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post #391 of 793
a very lucid post. The biggest variable in the degree of the let's call them errotrs vary accross the screen are do to lens shift and thius are CA and not convergence. The constant error component would be convergence.

The appearance of misconvergence (constant) can be hidden by the misnamed convergence controls which of course do not adjust convergence at all but merely hide convergence errors by scaing the red and blue colors to change there position on the grid (the subpixel adjustments). Full pixel adjustments are done by changing the red and blue timing and are a good thing which no adverse effects. The subpixel adjustments have lots of bad effects which fortunately most are unaware of. a loss of focus and resolution.

A see the mention of 3 feet being offered as a metric as to whether convergence and CA errors are acceptable . What about 4 ft or 5 ft or 6 ft. Anything is rather arbitrary, of course the larger the error, the further away one would have to sit to make the misconvergence and CA not visable to the viewer. What should be your test. Not 3 ft unless that is the distance you normally sit from the screen. The test is whether you see it from your viewing distance. Duh? Its not brain science. If you don't see it, don't worry about it. Hard to accept, but good advice.

M

It also is interesting when you see say green on eitherr side of the primary color of the line, white.Think about this. Is the green misconverged? If the green was shifted to one side of the white, that would be misconvergence and/or CA. The gren of course can not be electronically shift by those mislabeled convergence controls. What does it show. The lens is more tightly focusing the red and the blue.

repeating earlier coments. If you see blue convergence error close up. Just ignore it. It won't be visable to your eyes at normal viewing distances. Be happy. If you can't be happy, get a single chip DLP projector and never worry about convergence because there is nothing to converge, it takes two or more chips before anything can be converged.

seriously, the JVCs and any projector have let's call them faults which lead to less thsan pefect test patterns. Just like anything, the JVC panels have design limitations and the lens has certain tolerances which like any lens can be observed. Mainly the problem with the JVCs lies with the panels. They are great in someways, not so great in others.

But these on balance are very fine projectors that one should be quite happy with if one just watches normally and not worry about photos of cse up test patterns. Enjoiy your very fine JVCs.
post #392 of 793
I am using Natural at 6500k with color space at Normal. Wide I found too vibrant.

Lens opening is at -7, projector is 17 feet from Seymour AT screen that is 47"x110" wide at 2.35 aspect ratio.

Noticed the color temp green push on Loopers - and then I started looking at various movies including B&W and test patterns. I have Video Essentials, Digital V E, Avia and Disney WOW - they all show too much green.

I am thinking of Spectracal 5 control bundle with meter for calibration purposes.

But I thought these projectors were closer to being properly calibrated out of the box.

Tom
post #393 of 793
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Originally Posted by sullivt5 View Post

Hi All,

I have just installed the 46 in my room this past Friday and after watching 5 or 6 movies I am noticing flickering on low lamp mode if I bump to high lamp it goes away but the thing I dont understand is when I go back to low lamp the flicker is gone for about 10 or 15 minutes then it slowly comes back. I have a completely light controled room and the image looks great and is bright but it just flickers. Do I have a bad lamp or something more serious?

Thanks
I m on my thrid X35 now and again it has the mildly lamp flickering issue. I don t understand why there aren t any more reports about this problem.......
post #394 of 793
If it works fine with no flicker in high lamp I would run it on high lamp then
post #395 of 793
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Originally Posted by Tamas View Post

I am using Natural at 6500k with color space at Normal. Wide I found too vibrant.

Lens opening is at -7, projector is 17 feet from Seymour AT screen that is 47"x110" wide at 2.35 aspect ratio.

Noticed the color temp green push on Loopers - and then I started looking at various movies including B&W and test patterns. I have Video Essentials, Digital V E, Avia and Disney WOW - they all show too much green.

I am thinking of Spectracal 5 control bundle with meter for calibration purposes.

But I thought these projectors were closer to being properly calibrated out of the box.

