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post #1 of 49
Thread Starter 
I'm looking to build a nice system for music listening, mostly Reggae and Electronica. The sound quality should be on the warm side. I'll be adding a sub. later, and may turn it into a HT system as time passes. I've heard good things about KEF Q900, Ascend Sierra Towers and NHT Classic Four. My receiver is a Denon AVR 1912, but I'm not sure it's got the power to push them, and getting a more powerful receiver/amp is an option.

Any opinions or recommendations??

Thanks in advance.

Ben
post #2 of 49
First of all, the KEF Q900 does not need a sub; it goes so low there is no need for one; read the Stereophile article on it. But despite its rave reviews, I think the speakers described below are better-sounding overall.

The best speakers you can buy in this price range, by far, are IMO the Gallo Classico CL-3, which I am currently using along with the NHT B12D subwoofer. They are $1600 direct from Gallo with a 60-day free trial; return shipping paid...IF you don't like them...which won't ever happen...lol.

My previous speakers were the PSB Image T6 speakers, which IMO are the second-best speakers for under $2000.

Try to read the article on the CL-3 from the July/August issue of The Absolute Sound; it gives the technical insights as to why this speaker is so good.

The Ascend and NHT speakers are good, but they are definitely not in the class of the Image T6 and the Gallo CL-3 IMO. The low sensitivity of the NHT is also a serious problem that one should not overlook. Your receiver will have adequate power for most speakers, but not the low-sensitivity NHT speakers.

Put the CL-3 speakers in your home for a month; the FREE trial is a no-brainer! If you don't like them (that won't happen...), you ship them back for free. All it costs you is the time to hook them up and listen.

I also will mention, as an aside, that I have had Vandersteen 3A speakers at my other home for over 20 years, and they are absolutely wonderful. They do cost almost $5000 though, and the Gallo Acoustics CL-3 comes very close to equaling them for less than half the price.
Edited by commsysman - 11/28/12 at 2:30pm
post #3 of 49
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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

My previous speakers were the PSB Image T6 speakers, which IMO are the second-best speakers for under $2000.

The Ascend and NHT speakers are good, but they are definitely not in the class of the Image T6 and the Gallo CL-3 IMO.

You seriously need to hear more speakers $2000 or under, starting with the NHT Fours and Ascend Towers. The PSB Imagines if not the Synchronys would be more equivalent than the Images.
post #4 of 49
Salk SongTowers. http://salksound.com/songtower%20home.htm

I saw these a month or so ago at a get-together for audio types and was so blown-away I bought the ones he had brought. These are by far my favorite speakers near their price range. (indeed: they are my favorite speakers in my collection, which include far more expensive speakers)

I will tell you that I have the ribbon tweeter version; which would push the price to $2700, but the dome-version is right at your price-point.
post #5 of 49
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

Salk SongTowers. http://salksound.com/songtower%20home.htm
I saw these a month or so ago at a get-together for audio types and was so blown-away I bought the ones he had brought. These are by far my favorite speakers near their price range. (indeed: they are my favorite speakers in my collection, which include far more expensive speakers)
I will tell you that I have the ribbon tweeter version; which would push the price to $2700, but the dome-version is right at your price-point.

+1 on the SongTower's. The are the best sounding speakers within your price range in my opinion, and I've heard the 3 others you mentioned, realbigplaya.
post #6 of 49
I started a similar thread recently, still have not made my choice. Maybe some comments in the thread will help you

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1437010/2-000-3-000-tower-speaker-comparison-need-help-picking-the-contenders-for-a-shootout

I really loved the Songtowers too. I am not getting a sub, so that made them a bit less likely to fit my needs. But, if I was adding a sub, they would be at or near the top of my list.

As far as Kef, the R series is excellent. It seems to be a step up in quality and sound from the Q series. Take a look at the R500 tower.

Good hunting.
post #7 of 49
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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

The Ascend and NHT speakers are good, but they are definitely not in the class of the Image T6 and the Gallo CL-3 IMO.

