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post #181 of 212
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You constantly say that higher performance is not needed, there is no real world advantage, and that benchmarks don't translate into real world experience.

I basically have always agreed with you on this in relation to simple HTPC's, but the difference is I see a place and a reason and a benefit in certain applications while you throw a blanket covering the whole thing.

What am I missing?
post #182 of 212
Aww you're all mostly not paying attention to this thread anymore but I wanted to brag on my 8x256gb crucial c300 in raid-0 on an lsi 9260.

I bought them on day 1 for 800$/ea.

biggrin.gif

Good times!

I run just 3 in Raid-0 now.




Edit: I will be upgrading my system for haswell (or possibly broadwell depending on haswell's clocks/heat/tdp) If I were upgrading today I'd take samsung's reliability and faster small block random read (where most general purpose computing happens) over the vector. Though it looks like a great drive.
post #183 of 212
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HOLY COW !!!!!! eek.gif
post #184 of 212
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post #185 of 212
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Originally Posted by mbreslin View Post

Aww you're all mostly not paying attention to this thread anymore but I wanted to brag on my 8x256gb crucial c300 in raid-0 on an lsi 9260.

I bought them on day 1 for 800$/ea.

biggrin.gif

Good times!

I run just 3 in Raid-0 now.




Edit: I will be upgrading my system for haswell (or possibly broadwell depending on haswell's clocks/heat/tdp) If I were upgrading today I'd take samsung's reliability and faster small block random read (where most general purpose computing happens) over the vector. Though it looks like a great drive.

What do you use an 8x 256GB SSD array for ???
post #186 of 212
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mbreslin View Post

Aww you're all mostly not paying attention to this thread anymore but I wanted to brag on my 8x256gb crucial c300 in raid-0 on an lsi 9260.

I bought them on day 1 for 800$/ea.

biggrin.gif

Good times!

I run just 3 in Raid-0 now.




Edit: I will be upgrading my system for haswell (or possibly broadwell depending on haswell's clocks/heat/tdp) If I were upgrading today I'd take samsung's reliability and faster small block random read (where most general purpose computing happens) over the vector. Though it looks like a great drive.

What do you use an 8x 256GB SSD array for ???
post #187 of 212
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Originally Posted by AdamK47;34827796 
Bought two more for a total of eight Vertex 4 512GB drives in RAID-0.

8x_512GB_Vertex4.jpg

4TB-SSD-ASSSD.png

Lol.

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Originally Posted by AdamK47;34827831 
Anvil's Storage Utilities:

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ATTO:

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post #188 of 212
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http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ssd-raid-benchmark,review-32689.html

Really good article comparing Raid0 SSDs to large single drives.

Pretty much sums up what I've experienced personally.

Benchmarks and very demanding tasks get slaughtered with wreck less abandon but real world times aren't much improved.


I'm favoring a 256gb Sammy pro or vector 256 over dual 128's (which I've tested)

I'd prefer the simplicity and nothing more.
post #189 of 212
Striping also increases your chances of losing everything - two drives doubles your chances, three triples it, etc. Lose one drive in a stripe set and lose everything.
post #190 of 212
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True. But my OS drive has nothing of value on it.

I'd happily accept the risk for a significant speed increase.

Accept- The speed increase is not significant. For that reason I'd prefer a single larger drive. Nothing at all because of RAID0 fear of reliability- but 100% because it is easier.

I've run tons of RAID0 arrays and never had issues.
post #191 of 212
The end impact for the real world just doesn't pay off (IMHO). I've been using the Vertex 256Gb I picked up last summer, and will be upgrading to the 840. I could go faster to the Vector or a RAID-0, but the benefits to my use in an HTPC are minimal. More than that, while there is 'nothing of worth' in my OS storage, what is of worth is redoing all the activations and software installs. And while I keep an Acronis image of my main partition, the time it would take to reset RAID-0 and re-image is too annoying, and my time is worth money too wink.gif

Right now, I'm very happy with the performance of the Vertex.. at the point you've got a good SSD and 16G+ of RAM for an HTPC front end, anything else is mostly it.. I'm not launching any apps but Media Center, and everything I have is stored either on a NAS on the network, on a 3TB that's local for recorded TV storage. So multi-SSDs in RAID just don't hold a lot of interest for me.

But the Vector is interesting; and is one of the drives I will consider when I rebuild this summer.
post #192 of 212
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I agree. A 256GB high end SSD is already so good that the extra access time and RAID controller performance don't translate to serious gains.

A raid controller optimized for SSD might but I don't see those.

PCI express x16 3.0 SSD card is really a faster option due to optimization and lower access time.
post #193 of 212
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Well- I just ordered a Vector. It was $20 off with another $20 rebate card- and I got to use my $60 Gift Card I've been hording since Black Friday. It was cheaper than a Crucial M4, a normal Samsung840, and many of the other hard drives that are popular.

I only got it because I need to build a new PC for the office. I'll swap out my MAX IOPS on my desktop for it I guess.

I really wanted a 256GB Samsung PRO (still do) as my first choice so I think I'll use this until I find reason to upgrade it.
post #194 of 212
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So by first account there's a very noticeable boost in speed of my system that I'm not certain if I should attribute to the SSD or the new 4770k CPU and 2400mhz DDR3.

