New Vector SSD looks very interesting. Is this the BEST NEW SSD for 2013 ? - Page 6

The thread starts great. It's title in the lobby is :



Looks like a pretty normal thread. Seems like someone is always asking that. Only extreme part might be he wants a 512GB which is rather large. Infact- I think 256GB is large for most. But he probably wants the extra speed and capacity so no big deal I think.

Enter the thread and you see it's a simple one line comment.:



I almost automatically assumed it was a joke.

It seems more like a joke than reality. Then the kid posts up a picture of his 6 SSD's he bought.

He's my hero.

I'm pretty sure he's serious as heart attack.

I'd expect benchmarks by end of the week.

Tell me about it.


That's about $2000 SSD with 3TB capacity and 3000MB/sec read speed!








True to his word he did post up some first attempt benchmarks- which he appears to be satisfied with and not going to tweak.

128 GB review is up


Read more at http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5110/ocz_vector_128gb_ssd_review/index15.html#Txu6ZlPycYeiToFd.99

Right.

If you read the article they explain that they have not tested it yet and want to grab a couple recent new high end drives like that to compare. They have a shoot out scheduled in next couple weeks and are waiting on those drives.

Vector and Samsung 840PRO basically exchange blows head to head... in almost every scenario and both are regarded as the top drives out.

I agree.

I think the only real value of that article was showing how much the newer current SSD drives have improved over 12 month old models.

I can't say I place any more value in that article other than that. For determining the KING we would need a better review.

I only posted it because many are looking for 128GB drives and drives under $150- while many reviews are for $200+ drives and 256GB or larger sizes.

IN RELATION TO HTPC's:
I am thinking a normal Samsung 840 or a VERTEX4 128GB @ $80 is probably the best choice for HTPC right now. The little brothers of the 840PRO and VECTOR offer near 90% performance for 50% the cost- feature the better controllers- and generally outpace the older sandforce and marvel drives so many have recommended around here for a long time.

I should you could run max enabled without trouble...

Those gamer boys don't mess around.

Right.

If you read the article they explain that they have not tested it yet and want to grab a couple recent new high end drives like that to compare. They have a shoot out scheduled in next couple weeks and are waiting on those drives.

Vector and Samsung 840PRO basically exchange blows head to head... in almost every scenario and both are regarded as the top drives out.

I agree.

I think the only real value of that article was showing how much the newer current SSD drives have improved over 12 month old models.

I can't say I place any more value in that article other than that. For determining the KING we would need a better review.

I only posted it because many are looking for 128GB drives and drives under $150- while many reviews are for $200+ drives and 256GB or larger sizes.

IN RELATION TO HTPC's:
I am thinking a normal Samsung 840 or a VERTEX4 128GB @ $80 is probably the best choice for HTPC right now. The little brothers of the 840PRO and VECTOR offer near 90% performance for 50% the cost- feature the better controllers- and generally outpace the older sandforce and marvel drives so many have recommended around here for a long time.




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Or .....






you could RAID0 two $49 VERTEX3 and have a very fast 240GB SSD for $99

Here is quick benchmark while downloading and also running mediamaster on my second monitor right now and without optimization on my Z68 Intel board and integrated Intel RAID native in BIOS.



$99 it does not get any faster or more capacity than this.

Anyone know or have idea when new sandforce controller is due?


Sandforce gets beat up a lot for various issues but they do some things really well. If they clean up the negatives in a new version if be curious to see how it stands up.

I am assuming a new Sandforce controller is on the way... anyone have any details?

FYI:

New Review up at Neo pretty much sums up what others said:
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/ocz_vertor_256gb/8.html

I have been following closely the 840PRO and the Vector as I am in the market for a 256GB high end SSD for my desktop.

Anyone have an idea how the lower access time of the Vector over the 840PRO might make a difference real world ???

It doesn't show up in synthetic benchmarks accept ones that record access time- but I assume it would translate into a real world experience ??? yes ?

Sadly while reports have been positive the price trends have not:(

I'm in market for a high end 256gb fit my workstation.

840Pro and Vector and perhaps m5pro lead the list...

None are cheap

Right. I don't want the crappy NAND inside the normal 840.

Vector actually is most consistent in the benchmarks that translate directly to OS typical usage ... But the Samsung is optimized for specific things.

I'd be happy with either but not for $250+

I'm not in a super rush to upgrade my MAX IOPS Toogle NAND drive just yet.

