process? No snow yet...mild temperatures (for December in Buffalo)....no takers? smile.gif
post #34 of 55
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Originally Posted by Blind Broccoli View Post

I've pretty much zoned in on the TV I want (LG 55LM7600), and I've decided rather arbitrarily on a 5.1 sound system. However, I still have a couple questions regarding the sound system. If I get, say, the Yamaha system, it comes with a receiver included. Am I better off buying (a different brand) receiver and buying the speakers/subwoofer separately? I'm talking about the quality more than the cost, though of course there is a cost/benefit decision involved.
Next, what kind of router? What do I need it to do and what data transfer rates?
Would any of you like to come to Buffalo and help me with this process? No snow yet...mild temperatures (for December in Buffalo)....no takers? smile.gif

I have a Yamaha system and have been very happy with it. Conventional wisdom says that you are always better off buying separate components, but that can get very costly very fast. Depending on how discriminating your hearing is, speakers do, and will, make all the difference in the world. You might find that the little speakers that come with your Yamaha HTiB (Home Theater in a Box) are sufficient. But that all depends on your listening environment, furnishings, etc. Generally speaking, it's always better to spend a little more on the speakers than the receiver. Do you want bookshelf-sized speakers or floor standing? Which Yamaha system did you look at?

I wouldn't worry too much about data transfer rates because most all new routers by the major mfrs have the capability of high throughput. The deciding factor is your ISP (what's the download/upload speed, kind of connection, etc) and your living environment. What is between your router and the tv/receiver can make a big difference as well, unless you are not going WiFi and are going wired, then it's a moot point. Thanks for the Buffalo offer but I'll have to pass wink.gif
post #35 of 55
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What I picked out online was the Yamaha YHT-497BL. ISP is Roadrunner. It is 600W max throughput but the subwoofer is only 100W--is that enough? They had a Yamaha set on sale in the store at Best Buy for $399 but I don't see it online.
post #36 of 55
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I think it's the 397BL (instead of 497)
post #37 of 55
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Man this is nearly three grand with everything I *think* I need...not including setup, any extended warranty, calibration down the line...I am discouraged at the cost of this. I am not "technischbegabt" to buy used stuff or cobble things together from different sources (depending where the bargains are). Frustrating!
post #38 of 55
You might want to make a series of purchases, instead of all at once.

Spring for the LG 55" 7600 first (or it's cheaper brother 6700). This has all the streaming you will need...so you dont need a box.

And get yourself a Wireless N Router. This should be rather easy....just follow the crowd and focus on ease of use and reliability.

Then a cheap Blu Ray Player, like the Sony BP-185.

Then start auditioning speakers. I agree with Otto, speakers are important to the sound, moreso than just about anything else. If you dont know where to start, you are going to have to take someones advice. The inexpensive Energy Take 5 system is very popular and for good reason. I like the Realistic Minimus 7 and Minimus 77, too. There is also the Boston Acoustics HD-7....another one I like. Generally what you are looking for is a 2 way speaker with a 5" to 8" woofer and a tweeter. I personally like soft textile dome tweeters, especially silk. Very smooth. But then again, Film soundtracks have somewhat different requirements than music listening. Often metal domes are favored for Home Theater duty. All that being said, anything will work, really. And personal taste comes into it. But just know that you dont have to spend a fortune to get good sound, and sound that you personally like. And that is what matters most, that YOU like it.

A good plan is to get a less expensive used HTIB, to get you started and then shop for speakers at your leisure. Then shop for the perfect A/V receiver to power them later, after youve picked out some agreeable speakers and replaced the HTIB's included set.

I wouldnt spend money on calibration. Instead you can burn a freebie disc like the AVS 709 or Getgray. Or the Avia disc is pretty inexpensive. Or Disney Wow! for BluRay (though you really dont need a BluRay disc to calibrate the settings). Follow advice from people in the LG 7600 thread with regards to advanced settings, and change those before going through the disc.

The Display & Router should come first. Get a BluRay for it's quality source ability. Then work on the sound.
Edited by EscapeVelocity - 12/18/12 at 8:48pm
post #39 of 55
you'll still have the same problem, only with one less ethernet cable.
post #40 of 55
Here is a nice deal on a quality product...