Tom

Unless you have a video processor with CMS controls I don't think Spectracal will really do you any good since the JVC you have does't have a CMS to work with.

I think I have that correct....
post #396 of 793
My projector showed up today!!!

post #397 of 793
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Originally Posted by kaotikr1 View Post

My projector showed up today!!!


You did not tell me you had a 46 on the way.........NICE! cool.gif Enjoy! I have absolutely loved my 40/45 for 2d.
post #398 of 793
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Originally Posted by edfowler View Post

If it works fine with no flicker in high lamp I would run it on high lamp then
not an option. It s a freakin plane when running it in high lamp mode.
post #399 of 793
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Originally Posted by kaotikr1 View Post

Unless you have a video processor with CMS controls I don't think Spectracal will really do you any good since the JVC you have does't have a CMS to work with.

I think I have that correct....

True, but this will enable him to accurately calibrate the greyscale and gamma which should mean that the colour gamut isn't too far off in Standard mode.

I don't know if using 'Natural' mode makes any difference over just setting up a 'User' preset, but the 6500/7000K setting (I found that 6500K measured too warm on mine), 2.2/2.3 custom gamma and Standard colour space wasn't that far out on mine. Of course calibration brought it completely upto scratch (using a Mini3D for CMS and autocal), but it wasn't that bad to start with (especially compared to my old HD350 before it was calibrated with the Lumgen).
post #400 of 793
I'm fine tuning my Harmony remote programming for the RS46. Though I could probably figure this out by trial and error, someone here may already have the answer to my question. Does anyone know how long the RS46 needs to be on before it will accept a remote command to change inputs? The Harmony standard delay must be too short because the RS46 remains on the last input even when the program calls for a change in input.

So far I am very impressed by the RS46. Even using zoom to fill a 2.35 screen this thing is a light cannon, with a very sharp image and great colors.
post #401 of 793
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Originally Posted by kaotikr1 View Post

My projector showed up today!!!

You have streaking?
I will soon buy X35 I hope everything will be OK.smile.gif
post #402 of 793
Has anyone tested the Monoprice bluetooth glasses with the JVC emitter?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10909&cs_id=1090902&p_id=9460&seq=1&format=4#feedback

Only 2 reviews so far on their site, but first one says not working with Panasonic plasma.

Thanks all!
post #403 of 793
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Originally Posted by szepi0808 View Post

You have streaking?
I will soon buy X35 I hope everything will be OK.smile.gif

Nope, mine looks really sharp and crisp.
post #404 of 793
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results."

Seriously, you have got to let this go. You've had the same issue on two projectors. It's completely invisible from a normal viewing distance and on normal content. JVC themselves told you that they can't guarantee you a projector without this "issue." Other people have reported the same issue on the same projector, higher-tier projectors, and prior-year projectors. You're clogging up this thread with this nonsense. And now you're actually going to buy yet another X35 thinking it won't have this streaking...which, incidentally, you can't see without your nose on the screen? Just wow. JVC was smart to wash their hands of you. Some customers aren't worth the trouble.

Where's Mark Haflich when you need him?
Edited by Schwa - 1/18/13 at 8:03am
post #405 of 793
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Originally Posted by kaotikr1 View Post

Nope, mine looks really sharp and crisp.
Good. He's crazy for even asking you if you have the streaking. Your image can look extremely sharp and crisp and still have streaking. It's a simple lens anomaly that you can't see without your nose pressed to the screen. A total non-issue.
post #406 of 793
My 46 has had trouble responding to the power on to the remote or projector. I've had to unplug it to power on. No problem powering off. Has happened 5 times now. Very annoying.
post #407 of 793
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Originally Posted by tigerfan33 View Post

My 46 has had trouble responding to the power on to the remote or projector. I've had to unplug it to power on. No problem powering off. Has happened 5 times now. Very annoying.