It's been proven to you on several occasions that you've never heard Ascend speakers, so you can't say they're not in the same league as another brand.
post #8 of 49
I don't know that the website mentions it, but Salk does have a return policy on the stock finish that would let you audition in-home.
post #9 of 49
You did not give a budget. But right now on Harmanaudio.com, under clearance & reconditioned taps you can have these.
PT800/PS1400. You will not find a better full range at or near this price. This system has to be heard to be believed. This system will leave the Salks in the dust.
For $3300, that was the original price for just a pair of PT800. http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_browse/reconditioned.asp
post #10 of 49
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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

First of all, the KEF Q900 does not need a sub; it goes so low there is no need for one; read the Stereophile article on it. But despite its rave reviews, I think the speakers described below are better-sounding overall.
The best speakers you can buy in this price range, by far, are IMO the Gallo Classico CL-3, which I am currently using along with the NHT B12D subwoofer. They are $1600 direct from Gallo with a 60-day free trial; return shipping paid...IF you don't like them...which won't ever happen...lol.
My previous speakers were the PSB Image T6 speakers, which IMO are the second-best speakers for under $2000.
Try to read the article on the CL-3 from the July/August issue of The Absolute Sound; it gives the technical insights as to why this speaker is so good.
The Ascend and NHT speakers are good, but they are definitely not in the class of the Image T6 and the Gallo CL-3 IMO.

Commsys: I have heard more expensive PSB Imagine line which is probably lot better than your old/cheap PSB Image T6s and I would say Ascend Sierra-1 at under $900/pair sounds way better than PSB Imagine.
post #11 of 49
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Originally Posted by avsnoob10 View Post

Commsys: I have heard more expensive PSB Imagine line which is probably lot better than your old/cheap PSB Image T6s and I would say Ascend Sierra-1 at under $900/pair sounds way better than PSB Imagine.

The Sierra-1, no, but the Sierra tower, definitely. Just my opinion. As for Commsys... Lol - just be careful concerning what he says, if you know what I mean. smile.gif
post #12 of 49
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

You did not give a budget

You might want to read the title of the thread again.
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But right now on Harmanaudio.com, under clearance & reconditioned taps you can have these. PT800/PS1400. You will not find a better full range at or near this price.

Except that they are not full range. That's a non-full range speaker sitting on top of a subwoofer.
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This system has to be heard to be believed. This system will leave the Salks in the dust. For $3300, that was the original price for just a pair of PT800. http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_browse/reconditioned.asp

Well. You went 62% over his budget.

I also disagree with your conclusion. I personally doubt you are even familiar with the speaker you are nay-saying; but to each their own.

The PT800 acutally bottoms out quite a bit earlier at 80Hz (SongtTower is 42), is -6db at that point (SongTower is -3).
Normally I would say this wasn't important, but 80Hz is shockingly high. It means you'll likely need to move the crossover point up to 100Hz. (I actually had to go pull down the manual because I found 80hz hard to believe)
You *will* need a subwoofer with these (yes, I am aware that you were recommending one), and integration will be fun.

It's an on-wall system; so not mounting it on the wall will result in baffle-diffraction problems, which BTW will bring you to -12db @80Hz (OTOH: a SongTower is not wall mountable, so that's an ergonomics preference)

The cabinet facade is... well, let's just say not up to the same standards.

But for only 62% more money we can buy a refurbished one.

How about this: Don't knock my recommendation to laud your own and, in return, I won't tear your recommendation apart.
Edited by JerryLove - 11/29/12 at 5:07am
post #13 of 49
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

The Sierra-1, no, but the Sierra tower, definitely. Just my opinion. As for Commsys... Lol - just be careful concerning what he says, if you know what I mean. smile.gif

Lol, I know exactly what you mean, and I am pretty sure you know why I wrote, what I wrote...
post #14 of 49
realbigplaya-

All the speakers you mentioned are solid options. You need to go out and listen. This should be fairly straightforward for the KEF and NHT options. For Salk and Ascend, you could do an in home trial or find someone who is local that is willing to let you have a listen. Happy hunting.
post #15 of 49
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

This system will leave the Salks in the dust.

