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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Okay, I know this sounds weird. But, I know nothing at the moment on projectors, except that I'm getting one for Christmas.

Will white paint work for a screen? We have a room with a dedicated wall for either a screen or white paint. Most screens are white, so that's why I'm assuming it will work. There might be some very good reasons why it won't work. But, I don't know them.

Can anyone give me some feedback please?

Thank You
post #2 of 21
White paint will work fine IF the wall is in a very good, smooth condition with no flaws.
post #3 of 21
White paint will work as long as it is flat paint, but it probably won't be the best choice. You don't mention if the room will be light controlled or there might be ambient light issues. That along with the projector specs, distance from the screen the projector will be mounted and size of the screen will be the most important factors for determining the right choice for paint.
post #4 of 21
Please post more about what PJ your considering.

Basically relate everything you can on the subjects ahajr143 mentioned above.

White can get the basic job done...and do a good job if the PJ has stupendous contrast specs (200,000:1 +) but anything below that, combined with ANY degree of light being present, and the image quality deteriorates rapidly.
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
The wall is super smooth, and my wife is a professional textile designer/painter and you don't see a stroke when she paints. That's why I thought the paint would be a good idea.

The room has a regular window and a tiny one, which I plan on putting up curtains (though the shades are wood and keep out most light. I also might attach black plastic bags to keep all light out. I only watch movies in the pitch dark. Black plastic bags work great especially when making a movie trying to make it seem like it's dark in the middle of the day. They just ain't pretty.

The projector is the Epson 5010.

Now here's the part I've had conflicts with. The room is basically 11 x 12. I planned on putting the projector 10' back and getting about a 103" diagonal screen, which is good enough for me. But, some people at another site are saying it won't work.

I do in the long run have a large living room 20 - 25' x 15' - 20' (I haven't measured it lately. But, it's large) But, it's an old tudor and my wife won't let me keep it in there. So, I'd have to break it down after each showing, and in that room I'd definitely need a screen, there's no extra wall. The small room will be set up especially as the theatre room.

Thanks!
post #6 of 21
SW Extra White. It's pretty darn good for a white screen.

Don't get overly complicated with paints. Just paint it, project onto it, and enjoy.

That Epson should have pretty good black, dont worry too much about enhancing the blacks.



Read about the SW Extra White here:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/paint_perfect_screen_$100.htm
post #7 of 21
vanlutz,

What they were trying to say is that at 10' throw, you would be exactly at the least amount of throw required for 103', and it is never wise to have no leeway whatsoever. Can you not add another 6" -8' to the throw?

Do yourself the favor of at least using a good White base tinted to a light neutral gray. Certainly the 5010's output is up to the task of providing a great image on even a darker gray screen, but even a light gray screen, flat in sheen, will resist the room's reflection coming from the screen's light output to far more a degree than a pure white colored screen surface would.

Even a pitch black room will light up when a projector is turned on if the surrounding walls / ceiling are light colored surfaces.
post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 
Smokarz THANKS for that link. if everything goes well with the test projection I'll be getting that paint.

MississippiMan - No one explained that about the glow from the projector. Thanks. That makes sense.

I do have a few extra inches to put the camera back. But, I want to check out the manual - just see how it works. If the screen turns out to be 6' instead of 7' or 90" instead of 103" diagonal, I'll still be happy. As long as I can get it to fill as much of the wall as possible, and be able to see it properly, I'll be happy. This is strictly for watching movies. No TV, no gaming, just good old fashioned movies. Especially the Disney 3D. That's the big test. If the quality is awful it goes back. We're going to start with Alice in Wonderland. It's the only 3D I have at the moment. I have a bunch coming for Christmas.
post #9 of 21
As MM posted, you can have those windows covered with blackout material and your room pitch black with the lights off, once you fire up the projector the room will light up. The advertised CR number is measured under a laboratory setting and it is basically how well the projector can do in stopping light in an area to be projected as black and pumping out a bright white in the adjacent checkerboard comparing the two outputs with disregard to how reflective your room will be. The reflected projected light back to the screen will dilute your CR.

A white screen in a small home media room will be a nice way to get started and suffice for the holidays. It is an excellent base coat for something different come the new year if you find your blacks could be blacker.

