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post #151 of 2080
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Originally Posted by Dragon Reborn View Post

No official word from JVC Canada yet. And my dealer also has not received any info yet.
But, I'm in the same boat...don't plan to watch 3D and don't have my glasses yet either, so no rush. Still disappointed that it won't be DIY. frown.gif

I'm wondering how people can tell if we have the bad or good firmware if we don't use the 3D. My understanding the firmware version will be the same regardless.
post #152 of 2080
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Originally Posted by tigerfan33 View Post

I'm wondering how people can tell if we have the bad or good firmware if we don't use the 3D. My understanding the firmware version will be the same regardless.

I was wondering the same thing, and asked on the shootout thread. Have a look at this response.
post #153 of 2080
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I was wondering the same thing, and asked on the shootout thread. Have a look at this response.

Ya, saw that too. Is that some kind of service menu? Don't recognize it.

http://cdn.avsforum.com/6/66/66572a15_switcher20Copy.jpeg

Hopefully, Xood can verify/confirm any obvious change that we can check ourselves.
post #154 of 2080
I can't find 100% info., does this projector has 16x9 to 2:35:1 memory zoon feature like Panasonic 4000 or not?, thanks.
post #155 of 2080
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I can't find 100% info., does this projector has 16x9 to 2:35:1 memory zoon feature like Panasonic 4000 or not?, thanks.

It doesn't have the autodetect like the Panasonics but you save whatever lens memories (shift zoom focus) you want and then simply a couple button presses on the remote to switch aspect ratios.

Ron
post #156 of 2080
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Originally Posted by yourtoys7 View Post

I can't find 100% info., does this projector has 16x9 to 2:35:1 memory zoon feature like Panasonic 4000 or not?, thanks.

I'm not familiar with the Panasonic 4000, but if you are referring to lens memory, yes the RS46 has this feature.
post #157 of 2080
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I can't find 100% info., does this projector has 16x9 to 2:35:1 memory zoon feature like Panasonic 4000 or not?, thanks.

Yes, but please be aware of what this means: It can't magically stretch the image in some way to make 2.35:1 'fit' a 16:9 screen. All it can do is zoom (plus shift and focus) the image so that the black bars get pushed off the top and bottom of a 2.35:1 screen. Or you can zoom smaller so that a 16:9 image fits within the height of a 2.35:1 screen (with side bars).

It seems very consistent from my use so far with my X35, so a nice implementation I think. smile.gif
post #158 of 2080
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Originally Posted by Ronzai View Post

It doesn't have the autodetect like the Panasonics but you save whatever lens memories (shift zoom focus) you want and then simply a couple button presses on the remote to switch aspect ratios.
Ron

On Panasonic, I go to Lens, Memory, select which aspect I want and it zooms in or out depending on ratio, 3 clicks smile.gif
post #159 of 2080
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Originally Posted by yourtoys7 View Post

On Panasonic, I go to Lens, Memory, select which aspect I want and it zooms in or out depending on ratio, 3 clicks smile.gif

After you set the Zoom, Shift and Focus settings for an aspect ratio you can save and name the entry in the JVC menu. Then you can recall those settings via the remote by pressing the lens memory button.

See page 29 of the user's manual linked on the first page of this thread
post #160 of 2080
I just made a point of checking close to the screen for the streaking issue on text and can confirm that I don't have any issue with this. I turned my Darbee off as it does cause a known issue on certain text (kind of 'links' some parts of the letters). I used my HD PVR on the program guide as it is white text on a black background. I have a fair amount of lens shift too as discussed further back.
post #161 of 2080
My switcher version is higher: 2012.12.4.1
The rest is the same. Firmware is 29.001
It was updated on Monday buy a JVC service guy.
Its an EU model, bought here in Germany.

I watched lots of stuff now. Was almost going to say there is no ghosting in 3D, but sometimes its visible. But very rare.
This was in Sammy, with Avatar I saw none.

