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Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark Blu-Ray 2nd Edition

post #1 of 636
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Artwork from the upcoming HD Benchmark Disk by Stacey Spears & Don Munsil.
It will came out (propably) at the end of next month.
post #2 of 636
Thanks Ted for the info, any price news ? wink.gif
post #3 of 636
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No Price yet, I'm checking Amazon daily, when it will be available i will post the link. wink.gif
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No Price yet, I'm checking Amazon daily, when it will be available i will post the link. wink.gif
thanks wink.gif
post #5 of 636
Does the 3D logo mean there are patterns developed specificaly for calibrating 3D on it?
post #6 of 636
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2D + 3D Patterns will be Included
post #7 of 636
Lol, I'm embarrassed to say I'm exited hh smile.gif it's on my list.
post #8 of 636
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http://www.spearsandmunsil.com/

The Spears & Munsil High Definition Benchmark Blu-ray 1st Edition is no longer available, is out of print.

The 2nd edition Blu-ray disc to be available March, 2013.

Features:

- Calibration patterns for all major display controls.

- Evaluation patterns for measuring display and player quality.

- Clips to test deinterlacing performance.

- Samples of different video and audio codecs.

- All patterns created at 1080p in native color space using proprietary software.
post #9 of 636
Sounds like the same features as the original actually.
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The 1st version was only 2D and did not have test patterns needed for calibration of greyscale/gamma/colour gamut. It had basic patterns for brightness/contrast/sharpness and a lot of evaluation patterns. The 2nd version is supposed to hv the test patterns necessary for calibration of the mentioned parameters as well as in 3D as well.
post #11 of 636
Right! Now i have a lock on on it, sounds brilliant. Does it have a Color band pattern?
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Here is the booklet that will be included with the new disc. www.spearsandmunsil.com/sspears70/v2insert.zip

There is a lot of content on the disc, which is why it has taken so long to author. I should have a new build of the disc to test today. Hopefully its almost done and will hit the market no later than April. In the end, it will be done when it is done.

1. All of the patterns except the SD, interlaced, and 30p, are available in 2D or 3D. In 3D most of them are flat 3D. We do have a special 3D section that lets you visually measure crosstalk, if you know the gamma of your display, a way to measure with a meter, and some 3D evaluation patterns for things like the sync between the left and right eye.
2. The disc has 5.1 and 7.1 pink noise for audio level adjustment as well as phase. Our pink noise closely matches THX, so you calibrate for 75 dB. The audio is available in TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. We also have some 24p and 2-3 lip sync patterns.
3. We have RGB and YCbCr ramps in horizontal, vertical, and double horizontal. The YCbCr ramps are RGB legal.
4. We have some new motion patterns to measure motion resolution. We also have some motion patterns in 24p, 30p, and 60i. This will show inherent blur in the display itself.
5. For the grayscale and gamut patterns, we decided to only include equal energy patterns. Similar in concept to the AVS709 Constant APL patterns.

If you liked the first disc, we hope you love the 2nd disc. If you did not like the first disc, you probably will not like the 2nd. There are a lot more advanced patterns and many require some sort of instrumentation.

Not sure what you mean by color band pattern.

I will post an update on Monday on how our testing goes.
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

Here is the booklet that will be included with the new disc. www.spearsandmunsil.com/sspears70/v2insert.zip

There is a lot of content on the disc, which is why it has taken so long to author. I should have a new build of the disc to test today. Hopefully its almost done and will hit the market no later than April. In the end, it will be done when it is done.

1. All of the patterns except the SD, interlaced, and 30p, are available in 2D or 3D. In 3D most of them are flat 3D. We do have a special 3D section that lets you visually measure crosstalk, if you know the gamma of your display, a way to measure with a meter, and some 3D evaluation patterns for things like the sync between the left and right eye.
2. The disc has 5.1 and 7.1 pink noise for audio level adjustment as well as phase. Our pink noise closely matches THX, so you calibrate for 75 dB. The audio is available in TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. We also have some 24p and 2-3 lip sync patterns.
3. We have RGB and YCbCr ramps in horizontal, vertical, and double horizontal. The YCbCr ramps are RGB legal.
4. We have some new motion patterns to measure motion resolution. We also have some motion patterns in 24p, 30p, and 60i. This will show inherent blur in the display itself.
5. For the grayscale and gamut patterns, we decided to only include equal energy patterns. Similar in concept to the AVS709 Constant APL patterns.

If you liked the first disc, we hope you love the 2nd disc. If you did not like the first disc, you probably will not like the 2nd. There are a lot more advanced patterns and many require some sort of instrumentation.

Not sure what you mean by color band pattern.

I will post an update on Monday on how our testing goes.

Thanks Stacey and Don for your great work, can't wait this version smile.gif
post #14 of 636
the link is broken...
post #15 of 636
I just tried the link after your post and its working for me. Which OS are you on? It is a zip file, so it needs to be downloaded and decompressed first.
post #16 of 636
Ir doesn't work with my android phone, i'll try with my laptop at home
post #17 of 636
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

Here is the booklet that will be included with the new disc. www.spearsandmunsil.com/sspears70/v2insert.zip

There is a lot of content on the disc, which is why it has taken so long to author. I should have a new build of the disc to test today. Hopefully its almost done and will hit the market no later than April. In the end, it will be done when it is done.