He says having compared both directly. Oh wait...rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by avsnoob10 View Post

Lol, I know exactly what you mean, and I am pretty sure you know why I wrote, what I wrote...

Indeed I did. LOL. biggrin.gif
post #16 of 49
For around $2000? Klipsch RF-7 ii, no question.
post #17 of 49
Ill throw out some things I like in that price range for music.

Totem Sttaf
Dali Ikon 5
Monitor Audio RX8
Dynaudio DM 3/7
Focal 816V
post #18 of 49
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Originally Posted by realbigplaya View Post

I'm looking to build a nice system for music listening, mostly Reggae and Electronica. The sound quality should be on the warm side. I'll be adding a sub. later, and may turn it into a HT system as time passes. I've heard good things about KEF Q900, Ascend Sierra Towers and NHT Classic Four. My receiver is a Denon AVR 1912, but I'm not sure it's got the power to push them, and getting a more powerful receiver/amp is an option.

Any opinions or recommendations??

Thanks in advance.

Ben

my wife is an electronica/dubstep nut... so i'm going to throw something out there...

a pair of bookshelves + a sub would be an option worth looking at... since the sierra-1's have been mentioned (and i've owned them), a pair of those (bookshelf version) and a 1000 dollar sub wouldn't suck...
post #19 of 49
Thread Starter 
Wow. There are so many good options. I really appreciate everyone taking their time to respond. I'll let you know how it goes... This is going to be a fun exercise.
post #20 of 49
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

You might want to read the title of the thread again.
Except that they are not full range. That's a non-full range speaker sitting on top of a subwoofer.
Well. You went 62% over his budget.
I also disagree with your conclusion. I personally doubt you are even familiar with the speaker you are nay-saying; but to each their own.
The PT800 acutally bottoms out quite a bit earlier at 80Hz (SongtTower is 42), is -6db at that point (SongTower is -3).
Normally I would say this wasn't important, but 80Hz is shockingly high. It means you'll likely need to move the crossover point up to 100Hz. (I actually had to go pull down the manual because I found 80hz hard to believe)
You *will* need a subwoofer with these (yes, I am aware that you were recommending one), and integration will be fun.
It's an on-wall system; so not mounting it on the wall will result in baffle-diffraction problems, which BTW will bring you to -12db @80Hz (OTOH: a SongTower is not wall mountable, so that's an ergonomics preference)
The cabinet facade is... well, let's just say not up to the same standards.
But for only 62% more money we can buy a refurbished one.
How about this: Don't knock my recommendation to laud your own and, in return, I won't tear your recommendation apart.

Obviously, you are not very familiar with the speaker he's talking about either. The other two things in your post which I have quoted in bold demonstrate as much with their clear cut contradiction to each other. It's an either or scenario, not one or the other, and when used as a tower, they are indeed pretty much full range, certainly significantly more so than Salk STs.
post #21 of 49
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

The other two things in your post which I have quoted in bold demonstrate as much with their clear cut contradiction to each other.

I assume you mean:

"That's a non-full range speaker sitting on top of a subwoofer."
"It's an on-wall system; so not mounting it on the wall will result in baffle-diffraction problems"

The first quote discusses the picture he provided. It shows one of the JBL PT800's sitting on top of a JBL PT1200 subwoofer.
The second discussed the intended (by the manufacturer) mounting of these speakers. (yes, I can see that the ability to mount one on the other is explicit in the design as well: see below)

Here is the description from the link provided by 4DHD
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"Factory Reconditioned" 3-Way 8-inch wall, corner-mount or bookshelf satellite speakers

Note: 3-way (that's no subwoofer), "corner mount or bookshelf"; and that does mean that there's a baffle problem with at least one of those scenarios unless there's an adjustment for the crossover (I've listened to these JBLs, but I've never played with them)

I did not get the impression that he was recommending dual subs; but perhaps that's because no subs were in the provided link.
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It's an either or scenario, not one or the other, and when used as a tower, they are indeed pretty much full range, certainly significantly more so than Salk STs.

You mean if you buy a pair of the subwoofers?

