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post #31 of 137
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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post


Initially had some issues with my 6010, mainly with 3D sources, but here are some things to try ...

Good stuff, thanks. I've turned off all the video enhancements everywhere, don't have any < 6 foot HDMI runs, upgraded to Redmere on the run to the projector. Oddly, most of my hiccups have come when simply playing off the 722k and not the BluRay player.

I think the 4x2 Matrix Switch I was using was part of the problem. I've gone down to a simpler (and probably better quality) 1x2 HDMI Splitter as part of the work around. I am changing enough things simultaneously that I can't be positive what changes helped most, but last night was stable for the first time in a while.

If that stays the case, I'll drop the Darblet back in and see if things stay happy.

Thanks.
post #32 of 137
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Originally Posted by mogrub View Post

This is cool, Jeff Meier's blog post based on his calibration of my Epson 6020 a couple of weeks ago. The best LCD projector he has ever seen? Wow. That's got to make you 6020 owners happy. I had to stick this on the thread.


I had the opportunity to work on an Epson 6020UB projector today. I have to say this is the best LCD projector I have seen to date. It was reasonably sharp and was capable of very good color and light output.

With 90 hours on the lamp it output a little over 500 lumens at D65 white point on the ECO setting at about a 2.7 throw ratio. This is excellent for a machine of this class. The sound level was low on ECO, but pretty loud on high lamp.

After some adjustment it could come very close to Rec. 709 color and gamma performance.

The panel alignment from the factory was very poor. The user menu does have considerable adjustments for this that corrected the problem very well such that it was sharper than a Sony VPL-HW50ES that I worked on recently.

3D had a very slight amount of ghosting, but in general was excellent for a product in this price category.

Motion handling with this product also looked very good when adjusted properly.

Black levels and ANSI contrast with the auto iris off were excellent.

All in all I would highly recommend this product to anyone considering a front projector under $4,000 that can live with less sharpness than a DLP and better blacks than DLP.

http://homecinemaguru.com/?p=3743
post #33 of 137
FedEx tracking is showing my 6020 will be available for pickup today.

The theater and lobby are not completely finished yet, but this is the last piece of the electronics puzzle.

I can barely stand it. LOL
post #34 of 137
PIcked one up as an exchange on a 9700 UB.... WOW, substantially brighter. I am in the same boat with theater room as I am process of moving, so just projecting onto a white wall. I have a 106" Elunevision Reference Studio screen waiting to be put up at the new place and I'm wondering just how much better that will be. I know this must sound incredibly noob, but it looks prettier dang good just on the wall. Been watching the playoffs and looks pretty good. Just for giggles threw on Wreck it Ralph in 3D.... very little pop out, but even my wife commented on how surprising the depth of picture was. Can't wait to get this thing into new theater room and calibrated.
post #35 of 137
Consider the Darbee if you can swing it. Nice improvement on my 6010. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet
post #36 of 137
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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post

Consider the Darbee if you can swing it. Nice improvement on my 6010. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet

how would you describe the improvement ? I have heard this now from a few of the people who nudged me towards getting a PJ in the first place, but everyione just says to get one without quantifying what the improvement is.
post #37 of 137
Easiest way is to compare the difference to someone that needs reading glasses. Take them off, and put them on. The difference is almost that much. Sharper/tighter focused looking image. Lots of images you can search for in the Darbee thread that can give you a rough idea. Costs you the shipping if you return it. Not much risk if you buy from AVS here.
post #38 of 137
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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post

Easiest way is to compare the difference to someone that needs reading glasses. Take them off, and put them on. The difference is almost that much. Sharper/tighter focused looking image. Lots of images you can search for in the Darbee thread that can give you a rough idea. Costs you the shipping if you return it. Not much risk if you buy from AVS here.