Onkyo TX-NR509 5.1 Channel Network A/V Receiver $173.50 + Free Shipping
post #41 of 55
EscapeVelocity's comments are excellent. I'd like to add the MLT2's as nice bookshelve-sized speakers. This is a lot of info for you to digest so just take it one device at a time.
post #42 of 55
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Damn damn damn I just laboriously did a list of what I was thinking of buying in columns and i paged back and when I came back here it was gone frown.giffrown.gif all that work for nothing...

Nuts I'm too tired to redo it.

LM7600, Onkyo A/R and MLT-2 speakers as described above, Panasonic 220 BluRay, Medialink 802.11N router with internal antenna 2.4ghz, two 6' high-speed Mediabridge Ultra HDMI cables, and a freakin' stand for like $360 (how can I save this?? tho it is going in my living room...) all told ~$2553. Yes or no? The deal on the MLT-2 speakers looked too good to be true, $349 supposedly 71% off?? OTOH speakers plus Onkyo receiver=double the cost of a 5.1 TIAB from Yamaha...

Any words of advice at this point? That figure does not include tax or setup costs (whole room plus wireless setup). God it it hard to pull the trigger on a purchase that size no matter how good a "deal" it might be...OTOH I can't take it with me...can you tell I have trouble making decisions?
post #43 of 55
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Originally Posted by Blind Broccoli View Post

Damn damn damn I just laboriously did a list of what I was thinking of buying in columns and i paged back and when I came back here it was gone frown.giffrown.gif all that work for nothing...
Nuts I'm too tired to redo it.
LM7600, Onkyo A/R and MLT-2 speakers as described above, Panasonic 220 BluRay, Medialink 802.11N router with internal antenna 2.4ghz, two 6' high-speed Mediabridge Ultra HDMI cables, and a freakin' stand for like $360 (how can I save this?? tho it is going in my living room...) all told ~$2553. Yes or no? The deal on the MLT-2 speakers looked too good to be true, $349 supposedly 71% off?? OTOH speakers plus Onkyo receiver=double the cost of a 5.1 TIAB from Yamaha...
Any words of advice at this point? That figure does not include tax or setup costs (whole room plus wireless setup). God it it hard to pull the trigger on a purchase that size no matter how good a "deal" it might be...OTOH I can't take it with me...can you tell I have trouble making decisions?
I love my new RX-V473 Yamaha 5.1 receiver mated to 6 Polk Audio speakers including subwoofer. Thought about an Onkyo or Denon then my financial conservatism (i.e. cheapness) kicked in and I saw the light while saving a couple hundred bucks compared to the ones I was considering.

By the way, I use Mediabridge HDMI cables also. smile.gif
post #44 of 55
That is a nice deal on a quality 5.1 set of Martin Logan speakers, though, it has been around $400 regular for a couple of years now. Very popular.

You can save money on cables at Monoprice, which has anything and everything you may need. Also they have inexpensive mounts, that are very popular.
post #45 of 55
I have the RX-V371 (a "smaller" one than BoilerJim's) paired with the Yamaha speakers that came with it. It sounds really good but have auditioned the MLT-2s with the receiver and it sounds awesome, so they are on my buy list after the holidays. All cables are MediaBridge. The blu-ray player is the Panasonic BDT-210 and the router is an Apple Extreme Base Station.
post #46 of 55
Just throwing htis out there. Amazon has another deal on an Onkyo.

Onkyo TX-NR809 7.2-Channel 3D THX Network A/V Receiver $449 + Free shipping

This one closer to the Top of the Line. The other one being Middle of the Line.


Im an Onkyo fan from way back since the 80s. My brother is a Yamaha fan. Yamaha is good, I like the way they are confident in going their own way....like using their own developed DACs, as just one example.

You cant go wrong either way. Denon is good too.

Im just throwing this out there. Buying the A/V receiver first isnt the best plan, IMO.
post #47 of 55
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Originally Posted by BoilerJim View Post

I love my new RX-V473 Yamaha 5.1 receiver mated to 6 Polk Audio speakers including subwoofer. Thought about an Onkyo or Denon then my financial conservatism (i.e. cheapness) kicked in and I saw the light while saving a couple hundred bucks compared to the ones I was considering.
By the way, I use Mediabridge HDMI cables also. smile.gif

I'm cheap too especially when it comes to spending money on myself. Big ticket items are the toughest.

