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popalock,

He is referring to his own build (dual front facing cabs)rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by bodhisafa View Post

popalock,
He is referring to his own build (dual front facing cabs)rolleyes.gif

Oh, thanks luke...

Wait a second? You aren't luke.

luke's build was one of my primary sources of inspiration for my LMS-U build. I'm very familiar with his subs, the cabinet that house them and the various videos he's made showing his walls flexing...

However, I wasn't aware that he had people speaking on his behalf?

Thank you for your input and the "rolleyes.gif".
post #34 of 39
Thread Starter 
Just wanted to add that I swapped out my Crown XLS 2500 for a Crown xti 4002 after getting some bizarre clipping from the 2500. Not really terribly surprised, either- I was asking a lot out of what it is.

The 4002 is outstanding: sending ~2,000 w's to either cab @ 2ohms and having zero problems with even the toughest of material.

James
post #35 of 39
The only problem with the XTI's is that they overheat when pushed hard. Other than that they actually do a good job at remaining absolutely silient for several hundred watts of output.
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Thread Starter 
^ Oh, I haven't run into that, thankfully. But then again, I stop at the 125-130db range, lol.

I have pushed them hard enough, long enough, though to the point where the fans REALLY kick in. Completely inaudible of course during that kind of output, but you can clearly hear them if you reduce the volume considerably.

I'm very happy with the 4002, thus far.

James
post #37 of 39
Looks great...I'm thinking about doing a very similar build, but I'm going to wait until the Dayton Audio Ultimax 15" driver debuts in a month or two before I decide. They would have to be awfully good to change my mind from Quad 18s though!
Edited by Linkwitz Riley - 1/30/13 at 10:58am
post #38 of 39
James, now that you've lived with these new drivers/subs for a while, what's your long term impression of the HOs? Have you been able to notice any difference in sound due to the drivers breaking in? Have you tried to do any additional equalization (LT, Crown's DSP, Behringer unit)? Everyone says these drivers have ridiculously good midbass but some have said that ULF could be better. I know you said you were pretty pleased with your initial results...just wondered if you had tried tweaking anything. I think I've decided to go with this driver as well..just have to wait until PE gets some more back in stock. Any tips for those of us still contemplating a build with these? (enclosure volume chosen, encl. materials, bracing, power requirement, eq, etc.)? I value your feedback...thanks!
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Thread Starter 
thanks for the compliment linkwitz. As for the drivers sounding any different since the build...not really. What has affected the sound more than anything has been re-orientating them towards the center to accommodate my new 84" screen...



Sooner than later I'm going to grab a mini dsp usb mic and find out what I'm getting, but on the whole I'm still enjoying terrific output and response- even in their current, less-than-ideal configuration. Personally, I'm very cautious about subjective opinions on how subwoofers sound, to be honest- but I also realize it's all we have sometimes. With graphs out there showing significant in-room output well below 15hz with multiples of these, I really doubt there's a lot of merit for those claiming these do not offer terrific low bass...again, especially with multiples. Getting into the single digit 130db hz club is something many of us simply do not desire nor chase for many reasons, with my personal leaning being that it represents such a miniscule amount of available content that seems to erode a ton of value when weighed against the cost, time, and space requirements. YMMV.

As far as those considering a build, with diysoundgroup now offering great 18" cabs you merely assemble and finish them to your liking there's now a fantastic, stackable option for those who do not wish to go all the way with a bona-fide, ground-up DIY dual-build. If you do decide to go for a complete build, I'm quite happy with about 3.5 ^3's per cab...I know others have gone up to 4', sealed with some builds with great success.

Build-wise, I have found that a cab constructed of furniture graded plywood or baltic birch with a double front baffle, front to back bracing between the drivers, and a single 3" cross brace behind either driver creates a fantastically rigid, resonant-free cabinet. I realize others spend more time, money, and materials on bracing but I have yet to find that there's any real sonic benefits to it. To each, their own, though.

As far as amplification goes, I'm still very pleased with my Crown xti 4002- I find its 1600 watts per cab more than ample for my requirements...most could probably get by with even less/more economically for their space/listening habits.

Good luck with your build, I'm certain you will satisifed with the results.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 3/20/13 at 9:08am
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