Those aren't actually on the page he listed; so I have no idea if he intended for $1200 to cover one sub or two. They look like they are $750 used, so I must assume 1 sub.

So you are back to bookshelves and a sub (which is not what the OP asked for) at $3300 (which is 162% of the OP's budget).

You could go dual sub (I assume that puts us at $4500) and get your full range (and it would certainly go lower than a pair of Song Towers (which isn't surprising since you are at more than double the price)); but even then you only get to 30Hz @-3db (http://www.jbl.com/resources/Brands/jbl/Products/ProductRelatedDocuments/en-US/ServiceManual/Ps1400%20Sub%20SM.pdf)

Of course: you could get a lot more SPL and much lower (16Hz) for less money by tacking http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/cylinder/legato#.ULf1tofO0-s on to the SongTower purchase.

And you wouldn't have to worry about that messy high-frequency sub crossover like you do on the JBL, so you could place your subs for better LF sound rather than being nigh-forced to pair them with the speakers out of fear of localization.

Oh, and you saved $300.


The lengths people will go to defend stepping in and bashing someone's suggestion with one that didn't even meet the OP's guidelines is impressive.
Edited by JerryLove - 11/29/12 at 4:21pm
post #22 of 49
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

I assume you mean:
"That's a non-full range speaker sitting on top of a subwoofer."
"It's an on-wall system; so not mounting it on the wall will result in baffle-diffraction problems"
The first quote discusses the picture he provided. It shows one of the JBL PT800's sitting on top of a JBL PT1200 subwoofer.
The second discussed the intended (by the manufacturer) mounting of these speakers. (yes, I can see that the ability to mount one on the other is explicit in the design as well: see below)
Here is the description from the link provided by 4DHD
Note: 3-way (that's no subwoofer), "corner mount or bookshelf"; and that does mean that there's a baffle problem with at least one of those scenarios unless there's an adjustment for the crossover (I've listened to these JBLs, but I've never played with them)
I did not get the impression that he was recommending dual subs; but perhaps that's because no subs were in the provided link.
You mean if you buy a pair of the subwoofers?
Those aren't actually on the page he listed; so I have no idea if he intended for $1200 to cover one sub or two. They look like they are $750 used, so I must assume 1 sub.
So you are back to bookshelves and a sub (which is not what the OP asked for) at $3300 (which is 162% of the OP's budget).
You could go dual sub (I assume that puts us at $4500) and get your full range (and it would certainly go lower than a pair of Song Towers (which isn't surprising since you are at more than double the price)); but even then you only get to 30Hz @-3db (http://www.jbl.com/resources/Brands/jbl/Products/ProductRelatedDocuments/en-US/ServiceManual/Ps1400%20Sub%20SM.pdf)
Of course: you could get a lot more SPL and much lower (16Hz) for less money by tacking http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/cylinder/legato#.ULf1tofO0-s on to the SongTower purchase.
And you wouldn't have to worry about that messy high-frequency sub crossover like you do on the JBL, so you could place your subs for better LF sound rather than being nigh-forced to pair them with the speakers out of fear of localization.
Oh, and you saved $300.
The lengths people will go to defend stepping in and bashing someone's suggestion with one that didn't even meet the OP's guidelines is impressive.

There is a high pass crossover on each PS1400 bass module specifically for when using them as stands with the PT800s, thus in effect turning them into actively bi-amped towers (which obviously requires two of the bass modules at $600 each). Guess you must have missed that in the manual you claim to have "pulled down"? FWIW, the PT800s are very, very close siblings to the Revel Ultima2 Gem2s.
post #23 of 49
Have you had the chance to hear the PT800s.... ? If so what is your impression of them ?

Can't seem to find the pt-1400 on the page..
Edited by unbridled_id - 11/29/12 at 6:46pm
post #24 of 49
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

Guess you must have missed that in the manual you claim to have "pulled down"?
Now having opened the PDF file from JBL's site is "claimed"?

Seriously. If that's what this has devolved into; there's little point.