The picture in general is amazing, very bright and stunning colors. My old one was a Panasonic 900, so I did make quite a leap forward.
I run it on low motion compensation and for me it still keeps a nice movie look. Very few scenes look a bit soap,TV show like.

There is only one thing I do not like. Its the flickering in 3D and I even notice a few faint pulsing in 2D. But I am super sensitive to those changes. :-)
But, its nowhere near as bad to spoil the movie. In fact I got a new best friend.

I was first a bid confused how to use the glasses, but it helps to read the manual.
Press once to turn on, again to turn off. The light to indicate the state is inside the right ear pole thing, so you must fold it in order to see it. But its a nice idea, since this way no one will be irritated by it.
Further, the manual says you can toggle a 2D mode for each individual pair of glasses. Nice idea!

Batman, TDK only showed a bit of flickering on one building. Howeverm the blacks were insane! I had now idea how good black stuff can look like. It must be the in screen contrast doing its magic.

(Writting on ipad lol)
post #162 of 2080
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There is only one thing I do not like. Its the flickering in 3D and I even notice a few faint pulsing in 2D. But I am super sensitive to those changes. :-)

Thanks for this post/info. 3d flicker is something I have been curious about on the new models and is something I am very sensitive to, so this is good to know.
post #163 of 2080
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Originally Posted by Xood View Post

My switcher version is higher: 2012.12.4.1
The rest is the same. Firmware is 29.001

Sorry to keep asking the same question in multiple places, but where is this detailed version info listed? On a service menu somewhere?
post #164 of 2080
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Originally Posted by HyperReality View Post

Sorry to keep asking the same question in multiple places, but where is this detailed version info listed? On a service menu somewhere?

I found this on the RS40 thread, and I assume it would be the same to access the service menu on the RS46:

On the remote, quickly press UP DOWN RIGHT LEFT ENTER
post #165 of 2080
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Originally Posted by Dragon Reborn View Post

Re: iPad consolidation ... good idea. Probably even better with the iPad Mini, size-wise. smile.gif Thanks for the info.

You're welcome.
post #166 of 2080
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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

You're welcome.

Hi xb1032,
can you please give the name of the app ? Is it Roomie Remote - thx
post #167 of 2080
Anyone care to safe some of there picture settings? As far as gamma and 6500k etc etc?
This is my first projector so not really sure how its supposed to look
post #168 of 2080
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Originally Posted by yourtoys7 View Post

On Panasonic, I go to Lens, Memory, select which aspect I want and it zooms in or out depending on ratio, 3 clicks smile.gif

I figured it would be press lens memory and then select which aspect ratio you saved. But I believe the Panasonic has an auto detect depending on what material is being played it can auto change without user input. I think some have said it can be a pain especially when watching tv and it wants to keep changing ratios so I think many turn off the auto detect. My current projector has all motorized but no memory function.

I am trying to decide on either the JVC X35 or Panny 8000. I am leaning toward the x35 but I also game which has me not sure with the input lag of JVC.

Hopefully I have my info correct, apologies if I am wrong on anything.
post #169 of 2080
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Originally Posted by wildcard011 View Post

Hi xb1032,
can you please give the name of the app ? Is it Roomie Remote - thx

I believe he said it was iRule
post #170 of 2080
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Originally Posted by wildcard011 View Post

Hi xb1032,
can you please give the name of the app ? Is it Roomie Remote - thx

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Originally Posted by Dragon Reborn View Post

I believe he said it was iRule

Yes, iRule. Works great!
post #171 of 2080
Put the kids to bed and finally had a chance to fire it up. Let me say this is my first projector and I have no idea what I'm doing and I'm jst learning from the community at this point. smile.gif

My theater is not done yet (carpet goes in Wed), so I was just projecting onto a taupe colored textured wall upstairs. I ran through some of the test patterns on the AVS 709 mp4 directly connected to my laptop outputting 1920x1080 via hdmi.

Focus using the green grid that is built in seemed to sharpen up pretty well from corner to corner, but definitely best right in the middle of the picture.