I have checked out some of the photo's on the Darblet thread, but they are all zoomed, and while I do see differences, I haven't seen anything in the photos of the darblet thread all that compelling. That being said, I think that a photo is probably not going to recreate the actual experience. I do have the thread bookmarked, and I have been popping in from time to time. Its just nice to hear the results from someone who has same PJ, what their thoughts are on the difference in picture quality. Thanks for the response.
post #39 of 137
Question on air conditioner.
I will install my projector in the ceiling near an air conditioner spit cassette 52000 btus, also in the ceiling. I'm worried if the cold air entering the projector could do any harm to the hot lamp. Since the projector has it's own ventilation system I believe that it will be ok. But not sure. Any opinion ?
post #40 of 137
FedEx delivered my 6020 last night. Here are some of my first impressions.

1. The box was huge! I drive a mid-sized sedan and it barely fit inside the back door. I had it delivered to a FedEx location since they needed a signature. Perhaps it would have been better to have it delivered to my home.

2. The projector is huge. I've had two projectors before this. A Mitisubishi and an Acer (Both were DLPs). This has to be 2 or 3 times their size.

3. The cable cover for the back of the projector is awesome! I really didn't know what to expect until I saw it. I guess I thought it would be some kind of cable wrap and not a plastic cover that attaches to the back of the projector.

4. The auto lens cap is cool.

5. The mount is great. I chose not to install with the small extension pipe. The quality is top notch and black to match the projector. Easy to install. Install instructions not so good. I love the option to lock the projector in place with a key. Easy to adjust Roll, Pitch and Yaw. It would have been nice to have screws to mount to the ceiling. Luckily, I had some already.

6. When I first turned on my projector, the manual lens shift was not even close to centered. It took awhile to figure out how to adjust this versus moving the ceiling mount.

7. Would be better if a gravity switch would detect ceiling mount. It was difficult to read upside down to change this setting.

8. I was only able to watch a few scenes for 45 minutes. I only did some adjusting to brightness, contrast and auto iris. Blacks look good, but not great yet. I'm hopful that more tweaking will improve greatly. Picture looks great. Some say that sharpness on LCD is not as good as DLP. I've only had DLP and it did seem that sharpness was not quite as good. Again, I hope with adjustments, this will improve.


I'm sure I'll spend a few hours in the theater tonight.
Does anyone have any opinions on early setup settings or features?
post #41 of 137
Just a little Atta-Boy to Jason at Integrated Tech Solutions, who sold me my 6020. They are located in New Jersey and are very knowledgeable, friendly and great price. They are an Epson dealer and can be confirmed at the Epson website.

Thanks Jason!
post #42 of 137
my new toy. smile.gif




And a little dry test of the A lens

post #43 of 137
Can you buy the 6020 online anywhere? thanks
post #44 of 137
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Originally Posted by dholmes54 View Post

Can you buy the 6020 online anywhere? thanks

Find a dealer near you and see if they'll ship. Some will. http://epsonhomeentertainment.webengager.com/
post #45 of 137
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Originally Posted by dholmes54 View Post

Can you buy the 6020 online anywhere? thanks

Talk to Jason at Integrated Tech Solutions. I bought my 6020 from him.

http://integratedtechsolutions.com/
post #46 of 137
thanks everyone how would the 6020 compare to my panasonic pt-ae4000u?
post #47 of 137
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Originally Posted by dholmes54 View Post

thanks everyone how would the 6020 compare to my panasonic pt-ae4000u?

Check out this article. The 5020 is basically the same projector as the 6020, but without all of the extras.
I'm not sure what's different about the 4000 vs the 8000.
Hopefully this helps.

I've had my 6020 only for a couple of days now and so far I like it. I still have a lot of adjusting to do. Blacks are really good. When the screen goes between commercials to a black screen, the whole room goes dark and you can barely tell the projector is even on.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/projectors/pt-ae8000_vs_hc5020/bottomline.php
post #48 of 137
thanks
post #49 of 137
It is on the louder side but not as loud people make it out to be, but most of the ones I install people run them in econ mode and they are one of the quietest projectors since it cuts the fan. but if you can put a box on it that is never a bad idea with any projector.
post #50 of 137
I'd like to comment on the loudness of the 6020.

