Originally Posted by rabident
They wanted to sell me Procella speakers too, but it gets expensive when buying for 7+ speakers and multiple subs. I am also considering Danley SH50 and Genelec. Haven't made a decision yet. I would be interested to hear what you think of Procella after you get them setup. They should be "the last speakers you'll ever need" at least for your theater...
Funny you should mention this. I have been a bit negligent in my thread posting duties but I had my first opportunity to hear a full Procella system in action. The company I work for has their global headquarters in Dallas, Texas and I was down there for a week of meetings. I knew I was going to have one evening open, so I reached out to Kblaw2010 who has an Erskine-designed theater with a full-on Procella system, including two massive P18 subwoofers (total of four drivers). His thread can be found HERE
. I drove out to his house after work, expecting to hear the system over the course of an hour or so and then I would be on my way. Well, we ended up "nerding out" (as my wife calls it) on different demo material for the better part of four hours with all kinds of different source material, including music. Here are the conclusions I drew after hearing his system:
- Dennis designed an amazing room which was executed extremely well by kblaw2010's DIY efforts
- Adam Pelz is a master at room calibration
- Gerben Van Duyl and Anders Uggelberg of Procella Audio designed an amazing speaker system that beats any system I have ever heard.
- Phenomenal is not a strong enough word to describe the experience
Every demo piece offered detail and enveloping sound I had never heard before, even if the section was very familiar to me. But out of all the demo material, three demos in particular really stood out. First was the beginning of Polar Express. I have never seen this movie so I did not know what to expect. The beginning scene has some very quiet, very detailed passages with well-placed and localized sound effects....and then.....the train starts to roll in..... I have never - NEVER
- heard bass that powerful, clean and well-defined. Talk about pressurizing a room! The seats actual felt like they had Buttkickers, but they didn't - ALL of the power, vibration and chest-pounding thunder of this train came exclusively through the two Procella P18 subs. What an incredible experience. I am still blown away two weeks later. Unfortunately, Procella's subs are the one part of the system I just couldn't afford, but that was one unbelievable justification to want to own these subs at any cost. The rest of the system was incredible as well - the bell for the train coming into the station was as clear as...well....a bell, despite the Earthshaking thunder.
One other movie demo that clearly stood out was the pod racing theme from Star Wars I. Despite being a Star Wars fan, I have only tortured myself with this movie a couple of times. I remember seeing this movie in the theater and finding the pod racing scene tedious and boring at best. But what an incredible demo on this Procella speaker system and the talents of Adam to extract maximum performance from the QSC DSPs. You could distinctly hear the different sound of each pod "engine", the difference between racing through the canyon and in open air and most notably, the imaging as different pods were coming up from behind, being passed and moving from left to right. This brings me to my second point - I have never heard an audio system image so well. It truly puts you right in the middle of the action and it made the entire scene really enjoyable.
The other notable demo was music. Not that the theater acoustic environment is even remotely appropriate for high-quality 3-dimensional music, but for the few songs Kblaw2010 played, I was very impressed and pleased with how nice the system sounded. The reason for this is I can see myself sitting in my future theater listening to music while I work on my laptop in the evenings and I had some concern that listening to music on the system would be intolerable. But again, the soundstage was extremely good and gave a very nice jazz club atmosphere when using all 9 channels.
All-in-all it was a great evening and it was nice to meet another enthusiast who is also one heck of a nice guy and who has a beautiful family. I won't be in Dallas that often, but I definitely look forward to getting together again.
So take this informal review of the Procella speakers FWIW. Given your size room you would definitely be into the P815s for the front P8s for the sides/surrounds and two P18 subwoofers. You could potentially "downgrade" (if you can call it that) to P6s for the sides / surrounds to save a bit of cash. It is my understanding from talking with different people in the industry that the Procellas give you the performance of Genelec at half the price. Still expensive, yes, but also a great value on an extraordinary system. I am glad to have committed to the speakers when I did and look forward to getting my system set up. Depending on when your theater project picks up again, I might have my system running by that point so you could drop by for a demo.
Originally Posted by rabident
HT theme is another area I thought I could save some money. How much % extra do you think the Art Deco theme is going to add?
That's tough to say, but definitely a bit of a premium. I am getting most of my "look" from period-correct moldings, so the cost is really no different than other molding profiles. The decorative metal inserts are unique and an added cost. And the deco doorknob (shown in previous post in this thread) is $400 vs. a standard one that would be about $75. So there is a bit of an uptick in cost, but nothing unmanageable. I'd say the big savings between what I am doing and a modern take is that you probably would not have very much wood or finish carpentry.
Originally Posted by rabident
If you don't get everything done this weekend, I wouldn't mind helping out. I just started PT for my knee, so I wouldn't be useful carrying anything, but I did clips & channel before and spent some time as the GG applicator guy. I've also got some tools and supplies left over from my build.
I really appreciate that, but trust me - you don't want this kind of job to help with, especially in your condition right now. The ladders and lifting onto ladders will kill you. I don't plan to use clips for the walls since my theater is already completely decoupled as-is, but I will be decoupling the ceiling with Kinetics Noise Control WAVE hangers as a soundproofing technique. Once I get over this ceiling drywall hurdle you should see things move rapidly as I mainline caffeine and stress to keep things moving at an aggressive pace. I probably won't be done by baby time, but I would like to be well into the finish carpentry stage at that point. We'll see how I hold out because I am also diligently working on finishing the basement at the same time. I haven't included many pictures of that progress, but I probably should. You are always more than welcome to visit and help out, but I think most of the heavy lifting will be done in the next couple of weeks....at least that's how I have it planned in my head. Edited by TMcG - 1/27/13 at 6:18pm