1. All of the patterns except the SD, interlaced, and 30p, are available in 2D or 3D. In 3D most of them are flat 3D. We do have a special 3D section that lets you visually measure crosstalk, if you know the gamma of your display, a way to measure with a meter, and some 3D evaluation patterns for things like the sync between the left and right eye.
2. The disc has 5.1 and 7.1 pink noise for audio level adjustment as well as phase. Our pink noise closely matches THX, so you calibrate for 75 dB. The audio is available in TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. We also have some 24p and 2-3 lip sync patterns.
3. We have RGB and YCbCr ramps in horizontal, vertical, and double horizontal. The YCbCr ramps are RGB legal.
4. We have some new motion patterns to measure motion resolution. We also have some motion patterns in 24p, 30p, and 60i. This will show inherent blur in the display itself.
5. For the grayscale and gamut patterns, we decided to only include equal energy patterns. Similar in concept to the AVS709 Constant APL patterns.

If you liked the first disc, we hope you love the 2nd disc. If you did not like the first disc, you probably will not like the 2nd. There are a lot more advanced patterns and many require some sort of instrumentation.

Not sure what you mean by color band pattern.

I will post an update on Monday on how our testing goes.

will the meter patterns be in the right sequence for CalMAN 5? will there be patterns for saturation and luminance sweeps, colorchecker, the dynamic range tool in CM5, and the like? basically, will the new disc have all the patterns needed for CM5 and its many new features?
post #18 of 636
The authoring started last July, so CM5 will not have support. SpectraCAL will get a disc as soon as we have one ready.
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The authoring started last July, so CM5 will not have support. SpectraCAL will get a disc as soon as we have one ready.

ok, I suppose they could add support for this disc like they have for DVE and AVS (among others)
post #20 of 636
I exchanged mail with Derek in November when I sent him the menu layout for the disc and how to navigate the patterns.

Once this disc is on the market, we will probably focus on creating a pattern pack for the VideoForge. Possibly 4k patterns for the 4k version as well as for REDRAY.
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

Once this disc is on the market, we will probably focus on creating a pattern pack for the VideoForge.

Considering the number of displays that can potentially vary light output depending on the image displayed, I thought it made sense for people using pattern generators to have patterns that matched with discs, in order to more easily check that the pattern generator matched with the video player. Anyway, sounds like a good idea to me.
post #22 of 636
The most important aspect of using a generator is to ensure its output matches your Blu-ray players output. e.g. If you Blu-ray player is outputting 12-bit YCbCr 4:2:2, then your generator had better be the same. There are often times a player might output 4:2:2 and the generator is outputting RGB. Or the generator is outputting 0-255 and the player is 16-235.

As long as they match, the results should be OK.

The light output issue you describe is why we focused on the equal energy patterns. They will ensure light output never changes. This is mostly a problem with Plasmas and only when the FCC enforced green regulations on them. Kuro's never had this problem, I believe. A dynamic IRIS could also cause a change.
post #23 of 636
Looking forward to actual 3D patterns for calibration.
post #24 of 636
We spent the weekend going through every feature on the disc. There is a lot of content, especially when you consider testing everything in 2D and 3D mode. Some content has both SD and HD versions. For audio you have TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, 5.1, and 7.1 versions.

Everything has been muxed. Hopefully we have identified all of the bugs. At this point we have tested on an OPPO 103, PS3, and Panasonic DMP-BDT320. We need to try and cover some more players this week.
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

We spent the weekend going through every feature on the disc. There is a lot of content, especially when you consider testing everything in 2D and 3D mode. Some content has both SD and HD versions. For audio you have TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, 5.1, and 7.1 versions.

Everything has been muxed. Hopefully we have identified all of the bugs. At this point we have tested on an OPPO 103, PS3, and Panasonic DMP-BDT320. We need to try and cover some more players this week.

what price point will this disc be at? I believe the current one is around $25
post #26 of 636
Have not finalized the price yet. It should be priced similar. We don't know the cost yet of printing the new booklet, it's much longer than the original. It may include a bonus DVD as well.
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

Have not finalized the price yet. It should be priced similar. We don't know the cost yet of printing the new booklet, it's much longer than the original. It may include a bonus DVD as well.

and the blue filter ?
post #28 of 636
Yes, blue filter. I was only calling out things that are different. The filter is the same.

Here is the booklet that will be included with the new disc. www.spearsandmunsil.com/sspears70/v2insert.zip
post #29 of 636
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Yes, blue filter. I was only calling out things that are different. The filter is the same.

Here is the booklet that will be included with the new disc. www.spearsandmunsil.com/sspears70/v2insert.zip

Hello Stacey, the link is not working for me - 404 (Page Not Found) - Can you check it please?
post #30 of 636
It works when I click on it. I just tested again with the link in your quote. Which OS are you running? Web browser? I am running IE9 on Win7.
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