I'd like a 840pro or a Vector under $199 or a $150 Vertex4 or M5 Pro... 256GB sized.

Those seem like best 4 choices.

That is true...^

But- Your not allowed to have a "high performance" HTPC. This is AVS...

Every single HTPC must be an i3 like CPU with a 400 watt Seasonic PSU... and a basic SSD.

If you use a high performance SSD, a CPU more than dual core, or a PSU that is not a 400 watt seasonic your doing HTPC wrong.

In all seriousness- This SSD is for my workstation. It's much more gaming and workstation duties than HTPC. It's not even hooked up to a TV.

I want the speed because I like it. I absolutely hammer my PC in a way that would bring most normal HTPC's to it's knees. I hate waiting and I appreciate the high performance enough to spend my cash on it.

I chuckle when many question you can not "feel" a difference. I always think : "really?... Because you spend many thousand dollars on a machine and ran that back to back with yours ???"

The entire argument is old and tired IMO.

I have built 20 PC's in last year. I own and operate daily various 1155 socket machines from a G620 up to an i7 on various levels and purposed builds.

While I am quick to admit in my personal HPTC the upgrade from a G630 to a 3570k was not huge (it's a pure HPTC only) I've found the total opposite to be true on my desktop. I tried using a G630 for a short time when I was swapping out my workstation case and it was way slower for what I do. The SSD, the half the DDR3 and the slower CPU were all readily noticable. I would not want to live daily with that machine as my workstation daily driver. It's not up to the task.

I just have a small issue with people who make statements about there is no difference with something they have not actually tested or tried themselves.

How you use your machine have great effect on the perception. As does your relative personal performance compass and how accurately it's calibrated.

For me- Using an overclocked i7, 16GB DDR3 and a fast SSD- with a $80 gaming mouse pad, $110 gaming mouse, $140 keyboard... on dual 27" monitors +23" ---> the amount of speed and control I have makes using other machines very noticeable. Most people can't even use my mouse it's so sensitive, yet I've been playing real time strategy games and using it for so long my accuracy is beyond pro. I don't want to move the mouse all the way across my mouse pad to move all the way across my 1920x1200 screen. That can be done with very little movement of the hand IMO.

I can tell the difference and downgrade with a 2500k machine in my office with relative drop in speed. (2500k machine is still an animal) The difference between a pentium or even i3 is noticable. As is a SSD.

the biggest thing I can stress about my experience is 3 things:

#1: The machine must be balanced to notice a difference. Example: High performance SSD should be matched to a quad core i5 or higher, and the rest of the system should match the level of performance. A PC only works or feels as fast as it's bottleneck part. If that part isn't the SSD then your not going to notice a difference so save your $$$

#2: Unless your going back to back from one machine to another a normal person is never going to notice the difference. Sure there is a difference between a fast SSD and a normal SSD, and also a difference with i7 versus say an i3. But if your not accustomed to the higher level of performance as your "normal" your never going to know the difference or notice it personally. Most times people upgrade their PC, not downgrade. So everything feels fast. If you had an older dual core and you bought a newer more powerful one of coarse the new machine will feel faster. Same if you never had SSD or had a slow one.. a new one will feel faster. You'll never realize that a higher performance model would be even faster since you never experienced it. Your normal or slow purchase won't feel normal or slow. For this reason- I think many people without a very high performance PC like to regurgitate "there is no real world difference" when talking about high end parts because honestly they are just plain ignorant to it all. It's a combo of wanting to believe that, reading that, and having never experienced or tested themselves.

#3. How you use the machine. If your using it to play movies then I'll stand up and agree that a high performance SSD or a high end 4 core CPU is major overkill. You won't appreciate the full potential of those parts so in many ways it's a waste of $$. But if you use your PC as a workstation, and do many tasts at once your going to notice a huge difference. Often times I run Mediamaster on one monitor, Have downloads running on another, and have a web browser running on a third. I open multiple folders and drag and drop. have 3 or more simultaneous copy paste functions running from one destination to another... and surf AVS in between organizing media, even gaming. I'll encode while gaming... lol. I like watching TV like an NFL game while doing something on the other monitor. I like browsing the web on a space monitor while staging for a 3v3 strategy game.. I just do some "normal" stuff that's much harder on a PC than most users. I don't mean to sound arrogant or brag or what not- but I honestly question if the average person brain thinks fast enough to even try to use a PC the way I do. It's probably my ADD and too much coffee but I try to do tons of things at once on my workstation- and I absolutely hate waiting for tasks to complete. I won't sit and wait for something to finish. I'll open up something else and begin another task while waiting... I just totally kill my PC. I'm in the minority for sure. I don't see the majority of people spending $80 on a mouse pad for that extra level of control and speed and accuracy. But if I do because I notice and appreciate the difference then who the hell can sit there and tell me I am wrong ??? As a Gamer- there is a huge difference in your mouse and pad. So- As a power user there is also a difference in your SSD. Like only a gamer would appreciate the difference in the gaming mouse, only a power user will appreciate the difference a high end SSD is going to make.