You won’t notice it much when watching a sporting event or a bright colorful movie. You will when watching a darker night image and looking for detail missing in the image. One of the best tests is to watch the credits at the end of a movie white text on a black background. That’s a closer test to what your true black level actually is. The blacks you see in the bright sporting type image is in part due to perception and how our eyes adjust.
Edited by bud16415 - 11/28/12 at 7:28am
post #10 of 21
You're going to have plenty of power with that 5010 on a screen that size. But like MM said, a neutral gray will be a HUGE improvement in your room over white. Glidden Snowfield is dead neutral and a very light gray, almost an off-white. Glidden Veil would even be better, but would be a definite gray instead of an off white.

If you're set on white, go for it. But try this afterword. Get a quart of Glidden Veil in a matte or flat finish. Paint some card stock or even a piece of paper. Let it dry, then put it up on the wall in the middle of your screen. Watch some scenes from a movie. Once you've done that and seen the difference in your room, you'll paint the screen gray.

Don't get me wrong, White screens are great! IF you have dark walls, ceiling, floor and furniture and no ambient light...
post #11 of 21
Thread Starter 
The white would be no problem. Because the walls are already an off brownish/yellow/orange (very neutral color). But, getting my wife to paint a wall any type of gray would be almost impossible. I'm going to crank up the 5010 tomorrow, It arrived yesterday. I'm going to give it a quick test run to see that I like any type of image I get from it. There are certain things that people accept nowadays that I just can't. Pixelating like early video games, Aura's around people are a few. If all goes well, she'll paint after Christmas. I'll let you know.

Thanks for all the help!
post #12 of 21
I've always like the deeper colors that gray screen provide. That Glidden Snowfield sounds like a great option.

If you can convince the wife to go 'slight gray', you should give that a try.

The thing that bothers me with gray is, I just can't stand white color not being white (but greyish).
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by vanlutz View Post

Because the walls are already an off brownish/yellow/orange (very neutral color).

Just so you know, when you talk neutral in relation to projectors, screens and theater rooms, it means something different than what a decorator means. Neutral means D65 neutral. Red, Green and blue all being equally reflected. Brown, yellow and orange are decidedly NOT neutral. Black, gray and white are neutral. In fact, you could say that black and gray are just shades of white. The problem you'll have is that those non-neutral colors are going to be reflecting light back at the screen. A gray screen will be far less affected by those reflections than a white screen will be.

Go ahead and go white, you'll love it! But, once your done, tack up a sample of gray like I suggested. It'll make it much easier to convince your wife when she sees just how much better it will be. And you'll be motivated to convince her when you see the difference for yourself.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

The thing that bothers me with gray is, I just can't stand white color not being white (but greyish).
But gray IS white... smile.gif It all depends how many lumens you're hitting the screen with. If you don't have enough, yeah a gray screen will seem dim. If you have enough, you will see white--even with a gray screen. In fact, depending on the room, a gray screen will produce better whites than a white screen. Why? Because it's going to reflect less ambient like back at the viewer. The OP is hitting a small screen with plenty of power; a gray screen will produce brilliant whites.
post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 
I took the projector out, hooked up my DVD player (which I thought played 3D but doesn't). Then I had to decide what DVD to try first. I popped in AMELIE. I knew I wasn't going to watch the whole thing, and I know the colors are vibrant throughout.

WOW is all I can say. It looked absolutely amazing. I just did a few quick adjustments and I had it looking wonderful. We're not even going to paint the wall. It just looks great. When I pulled out the Amelie DVD I realized it's a normal DVD. So, I popped in a Blue Ray and the trailers looked even better than Amelie which looked amazing.

The only drawback (and it's just in my mind) The screen unfortunately in the room is only 6' 8' long, and 3' 2" high. But because of the size of the room it looks much larger. I really wanted the 7' 5" wide screen. Eventually I'm going to build my own screen and set it up for special occasions in the living room.

I finally never have to go to the movie theatre again.

Thanks again for all the help.
post #16 of 21
Enjoy while you can.

I am sure we'll see you back here again soon.

The upgrade bug bites everyone, sooner or later.

