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Poll Results: Would you be interested in an Oppo preamp/processor?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 84% (81)
    1 Yes I would definitely be interested
  • 8% (8)
    2 No, I'd only trust them with making BR players
  • 0% (0)
    3 I'm done with processors, amps, seperates - I'm selling everything and getting a boombox.
  • 4% (4)
    4 No, I have another manufacturer in mind for my next preamp/processor
  • 6% (6)
    5 I'll keep my AVP until they pry it from my cold dead fingers
96 Total Votes  
post #31 of 56
That's a pretty sick phone.
I don't see why they would be dumb to make a pre/pro though. More product to market. Probably the first thing i noticed when looking into home theater was the oppo bluray players. EVERYONE knows about them. If they made a pre/pro, it would be to far off the bluray players they have now really.
I mean they would have competition but if they did the job right and made it look good like the players then people would definitely buy it.
post #32 of 56
I think anybody who would decide to enter the AVR/AV-PrePro market right now would have to be a complete idiot.

I would guess in the next 4 years, at least half of the current crop will simply never update their AVR/Pre-Pro's and let them die out (and try to stay alive with VERY slow moving but rarely updated 2-channel gear) or the whole company will be gone altogether. You'll hear stories of companies that have no development. Just an office with a empty receptionist desk, a small sales staff, and a handful of old-timers who try to deal with issues and such. Just trying to keep the doors open and make it to the "other side" of a bad time.

We are talking serious shrinkage in the whole audio electronics industry, but especially within the AV area. Average AVR is something like $379. That's AVERAGE. And people will want even BETTER deals. The last three years have been tough for many, but the next 4 will be REALLY brutal.

I will predict a BIG (well, big for what's left) move back to US production. A dying dollar and higher Overseas wages/labor laws/labor unrest/etc. means it will actually be CHEAPER, possibly SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper to build here. Even expect firms like the Japanese and Europeans to start/move production facilities here, for at least their North American sales production. Don't be surprised if those gigantic Chinese 3rd party production companies start facilities here because it's cheaper.
Edited by dean-l - 12/17/12 at 9:25am
post #33 of 56
Then we can elect a new congressman who owns a dog styling business and has a wife that cheats on him with the competition
post #34 of 56
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Originally Posted by dean-l View Post

I think anybody who would decide to enter the AVR/AV-PrePro market right now would have to be a complete idiot.

I would guess in the next 4 years, at least half of the current crop will simply never update their AVR/Pre-Pro's and let them die out (and try to stay alive with VERY slow moving but rarely updated 2-channel gear) or the whole company will be gone altogether. You'll hear stories of companies that have no development. Just an office with a empty receptionist desk, a small sales staff, and a handful of old-timers who try to deal with issues and such. Just trying to keep the doors open and make it to the "other side" of a bad time.

The counterpoint is that moving to switchmode power supplies and output stages enables building AVRs that are either dirt cheap or have humongous power ratings associated with them, or both. I've noticed that power ratings hunger is pretty big in the audiophile community, rationality not so much.

Of course this is OT strictly speaking since we were talking AVRs that lack power output stages...
post #35 of 56
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

If it had Balanced outputs and a couple more HDMI inputs, I may have given it a try.

What benefit do you think you get from balanced outputs besides cool factor?

Balanced is to keep noise down with cable runs that can be hundreds of feet.

Even ADA says the balanced outputs on their very expensive pre/pro's offer no sound quality benefit, just 3 dB higher sensitivity.
post #36 of 56
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

What benefit do you think you get from balanced outputs besides cool factor?

Balanced is to keep noise down with cable runs that can be hundreds of feet.

Even ADA says the balanced outputs on their very expensive pre/pro's offer no sound quality benefit, just 3 dB higher sensitivity.

Some of us live in apartments with crappy wiring. Balanced helps out with a number of issues and the runs don't have to be hundreds of feet to benefit.
post #37 of 56
Just read this thread.
I have a question to ask.
We all admire the sound reprodction of the Oppo Players and in particular the 105 but the main rason to buy the player is the video quality.
So what range of AVRs equal or surpass the oppo in sound production? i.e. one would buy the 103 for the video and put the savings on not buying the 105 into an very very good receiver?
Any suggestions?