I hate to battle with you over and over but you need to open your mind to the idea that other people might use a PC differently than you and their level or patience or desired level of performance might be different.

I'd rather not want to wait .2 seconds if I could help it. I must be different than you.

If I have a large collection of movies and I open my front end- I want all the album art and covers to be populated. I want that instantly. As fast as possible. I don't want to wait a second or two... I do not even to wait a split second.

It's not acceptable to me.

It's obviously acceptable to you.

Personality differences.


There is no such thing as PC that is too fast.


Part of me wants to save these threads we battle on these issues and then revisit these in the future when the technology and the "normal" level of PC performance is increased. Imagine if we had this argument 5 years ago, and I gave you a modern SSD based PC today as compared to your 5 year old HDD based PC. You'd notice a difference right ? Well I am pretty sure (guessing) that will happen in the future. In 5 or 10 years our current PC's will feel and perform slow and be antiques. They will be below the normal level of acceptable performance.

At which point- I'd love to bring this thread to your attention and make you suffer with a 5 year old machine. You said it was enough right ? There is no real world difference right ? It's fast enough right ? Good enough right ?

That said,

I think it is important to at least note:

There is a point of diminishing returns that makes all "high end" parts a poor choice for general use. They cost more, and provide ever increasingly smaller performance gains creating a less favorable value proposition. I'm not at all advocating everyone should be using high end parts to build a PC or HTPC. I'm only suggesting you should open your horizon and be more accepting of such as a possibility.

There is nothing wrong with building a high performance HTPC with an i7, a high end video card, a PSU greater than 400 watts, and a 256GB+ high end SSD. Nothing wrong at all.

Perhaps they want to run Jinc /Madvr/re-clock/SVP level 5 etc... and they are matching it to a $50,000 Home Theater where it fits appropriately. I've seen some people spend hundreds of thousands on some really trick theaters on this site AVS. It's long been common place to see people spend ten thousand dollars on a projector or a set of speakers at this site.

For some reason spending a few hundred on nice PC hardware is wrong ??????

Listen to what everyone is telling you in this thread. Your arguing with yourself. No one is saying everyone should or must go high end, but you continue argue against we are. At least for me- I'm just defending the option and personal right to pursue that option. I have a rather modest $500 HTPC with integrated graphics. I use and enjoy it daily. It's more than enough. But I totally see and understand many reasons why someone might want a higher performance HTPC, including a larger faster SSD.

Why are you so against the option ?
Edited by Mfusick - 2/7/13 at 2:26pm

I was not talking about you but more in general so please hold your offense.

I'm telling you with absolute certainty I have personally tested it. There is a difference with the speed.

I have a G620/H61 with a 60GB Sata 2 Vertex2 in my office. I also have a 2500k on Asus Z68 with 120GB Sata3 right next to it. There is a difference. Even at just opening a program or doing simple things.
Not saying the lesser machine is not more than enough or acceptable... Just that there is a "real work difference"

I also have a 3570k at home, A G630, and a 2600k Overclocked. I have a Toggle Nand SSD MAX IOPS, A normal Sata 3 120GB, and a RAID0 SSD array (240GB)
I'm telling you beyond certainty there is a very real world difference in the speed when installing or opening a heavy program. The larger the amount of writes or reads the more the difference is noticeable.

I'm not sure it's a factor at all for watching a movie or a normal HTPC application- but to just dismiss the idea utterly and in it's entirety that there is or isn't a difference with high end parts like a high end SSD is not just short sighted it's plain wrong.

If it's needed or not- is a logical argument. It's far more logical than saying there is no difference. There is obviously a difference even if the difference is not that obvious.

+1.

It's personal tolerance and patience.

Sure you can still use your front end if it takes an extra second to populate the GUI or the cover art and enjoy it. But who wants to wait even tenths of a second if you don't have to do that ?

It's certainly not wrong to desire a HTPC that can perform at a high level of performance.