I will attempt to bench it later and posts results.

One thing for sure is the Vector after rebate is cheaper than a normal Samsung, Crucial M4, or many other normal SSDs making it a no brainer if prices stay at the same levels.

I was nearly certain I'd end up with the Sammy PRO. ( I still will smile.gif ). I only ended up getting this 128gb because I needed to build a system and figured I'd upgrade my desktop drive, use that for the system I was building.

I really want a 256gb PRO. Soon.
post #195 of 212
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True. But my OS drive has nothing of value on it.

OS drive = uptime. Uptime = WAF. WAF = future HTPC budget.

I could pin a specific dollar value on it if needed, but I guarantee the result is that you'd have to pay me to Raid0 an OS drive.
post #196 of 212
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post #197 of 212
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Ok- I have three set ups on my system.


1 Toggle Mode SSD MAX IOPS 120GB
1 Vector 128GB
1 RAID 0 240GB (two Vertex3's 120GB in Raid0)


The Raid set up slays the benchmarks- particuarly drive speeds. But the 128GB Vector "feels" faster and in most bench marks has better random 4k and better access time.


Controller is everything is SSD's

Give me a single large capacity SSD with a top class controller over a bunch of slower SSD's in RAID.
post #198 of 212
Can you try ATTO bench and post it? Its the most accurate for OCZ drives.

Thanks,

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post #199 of 212
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Originally Posted by goros View Post

Can you try ATTO bench and post it? Its the most accurate for OCZ drives.

Thanks,

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I was disappointed with the read speeds wink.gif I expected more.

I actually was downloading during this on the other monitor (not sure it it matters much though)



I'd be curious to see other results:


http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1749/atto-disk-benchmark-v2-46/

There is a link to try it free.
post #200 of 212
Your writes are slow. Reads look good.

Here is my Vertex 4 on my 3770k on a p8z77-ws (my BLCK is overclocked to 107 which may give me an edge).

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post #201 of 212
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Might have been cause I was downloading Ill run it again.
post #202 of 212
Make sure you are on an AHCI controller and that TRIM is enabled (some Marvell and JMicron controller drivers don't pass TRIM, if you have one, just use the default AHCI 1.0 driver, it works regardless of hardware).

Also update to the most recent firmware from OCZ. May help. Just watch out as it may be a destructive flash.

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post #203 of 212
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I am on Z87 Intel ports. My controller in my SSD is barefoot I think. It's OCZ's own controller. Slower write speeds don't bother me much because that does not translate into OS speed, but I know something is up with that so I will track it down soon. I am actually reinstalling my OS so I will wait until after that to bother with it.

I'm mostly concerned with read speeds and random 4k since they translate to OS speed on your system. I want a SSD that will totally saturate a sata3 port. (Like a Sammy 840PRO or Vector 256GB+)

128GB drives are just toys.
post #204 of 212
The controller I was talking about is on your motherboard. Not the inside of the ssd. You need to see if the driver you are using is AHCI 1.0 or something else. It's found under storage controllers in your control panel/device manager


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Edited by goros - 6/23/13 at 8:37am
post #205 of 212
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Originally Posted by goros View Post

The controller I was talking about is on your motherboard. Not the inside of the ssd. You need to see if the driver you are using is AHCI 1.0 or something else. It's found under storage controllers in your control panel/device manager


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post #206 of 212
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I'm guessing it's fine since I am on Z87.
post #207 of 212
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I'm guessing it's fine since I am on Z87.

Probably. I always dump the vendor specific driver in favor of the default ahci 1.0 driver because it always seems to give me better performance.

Do you know what firmware version the drive is on?

I am always one of the guinea pigs on the ocztechnologyforum.com site testing RC firmware and testing drivers for stability and speed.

Keep in mind your write speed decreasing or being low could be a sign of TRIM not being able to clean the used blocks of data to refresh the drive.

I'd download crystaldiskinfo and check drive status and firmware.

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post #208 of 212
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no idea. I just took it out of the box and installed it. I've noticed the reads in general computing are quicker and my PC is snappier but I also upgraded to a 4770k at the same time so hard to tell what is the real reason.

Not that my i7 2600k with a MAX IOPS was slow either though.

But the controller on the Vector seems to read random IOPS better for general windows and OS duties.
post #209 of 212
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Originally Posted by goros View Post

Probably. I always dump the vendor specific driver in favor of the default ahci 1.0 driver because it always seems to give me better performance.

Do you know what firmware version the drive is on?

I am always one of the guinea pigs on the ocztechnologyforum.com site testing RC firmware and testing drivers for stability and speed.

Keep in mind your write speed decreasing or being low could be a sign of TRIM not being able to clean the used blocks of data to refresh the drive.

I'd download crystaldiskinfo and check drive status and firmware.

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You really think the default ACHI 1.0 driver makes a difference ?
post #210 of 212
Sorry for the delay. Wife popped out a baby boy!

Yes, the AHCI driver makes a difference, because it allows TRIM commands to pass from the OS to your SSD, cleaning up empty used blocks of space and #1 extending the life of your drive and #2 cleaning used blocks will allow your drive to write at its best speeds.

Eventually the read speed will slow down as well without it.


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