I would best explain why I am considering this way.
The modern reveiver has a wealth of inputs and outputs etc. which the Oppo's do not yet have (2x HDMI inputs only) so it is still much easier to use a "receiver" as the centerpiece of a HT setup IMHO.
post #38 of 56
Thread Starter 
So, any decent chance we'll see an Oppo prepro prototype at the next CES?
post #39 of 56
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

So, any decent chance we'll see an Oppo prepro prototype at the next CES?

I doubt Oppo will venture in to the processor business. I would like it if they did but I think as a company Oppo is smart to stick with what they excell at.

Bill
post #40 of 56
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I agree with the above. In the poll I voted that "Yes I would definitely be interested" in a prepro from Oppo if one was available. But in reality I firmly believe Oppo will stay with just building Bluray/universal players. To see how difficult it is to build a modern full featured prepro look at the recent issues Outlaw, Emotiva and Parasound have had trying to produce prepros.

Bill

Keep in mind they are right at the pre/pro door already and knocking on it pretty hard in fact, while I'm only interested in the idea, as I feel My Marantz 8801 is the cats meow biggrin.gif and tend to keep gear for ages, I'd like to see if they can pull it off as they have a great team in place and go about using smarts and common sense very well wink.gif
post #41 of 56
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Keep in mind they are right at the pre/pro door already and knocking on it pretty hard in fact, while I'm only interested in the idea, as I feel My Marantz 8801 is the cats meow biggrin.gif and tend to keep gear for ages, I'd like to see if they can pull it off as they have a great team in place and go about using smarts and common sense very well wink.gif

In what way are they "at the pre/pro door already and knocking on it pretty hard"?

Bill
post #42 of 56
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

In what way are they "at the pre/pro door already and knocking on it pretty hard"?

Bill

Really? Duh!! the 105 biggrin.gif
post #43 of 56
As another long-time AVP owner and recent Oppo 103 owner, here's my take:

The pre-pro as we know it will die, or least, there will be very, very few manufacturers that do a decent one. It's not easy folding the ton of stuff that goes into one box and tries to be all things to all people.

For me, we'll see an evolution into either of two paths, one will be old-school, with analog sections and conversion for A/D and D/A for various things. The other will be what I term the true 'modern' pre-amp, where it is comprised of digital-only paths, it's main role is switching (including matrix functions) and various forms of video and audio post-processing (scaling and RC) and all the fancy audio codecs, including the new 3D audio systems like Dolby Atmos. In it's most basic form, will not even have a DAC section, instead has a set of AES-EBU outs or a multichannel digital feed like MADI. These then feed active speakers all over the room (Atmos can require 16 channels or so) or can drive digital amps like the NAD M2 (which is really a Power DAC).

So my ideal Pre has zero analog in it. None.

I don't expect to see that for at least 4 to 5 more years, so I'll hang on to the AVP. It's built like a tank, sounds amazing and will continue to be the core of the system until I can go 100% digital.

Now regarding Oppo, I sure hope they stay focused on continuing their line of amazing BR players. They are the most fully featured 'source device' out there, and it takes focus to ensure they keep their lead. I hope they do *not* branch out into pre's, as that would diffuse their efforts.
post #44 of 56
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Keep in mind they are right at the pre/pro door already and knocking on it pretty hard in fact, while I'm only interested in the idea, as I feel My Marantz 8801 is the cats meow biggrin.gif and tend to keep gear for ages, I'd like to see if they can pull it off as they have a great team in place and go about using smarts and common sense very well wink.gif

In what way are they "at the pre/pro door already and knocking on it pretty hard"?

Bill

Don't their current units already decode everything and offer digital source switching (USB, HDMI)? (I'm sure there's some special video stuff they do too.) So basically what's missing compared to an AVR? One key thing (room correction - though note that Oppo's phone division already has a relationship with Dirac...) and a few minor things (AM/FM tuner, analog inputs).