I've not noticed this issue with mine. I use a Harmony Touch and I haven't had an issue with power on/off.
post #408 of 793
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Originally Posted by kaotikr1 View Post

Nope, mine looks really sharp and crisp.
Thank you for your feedback.smile.gif
post #409 of 793
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Originally Posted by tigerfan33 View Post

My 46 has had trouble responding to the power on to the remote or projector. I've had to unplug it to power on. No problem powering off. Has happened 5 times now. Very annoying.
Last night I was going to sit down and watch a flick and my X35 exhibited this problem. I used my Harmony 900 remote to power on everything and the projector went to the green on led. He weird thing is I got no image but yet the very bottom of the screen showed about 2 inches of the focus pattern briefly but then went away and I could not get any response from even the JVC remote. I couldn't bring up the menu or anything. I eventually had to unplug it and then today it fired up no problem.

I have make arrangements for the new 3d update so I will be letting my JVC Canada service contact know about this issue before I send it away.
Ron
post #410 of 793
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Originally Posted by Ronzai View Post

Last night I was going to sit down and watch a flick and my X35 exhibited this problem. I used my Harmony 900 remote to power on everything and the projector went to the green on led. He weird thing is I got no image but yet the very bottom of the screen showed about 2 inches of the focus pattern briefly but then went away and I could not get any response from even the JVC remote. I couldn't bring up the menu or anything. I eventually had to unplug it and then today it fired up no problem.

I have make arrangements for the new 3d update so I will be letting my JVC Canada service contact know about this issue before I send it away.
Ron

Hello.

My X30 with the lastest firmware (29.058) had this problem (displaying of 2 inches of the focus pattern briefly). Sometimes I had to wait for a couple of minutes before to be able to use the original remote. With RS232 the commands were effective immediately and it's why I decided to command it only through RS232 (NEVO remote with nevo connect),

My new X35 has the same behaviour (displaying of 2 inches of the focus pattern briefly)(firmware 29.001) but I command it only by RS232 so I can't tell you if the remote control works well when the problem occurs (it seems that it doesn't according to your report).

But when I owned the X30, I found a method to avoid displaying of 2 inches of the focus pattern. If I didn't use the remote control just after a resolution changing (while about 10s) then I was able to command the X30 without any problem.

I think that JVC is not aware and I suppose that a new firmware might fix this.

Regards
post #411 of 793
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Originally Posted by alex_t View Post

Hello.

My X30 with the lastest firmware (29.058) had this problem (displaying of 2 inches of the focus pattern briefly). Sometimes I had to wait for a couple of minutes before to be able to use the original remote. With RS232 the commands were effective immediately and it's why I decided to command it only through RS232 (NEVO remote with nevo connect),

My new X35 has the same behaviour (displaying of 2 inches of the focus pattern briefly)(firmware 29.001) but I command it only by RS232 so I can't tell you if the remote control works well when the problem occurs (it seems that it doesn't according to your report).

But when I owned the X30, I found a method to avoid displaying of 2 inches of the focus pattern. If I didn't use the remote control just after a resolution changing (while about 10s) then I was able to command the X30 without any problem.

I think that JVC is not aware and I suppose that a new firmware might fix this.

Regards

Mine was working just fine but all of he sudden this weekend it started the behavior and it would not respond to even the JVC remote. No matter how long I waited nothing would come on screen. I have started the arrangements for the new 3d switcher update but I will let them know about this startup issue before I send it away.