Used both the standard crosshatch and the small crosshatch to do the pixel adjust. At first I adjusted red up one and blue right one which made the upper center of the picture look near perfect. I moved on to the horizontal converg pics and realized that the bottom right was way out, like showing double lines out. Ended up moving all the pixel adjust back to the middle setting (3) as that was the best overall. Upper left and bottom right are at odds with each other. I guess I have to pick which one I want to be better converged. The way I left it, red is a half pixel down in the upper left and upper mid of the picture. Blue is a quarter pixel off in those same areas. The zoned adjustment of the 48+ would have come in handy here for sure I am guessing.

I want to test focus some more. What is the best test pattern to use to test focus/sharpness? I see people use that NEC one with a bunch of text written in different styles. Where can I find that one?

I watched a few BD video clips from the demo disc. Everything looks pretty great to me. Picture is a bit dull maybe but I think that's mainly the wall. I used Kraine's recommended settings from his review.

Lastly, I notice a faint ringing/beeping sound coming from the rear left exhaust (while facing) of the projector. I can only hear it up close. 5-6 ft away and it is inaudible. Is that normal?
post #172 of 2080
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Originally Posted by Xood View Post

My switcher version is higher: 2012.12.4.1
The rest is the same. Firmware is 29.001
It was updated on Monday buy a JVC service guy.
Its an EU model, bought here in Germany.
I even notice a few faint pulsing in 2D. But I am super sensitive to those changes. :-)

(Writting on ipad lol)

Switcher version controllable Service menu (Dragon Reborn well wrote: On the remote, quickly press UP DOWN RIGHT LEFT ENTER)
2D pulsing: The lamp thermally flashes. New lamp is normal. To wear on .
Excuse me my English is poor.
post #173 of 2080
My seats arrive today. I had the guy at work
Make me a mount out of steel for my R46 so I can mount it on the wall. Once I get it all rolling I can start messing with settings
post #174 of 2080
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Originally Posted by jcorbin View Post

I want to test focus some more. What is the best test pattern to use to test focus/sharpness? I see people use that NEC one with a bunch of text written in different styles. Where can I find that one?

Here you go: http://f.cl.ly/items/1L012i3B1g130y0x1d2v/NEC_pattern_1.jpg


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Lastly, I notice a faint ringing/beeping sound coming from the rear left exhaust (while facing) of the projector. I can only hear it up close. 5-6 ft away and it is inaudible. Is that normal?

Not sure. Was this sound in 2D or 3D mode? Low or high lamp? I can't say I've heard this myself, but I can check when I fire it up next.
post #175 of 2080
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Originally Posted by jcorbin View Post

Put the kids to bed and finally had a chance to fire it up. Let me say this is my first projector and I have no idea what I'm doing and I'm jst learning from the community at this point. smile.gif
My theater is not done yet (carpet goes in Wed), so I was just projecting onto a taupe colored textured wall upstairs. I ran through some of the test patterns on the AVS 709 mp4 directly connected to my laptop outputting 1920x1080 via hdmi.
Focus using the green grid that is built in seemed to sharpen up pretty well from corner to corner, but definitely best right in the middle of the picture.
Used both the standard crosshatch and the small crosshatch to do the pixel adjust. At first I adjusted red up one and blue right one which made the upper center of the picture look near perfect. I moved on to the horizontal converg pics and realized that the bottom right was way out, like showing double lines out. Ended up moving all the pixel adjust back to the middle setting (3) as that was the best overall. Upper left and bottom right are at odds with each other. I guess I have to pick which one I want to be better converged. The way I left it, red is a half pixel down in the upper left and upper mid of the picture. Blue is a quarter pixel off in those same areas. The zoned adjustment of the 48+ would have come in handy here for sure I am guessing.
I want to test focus some more. What is the best test pattern to use to test focus/sharpness? I see people use that NEC one with a bunch of text written in different styles. Where can I find that one?
I watched a few BD video clips from the demo disc. Everything looks pretty great to me. Picture is a bit dull maybe but I think that's mainly the wall. I used Kraine's recommended settings from his review.
Lastly, I notice a faint ringing/beeping sound coming from the rear left exhaust (while facing) of the projector. I can only hear it up close. 5-6 ft away and it is inaudible. Is that normal?