Add room correction, a couple more HDMI inputs, and maybe an optical input or two, and such a box could function as a premiere-quality "just add amps" box for many.
post #45 of 56
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

As another long-time AVP owner and recent Oppo 103 owner, here's my take:

The pre-pro as we know it will die, or least, there will be very, very few manufacturers that do a decent one. It's not easy folding the ton of stuff that goes into one box and tries to be all things to all people.

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Isnt that already the case? There are very few dedicated pre-pros available, let alone affordable ones that the average joe can purchase readidly - say around $1500 or so - and again not readily avaialbe at what is left of the consumer electronic stores (BB, Frys etc)....yeah there are uber high end stuff, that when common sense is applied are generally not worth paying for (lexicon, krell etc..), not that they are bad, but the cost of "playing" is quite steep.

Plenty of affordable avr's w/ preouts though that could act like a pre-pro, this is where the consumers have gravited toward. accessibility, features and price all well within the grasp of your every man. Marantz and Onkyo may still make pre's today, but i am skeptical they will be in 3-5 years from now. Virtually every other run of the mill consumer gear manufacturer has stopped making dedicated pre-pro's. They just aren't worth it.
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

For me, we'll see an evolution into either of two paths, one will be old-school, with analog sections and conversion for A/D and D/A for various things. .

Not gonna happen. See here for why...or google for more info.

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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

The other will be what I term the true 'modern' pre-amp, where it is comprised of digital-only paths, it's main role is switching (including matrix functions) and various forms of video and audio post-processing (scaling and RC) and all the fancy audio codecs, including the new 3D audio systems like Dolby Atmos. In it's most basic form, will not even have a DAC section, instead has a set of AES-EBU outs or a multichannel digital feed like MADI. These then feed active speakers all over the room (Atmos can require 16 channels or so) or can drive digital amps like the NAD M2 (which is really a Power DAC).

Not sure how you can have a pre-amp w/ no dac? but what do I know?tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

So my ideal Pre has zero analog in it. None.

now your talking...with analog outs on source devices (blu-ray players for example) going away this is all you need.cool.gif

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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

I don't expect to see that for at least 4 to 5 more years, so I'll hang on to the AVP. It's built like a tank, sounds amazing and will continue to be the core of the system until I can go 100% digital.

Less then that. Analog inputs are getting very scarce on newer avr's, every year each new model has less. They are almost non existant on new TV's and blu-ray players will no longer have them by the end of this year.
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

Now regarding Oppo, I sure hope they stay focused on continuing their line of amazing BR players. They are the most fully featured 'source device' out there, and it takes focus to ensure they keep their lead. I hope they do *not* branch out into pre's, as that would diffuse their efforts.

ehh...doubt they will make a processor, the market just isnt there. enthusiasts would love to see it done, but from a business stand point there is no substantial market....could they make money in the long run doing so...maybe, but not worth it. now if they partnered with some like say emotiva or outlaw and worked together on a unit, that would ease some of the r&d costs and maybe make it worthwhile....but i seriously doubt this will happen.
post #46 of 56
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Originally Posted by 67jason View Post

Not sure how you can have a pre-amp w/ no dac? but what do I know?tongue.gif
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The interface he talks about would allow him (since i know he is a all digital kinda guy) to send the signal digitally to the speakers who would convert it and amplify it. I would agree that my next pre/pro/switcher would be either modular or fully digital if possible i think the time has come for this to start making more sense than having 1 box that gathers all analog signals and send them out again a controller let loose over a network makes more sense.



Daniel (also a avp owner)
post #47 of 56
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

The interface he talks about would allow him (since i know he is a all digital kinda guy) to send the signal digitally to the speakers who would convert it and amplify it. I would agree that my next pre/pro/switcher would be either modular or fully digital if possible i think the time has come for this to start making more sense than having 1 box that gathers all analog signals and send them out again a controller let loose over a network makes more sense.



Daniel (also a avp owner)

There does make sense and Meridian has been doing it for years.
However, the Voelks at Revel stated that the dealers feel the market is not receptive to this approach.

- Rich
post #48 of 56
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

There does make sense and Meridian has been doing it for years.
However, the Voelks at Revel stated that the dealers feel the market is not receptive to this approach.