BB
post #48 of 55
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If I were more of an audiophile maybe an a/v receiver sooner would make more sense. Unfortunately I lost some hearing acuity standing right in front of the speakers without earplugs at a 2-3 hour long Patti Smith* concert at a smallish venue here in Buffalo.(She was great!) I'm still an idiot sometimes. I'm going to take EscapeVelocity's advice on that.

For 5.1 HTIB setups, do we like Yamaha or Energy for ~$50 more?

*the punk rocker from the '70s not the more recent pop singer Patty Smyth or whatever.
post #49 of 55
To be honest, if your hearing is not what it used to be then you may be fine with whatever speakers come with the HTiB systems, be it Yamaha, Onkyo, or Denon. Speakers can always be upgraded later especially if you don't buy an HTiB that has "special" speaker connections (of which the three mentioned usually don't). Just look for 5-way binding posts and you're good to go. It would save you a little money initially, and once you get it all setup and figured out, upgrading the speakers, should you choose to do so, is a piece of cake. And yes, I too have been to a Patti Smith concert and it was really good, and loud smile.gif
post #50 of 55
Yeah, a decent HTIB is probably all you need. Especially if you arent into picking out your own speakers and are just going on advice from others in that regard. Try to make sure that they have separate tweeters though. It makes a big difference over a full range single cone job.
post #51 of 55
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EV: what do you mean by separate tweeters? If buying online, where would I find this in the specs? Also why do you think a good A/V receiver is not a priority?

Otto: Five-way binding posts: what are they? where would I find this specification when viewing an item online?

Will I get better deals now if I wait until after Christmas?
post #52 of 55
5 way binding posts are referencing standard 2 speaker wire hookups (but for 5 different speakers), I believe. Some cheaper sets use non standard hookups/wiring.

Youll have to do your best researching any HTIB purchase. Im sure there are references to the drivers number and size in reviews and chat about them. Many cheaper sets use one small full range speaker for each unit....like a 3" Full Range driver.
post #53 of 55
5-way binding posts can take just about any speaker connection be they bare wire, banana plug, etc. My receiver has the binding posts but the speakers that came with it use wire clip-ins. You just don't want to get a receiver or speakers that have a proprietary connector because you won't be able to swap out your speakers without making any modifications (i.e. cutting the wires for bare wire use or adding your own connectors). Some of those Bose systems you see at Costco for example have proprietary connectors that are made just for that particular system. As far as separate tweeters, the basic speaker specs should say something like "2" driver with a 1" tweeter", etc. If it just says 3" Full Range driver like EV said, then that's something you don't really want. Deals on HTiB systems aren't quite like tv's. The best time to purchase a tv is either now (the two weeks before Christmas) or around late January/February when the new year's models are being leaked and the previous year's models need to cleared from inventory. Black Friday deals aren't what they used to be so I wouldn't even waste my time with that. HTiB systems do go on sale now but if you find what you want, and can wait, they may get cheaper after the holidays.
post #54 of 55
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The way I make decisions is I kind of veer back and forth. Or go around and around. Something like that. It's a pretty gradual (long drawn out) process.

I thank each and every one of you for the help you've given me, and wish you all a happy holiday, whatever you celebrate.

Now I am veering again and I'd like some opinions. I'm veering toward plasma again. Yes, I have floor to ceiling doors to my balcony that let in a lot of light and yes they are directly in front of where the TV screen will be about 18-20' distant; also some to the right of the ones I've just described (L-shaped balcony). The doors do have floor to ceiling vertical blinds but I couldn't say how much light they let in when closed.

However there are two other factors at play: I can angle the TV somewhat away from these glass doors, and I rarely would watch the TV in the daylight.

The other factor is deciding between the banding flaw on LED's and the IR flaw on plasmas (with a chance of burn in though slight).

So those are the parameters. I know plasmas too tend to be less expensive than equivalent LED's (insofar as you can equate plasmas and LED's). Maybe I should mention I watch very little sports and more movies than TV.

So all in all if you were me, which way would you go?
post #55 of 55
I live in the deep South and for that reason alone would never put a Plasma in my house. It;s a giant heat radiator.

So I never had to make that decision with any seriousness. I can appreciate Plasma's strengths on the PQ front, but ultimately it's the FUll White field luminosity limitation that I really find offensive, sort of a aversion to the most objectionable thing and accepting the less objectionable (IMO) flaws/limitations in comparison to Plasma of LCD. Hope that makes sense. That being said, this issue has improved greatly over the last couple of years, though I think at the expense of greater heat output.
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