One thing to keep in mind, when projecting onto a wall, it is very hard to determine if the image is square. This is because you do not have a perfectly square frame to project against. If the image is not perfectly square, then focus can't be completely uniform edge to edge.
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post #176 of 2080
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Originally Posted by yourtoys7 View Post

On Panasonic, I go to Lens, Memory, select which aspect I want and it zooms in or out depending on ratio, 3 clicks smile.gif

Its nice that the Panasonic is better than the JVC in at least this one way.
post #177 of 2080
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Its nice that the Panasonic is better than the JVC in at least this one way.


Actually it's only a few clicks on the JVC: Press lens memory button, select the memory you wish to use, then press enter. If it's the top memory you want then that's only 3 clicks as well, plus you get a brilliant picture to watch after it's adjusted. wink.gif
post #178 of 2080
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

One thing to keep in mind, when projecting onto a wall, it is very hard to determine if the image is square. This is because you do not have a perfectly square frame to project against. If the image is not perfectly square, then focus can't be completely uniform edge to edge.

I think what Mike is trying to convey is not the square shape that a frame makes but having the plane of the wall exactly match the plane of the lens. This of course would have really nothing to do re the shape or outline of the frame but as to whether the wall is perfectly flat like a stretched fabric on a frame would be . One could indeed project a rectangle (the 16/9 one generated by the chips on a wall and simply measure the top and bottom and the sides getting them the same Top and bottom of course longer than the sides and even measure with a protractoe to get 90 degrees without having a frame to mimic. But unless the wall is flat and most aren't, the focus could be off.
Edited by mark haflich - 12/14/12 at 6:14am
post #179 of 2080
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Anyone care to safe some of there picture settings? As far as gamma and 6500k etc etc?
This is my first projector so not really sure how its supposed to look

From all reports so far, the JVC is pretty good right out of the box already, but I'd also be interested if anybody would like to share their settings. smile.gif

It's been mentioned that Cinema or Natural modes are quite good, set color space to standard, set gamma to 2.2 (or just leave as is), and that's a pretty nice picture as is. For bat-cave movies, I set the iris to -15; for room-lighting TV, I leave it at 0. Then I used the AVS calibration tools (link in post #1) to do a basic calibration of brightness and contrast which gave me -1/+1 for contrast/brightness for bat-cave mode, and -2/+2 for TV mode. After that, I think I set the Black Level adjustment set at 1.

Hopefully, Zombie10k, Art et al. can present their own settings soon.
Edited by Dragon Reborn - 12/14/12 at 5:27am
post #180 of 2080
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I think what Mike is trying to convey is not the square shape that a frame makes but having the plane of the wall exactly match the plane of the lens. this of course would have really nothing to do re the shape or outline of the frame but as to whether the wall is perfectly flat like a stretched fabric on a frame would be . One could indeed project a rectangle (the 16/90 one generated by the chips on a wall and simply measure the top and bottom and the sides getting them the same Top and bottom of cpurse longer than the sides and even measure with a protractoe to get 90 degrees without having a frame to mimic. But unless the wall is flat and most aren't, the focus could be off.

Yes. Even if the wall is perfectly flat and in horizontal and vertical plane, it is very easy to have the projector rotated right or left and or up/down a tiny bit. This makes the image slightly trapezoidal shaped. Some times this can be hard to see on a wall, when there is no frame. If an image is trapezoidal because the projector is rotated slightly right or left, then the middle can be in focus and neither end will be in focus. The same can happen up and down. If rotated slightly to one side and tilted slightly up or down, then all edges will be out of focus if the center is focused.
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