- Rich

Well we had several industries that where not receptive to the internet protocols either but somehow took over their industries anyway smile.gif. It might take time and as Jonathan points out we will probably see a split of people who will go with the old ways but the way forward is clear for massmarket. It might take longer than we want but the core question is how many brands in the meantime are willing to go fullspeed on pre/pro's instead of them in dual roles of avr's.

Daniel.
post #49 of 56
I wish that mfg's would include a card with checklists on what they would like to see in their products.
post #50 of 56
You guys do realize there are more pre/pro's on the market now then in some time for all budgets! and for the time being its a buyers market with manufacturers keeping their ears to forums to catch the pulse of their respective target buyers.

Its thanks to companies like Oppo for this model and for the foreseeable future pay attention to what gets released and at reasonable prices. wink.gif
post #51 of 56
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

You guys do realize there are more pre/pro's on the market now then in some time for all budgets! and for the time being its a buyers market with manufacturers keeping their ears to forums to catch the pulse of their respective target buyers.

Its thanks to companies like Oppo for this model and for the foreseeable future pay attention to what gets released and at reasonable prices. wink.gif

D&M and others can make them for a smaller market by piggyback riding them on one of their AVR models (like with the 8801) the biggest part is then already done getting the digital parts stable and being able to order parts in volume. It will be harder (not impossible as they have shown with players) for oppo todo that.

Daniel.
post #52 of 56
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Really? Duh!! the 105 biggrin.gif

Very true and I realize that, duh wink.gif!!! But the 105 is missing room correction and analog inputs which are features I want in a prepro. It would need more HDMI inputs with the ability to have pass through. I haven't used the HDMI inputs for any length of time on my 103 but is there a pass through? Also many want 9/11.1 capability which the 105 certainly doesn't have. So yes one could use the 105 as a prepro but it would be limited to digtal only inputs and no room correction.

Bill
post #53 of 56
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Very true and I realize that, duh wink.gif!!! But the 105 is missing room correction and analog inputs which are features I want in a prepro. It would need more HDMI inputs with the ability to have pass through. I haven't used the HDMI inputs for any length of time on my 103 but is there a pass through? Also many want 9/11.1 capability which the 105 certainly doesn't have. So yes one could use the 105 as a prepro but it would be limited to digtal only inputs and no room correction.

Bill

No question., as a pre-pro, the BCP-105 is limited, but it was not designed or marketed as a one.
Yet, I have a friend who is a 2 channel guy that mailed one up with 2 Outlaw m2200 monoblocks and it sounds and works great for his TV as well.

We see amp manufacturers struggling with their processor products.
Many times video processing is discard as well as the Netflix and other media features.
Oppo knows how to do that stuff so I think their core competences are better aligned.

Their customer support is also excellent, they know how to do firmware updates and produce audiophile quality products.

It is not trivial, but I think it is doable.

Lets not forget their crack beta testing team tongue.gif

- Rich
Edited by RichB - 7/14/13 at 7:45am
post #54 of 56
Thread Starter 
HDMI 2.0 officially announced: 18Gbps bandwidth, 60fps 4K, 32 channel audio

While I love my Denon AVP and would buy a new AVP2 if they released one, this will be what pushes me to purchase my next prepro as well as my next TV.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/04/hdmi-2-0-official-4k-60fps-32-channel-audio/

Ideally I'd buy an HDMI 2.0 replacement module for my AVP and I wouldn't feel a need to replace the whole thing.
post #55 of 56
Could they pull off what Emotiva and Outlaw have failed to do? Stable HDMI switching as they seem to understand at east the source side in a box that fits on the shelf and costs less than a car.
In my attempts to upgrade: oppo 103 which I love, returned an Emo 200 and Out 975, soon a Marantz AV7005. Going back to an old non HDMI pre and my old oppo HDMI switch.
post #56 of 56
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tvrgeek View Post

Could they pull off what Emotiva and Outlaw have failed to do? Stable HDMI switching as they seem to understand at east the source side in a box that fits on the shelf and costs less than a car.
In my attempts to upgrade: oppo 103 which I love, returned an Emo 200 and Out 975, soon a Marantz AV7005. Going back to an old non HDMI pre and my old oppo HDMI switch.

I'd sure like to think they could do a great job if the decide to go into this line.
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