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post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Kirnak View Post

But gray IS white... smile.gif It all depends how many lumens you're hitting the screen with. If you don't have enough, yeah a gray screen will seem dim. If you have enough, you will see white--even with a gray screen. In fact, depending on the room, a gray screen will produce better whites than a white screen. Why? Because it's going to reflect less ambient like back at the viewer. The OP is hitting a small screen with plenty of power; a gray screen will produce brilliant whites.

Couldn’t have said it better.

For those out there reading there is a link in my signature where I project nice bright whites off a coal black screen. Takes a lot of lumens but almost eats all ambient light.

Getting your mind around the idea that grey can produce white is a concept that most fight understanding. Also that black is the projector projecting nothing.

The even harder concept is how the eye adapts to light level and the perceived contrast / black level changes.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by vanlutz View Post

I took the projector out, hooked up my DVD player (which I thought played 3D but doesn't). Then I had to decide what DVD to try first. I popped in AMELIE. I knew I wasn't going to watch the whole thing, and I know the colors are vibrant throughout.
WOW is all I can say. It looked absolutely amazing. I just did a few quick adjustments and I had it looking wonderful. We're not even going to paint the wall. It just looks great. When I pulled out the Amelie DVD I realized it's a normal DVD. So, I popped in a Blue Ray and the trailers looked even better than Amelie which looked amazing.
The only drawback (and it's just in my mind) The screen unfortunately in the room is only 6' 8' long, and 3' 2" high. But because of the size of the room it looks much larger. I really wanted the 7' 5" wide screen. Eventually I'm going to build my own screen and set it up for special occasions in the living room.
I finally never have to go to the movie theatre again.
Thanks again for all the help.

Many have had amazing reactions with trying a projector on an earth tone painted wall. The colors are being altered by the paint but then again you are seeing some of the advantages of a gray screen with ambient light. Earth tones alter color in some ways that doesn’t seem strange to the eye like a red or blue wall would do. We tend to judge color by skin tones and nature tones. And say a red car in a movie tinted a little with the effect of the earth tone wall doesn’t look to strange just not the red that the car really is.

My first screen was a white bed sheet and after a week I said I can’t dream of a better screen and when I told people I was changing to a DIY screen painted gray they said I was crazy.

Everyone has different needs and if the wall color is good for you and the stealth mode of just using a wall then it’s the way to go.
post #19 of 21
Thread Starter 
I'm actually extraordinarily picky about a lot when it comes to movies. But as long as the people in the movie are human colored (if their suppose to be) the image is crisp and clear, and I don't see those black aura lines around the actors, then I'm pretty much satisfied.

I'm setting up the sound and chairs today, and hopefully watching our first movie tonight or tomorrow. The problem is what movie I should debut.

One last question.

When the trailers were on the projector utilized the full 4' x 7' screen. When the movie started it letterboxed the image making it 7' x 3' 2". Is that normal? Is there a mode I should go into that will utilize the full screen without stretching the image? According to the manual the projector will automatically know what size the image is and adjust accordingly.

Thanks.
post #20 of 21
I don’t know the details of your projector but have often seen the trailers jumping between formats such as you describe. I have also seen when playing out takes or special cuts off another menu in the select screen they are a different format. Don’t know why they do that.
The main movie played ok though?

I’m a bit odd I still live in 4:3 world so I am accustom to black bars. I guess I’m the last CIW guy. I use the projector for much more than movies though many times photo slide shows and internet and computer content.

I know just where you are coming from liking the image you are seeing. I have been a big fan of what I call stealth screens even with hidden sound and projector. I helped with one in a friend’s house where he used to like and say want to watch a movie and people would go sure where is the tv and from one keypad the lights would dim the image would almost float in space and the thundering sound system come to life. After the movie people would be going up and touching the wall and looking for where things were. His accent wall was a nice gray though. But you are right why mess with happiness for maybe another 10% when you are already at 190%.
post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 
Since I needed to buy a 3D DVD Player, I bought a whole new sound system with it. The Sony 790W. The guy cranked it up in the store and it sounded great.

I hooked it all up and decided to try out a song from the DVD I received today The Last Waltz. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE by The Band full blast, my jaw was on the floor. I saw this movie in the theatres and even at a Drive In. It was BEAUTIFUL!
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