I hope our OP has a chance to listen to everything suggested and makes up his own mind.

http://www.jbl.com/resources/Brands/jbl/Products/ProductRelatedDocuments/en-US/OwnersManual/Performance%20Series%20OM%20(final)%20revised%202-28-01.pdf
post #25 of 49
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

There is a high pass crossover on each PS1400 bass module specifically for when using them as stands with the PT800s, thus in effect turning them into actively bi-amped towers (which obviously requires two of the bass modules at $600 each). Guess you must have missed that in the manual you claim to have "pulled down"? FWIW, the PT800s are very, very close siblings to the Revel Ultima2 Gem2s.

So the JBL PT800's are close in terms of performance and sound quality to the Revel Ultima2 Gen2's? That seems like a pretty big claim. How much do the PT800's go for? Can anyone else comment on the PT800's compared to other high end speakers?
post #26 of 49
I will go with the salk. pretty much proven to be an excelent speaker at its price employing worlclass drivers and built by the hands of the american and with the abiltiy to tailor your venneer options. It may not be for everyone but hard to beat for what they offer.
post #27 of 49
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

Ill throw out some things I like in that price range for music.
Totem Sttaf
Dali Ikon 5
Monitor Audio RX8
Dynaudio DM 3/7
Focal 816V

This is a good list. If you are willing to consider purchasing a used set of speakers, you might be able to pick up some even better models. I'd check into used Dynaudio, Focal, Revel, etc.

Since you mentioned wanting something on the warm side, you might like something like these Dynaudio with the soft dome tweeter:

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-dynaudio-excite-x36-floorstanders-rosewood-2012-11-11-speakers-95403-santa-rosa-ca

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-dynaudio-excite-32-s-piano-black-2012-11-05-speakers-77656-silsbee-tx

Or these Revel F32, which is a pretty full range speaker:

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-revel-f32-speakers-2012-11-28-speakers-43021-galena-oh
post #28 of 49
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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

First of all, the KEF Q900 does not need a sub; it goes so low there is no need for one; read the Stereophile article on it.

Don't assume everyone on earth has the same taste as you.

I think my Revel Salon2 and B&W 802D2 need dual subs. It all depends on personal taste, which varies from person to person.
post #29 of 49
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Originally Posted by realbigplaya View Post

I'm looking to build a nice system for music listening, mostly Reggae and Electronica. The sound quality should be on the warm side. I'll be adding a sub. later, and may turn it into a HT system as time passes. I've heard good things about KEF Q900, Ascend Sierra Towers and NHT Classic Four. My receiver is a Denon AVR 1912, but I'm not sure it's got the power to push them, and getting a more powerful receiver/amp is an option.
Any opinions or recommendations??
Thanks in advance.
Ben

I think there are many great sounding speakers - Salk, Ascend, KEF, Revel, Focal, Dynaudio, NHT, PSB, B&W (although some may disagree with me - don't even go there biggrin.gif) and many more.

Besides sound quality, what are your other criteria?

Do you have to audition first?

Are you willing to pay return shipping to audition some speakers?

Do you like the aesthetic of some of these speakers?

Although you mentioned towers, are you willing to consider bookshelf speakers since you will get subwoofers? For example, the new Focal 1008be is $5,500/pr. What if you could get the previous model 1007be (made in France) brand new for only $1800/pr?

Etc, etc,
post #30 of 49
Excllent
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

This is a good list. If you are willing to consider purchasing a used set of speakers, you might be able to pick up some even better models. I'd check into used Dynaudio, Focal, Revel, etc.
Since you mentioned wanting something on the warm side, you might like something like these Dynaudio with the soft dome tweeter:
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-dynaudio-excite-x36-floorstanders-rosewood-2012-11-11-speakers-95403-santa-rosa-ca
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-dynaudio-excite-32-s-piano-black-2012-11-05-speakers-77656-silsbee-tx
Or these Revel F32, which is a pretty full range speaker:
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-revel-f32-speakers-2012-11-28-speakers-43021-galena-oh

Excellent finds. I like the Revel F32. If the condition is excellent, I think $1900-$2000 delivered would be great.

I got my Dynaudio X32 for $1375 delivered (excellent condition).
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