Ron
post #412 of 793
Just received my JVC as well and got it set up last night.......convergence is great, contrast is outstanding.....my wife asked me if it was supposed to look like that! So far I'm impressed but do have one question regarding the sharpness of the unit. Using the Seymour AT screen, throw distance is roughly about 15 feet, everything is aligned properly etc. I'm a little concerned about the sharpness of the unit.......I'm coming from an old Epson 1080 on its last leg and while the colors, contrast, etc are light years ahead, the sharpness doesn't seem to be there. When I use the focus, I really can't get the text to focus as as sharply as I would have expected (my sharpness control is at the zero setting). I went into the service menu to take a look at the convergence patterns and the red/blue are spot on yet the green (along with the green grid in the focus menu) seems to be fairly fuzzy throughout the majority of the screen (it does seem to be better toward the top however) I've seen many screen shots of folks with JVCs, including some shots with text and mine doesn't seem to be close to as sharp as some of the pics I've seen. Am I missing anything in the menu that would help this or could I possibly have a poorly focused unit? Since I haven't had much experience with projectors in the last 6 years, I'm not sure if I'm expecting too much. I did really expect it to be sharper than a 6 year old Epson with an old bulb. Anyone have any thoughts?????
post #413 of 793
Has anyone tried the Monstervision 3D glasses with this projector? I'm very tempted to go that route, much cheaper than JVC glasses.
post #414 of 793
I'm not sure what to search for here; however I wondered if anyone had video or comments on how long it takes to change from 2.35 to 16:9 and vice versa. Does it still just record your lens movements and 'replay' them?
post #415 of 793
Note sure between 16:9 and 2.35:1 but I use the lens memory to change between using my A lens for 2.35:1 and have to zoom slightly for non lens 1.85:1 content and it takes maybe 15-20 seconds, but I'll time it next time it's on and I'll set up a zoomed 2.35:1 and time that change too.
post #416 of 793
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Originally Posted by pauleyc View Post

I'm not sure what to search for here; however I wondered if anyone had video or comments on how long it takes to change from 2.35 to 16:9 and vice versa. Does it still just record your lens movements and 'replay' them?
I doubt it would do that. Since the starting point of the lens could be anywhere, simply replaying your lens movements would lead to unpredictable and non-repeatable final lens positions.
post #417 of 793
Well, my 1 chip 720p Samsung 710 dies last weekend, and although i was nearly ready to order an Acer 9500 I today sprang for the RS46 from AV Science. Yeah! I have a nice mancave HT so I'm sure i will be able to take full advantage of its great 2D capabilities (I am immune to 3D somehow; slight lazy eye and I guess 5% of us suffer from no ability to discern 3D well enough). I am an avid audiophile and heeded my own audio advice to evaluate in one's own system! So.....AV Science has their 4 lamp hour eval time, and I'd like to be able to set this up and make any rough setting changes to make sure I like it within that timeframe. I have printed off Kelvin1965S's nice setting comments from about a month ago (12/14 post) but was wondering if there is any other detailed setup tips or settings document out there. Thanks
Ted
post #418 of 793
Congratulations on your purchase Ted_B. smile.gif Just try those settings that you've already printed off and then wait until you have some hours on the lamp and calibrate properly: There are no magic settings you can find on the web: even mine may be off for your example and room, so they are just a starting point. I found that 6500K measured too warm so 7000K would have been a better first 'guess' but then I calibrated using a custom colour temp anyway.
post #419 of 793
Thanks. Will do. UPS email says it will be here Monday. smile.gif

I have a telescopic Chief pole for my ceiling mount. Stupid question but the manual is very vague here: where is the perfect spot where no vertical lens shift is required on an inverted ceiling mounted RS46 (i.e lined up with top of screen or what I would expect..i.e. center of screen)? And will any level of vertical shift hurt me theoretically (other than reduce horiz shift min-max, which I shouldn't need anyway). ? Thanks
post #420 of 793
Well cue some people saying that you shouldn't use any lens shift at all, but unless you're at a very short throw I honestly don't think it's as critical as some seem to make out. wink.gif I think it's generally agreed not to use horizontal shift but if it's level with the top of the screen and the right way up like mine it is still as sharp as when dead centre as far as I can tell (long throw setup though). If it's inverted I don't know if this would result in more or less shift than I have, my feeling is probably less, so at least the nay sayers should be happy. smile.gif
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