My last two projectors were a Mitsubishi 720P and an Acer 1080P. Both were mounted on the ceiling slightly behind my seating position. I have my 6020 in the same location (but in a different theater). I have mainly kept my 6020 on ECO and this is the most quiet projector of the three. The Acer had an auto iris that was slow and very noisey. So much so, I turned it off and never used it again. The 6020 also has an auto iris, except it is very quick and very silent. It is a world of difference. The black levels are so good, the auto iris doesn't seem to add a whole lot more.



I had a question on 2D to 3D. I decided to try this out and it seemed to totally fail. Not only was it not in 3D, but even with the glasses on, I could see the double images. Has anyone had this feature work for them? I feel like it's a novelty and I probably wouldn't use it, but I was curious.

I tried out the 3D for the first time a few days ago. I've never had 3D at home before, but I was very impressed. The glasses are comfortable. Be sure to do a proper adjustment. When I first tried it, it was uncomfortable to watch. When I got into the menu, I adjusted the screen size and WOW...what a difference. I noticed some "shadows" in areas that have black and white together (like subtitles). It was like I could see a faint image offset. Is this what people call ghosting? It seemed to be minimal and what I see when I watch 3D at a full sized theater.


Remember...I've only had my 6020 for less than a week...grain of salt.
post #51 of 137
I just ordered a pair of Valueview brand 3D glasses for my 6020. They look nice and are rechargeable. The ad on Ebay says they are compatible with Samsung TVs. I figure if they are and we can use Samsung glasses with our Epsons, then they should work.
The same seller is selling another pair that are for Panasonics. The Panasonic ad says they are RF and the Samsung ad says they are Bluetooth. The model number listed on the different ads are identical except for one number. Our owners manual says our glasses are RF.

I couldn't find much online about this brand. I did find a press release that they just launched a couple of weeks ago.

One pair of glasses
Pouch
USB Cable

Shipped for $25.


I'll give a quick review next week when I receive them. I hope they work with Epson projectors.
Edited by JeffreyJonesBSME - 6/5/13 at 10:40am
post #52 of 137
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Originally Posted by JeffreyJonesBSME View Post

I just ordered a pair of Valueview brand 3D glasses for my 6020. They look nice and are rechargeable. The ad on Ebay says they are compatible with Samsung TVs. I figure if they are and we can use Samsung glasses with our Epsons, then they should work.
The same seller is selling another pair that are for Panasonics. The Panasonic ad says they are RF and the Samsung ad says they are Bluetooth. The model number listed on the different ads are identical except for one number. Our owners manual says our glasses are RF.

I couldn't find much online about this brand. I did find a press release that they just launch a couple of weeks ago.

One pair of glasses
Pouch
USB Cable

Shipped for $25.


I'll give a quick review next week when I receive them. I hope they work with Epson projectors.

It will be interesting to see your review of the Valueview 3D glasses. These cost about 45% more than the genuine Samsung glasses when shipping costs are included (comparing eBay prices with their $3.95 shipping with the Amazon price for the Samsung glasses which have free shipping). the two areas the Samsung glasses have been criticized for are they do not block light from the sides (it appears the Valueview glases will have this same limitation) and the Samsung glasses don't seem all that sturdy.
post #53 of 137
Is there a cheaper Samsung version that is rechargeable? If so, I haven't seen them. I felt that the rechargeable feature was worth a few extra bucks.

I've seen the SSG-5100GBs on Amazon. They are $19 plus shipping, unless you have Amazon Prime.
post #54 of 137
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Originally Posted by JeffreyJonesBSME View Post

Is there a cheaper Samsung version that is rechargeable? If so, I haven't seen them. I felt that the rechargeable feature was worth a few extra bucks.

I've seen the SSG-5100GBs on Amazon. They are $19 plus shipping, unless you have Amazon Prime.

The Samsung glasses do not have rechargable batteries but the Amazon prices (HERE) include free supersaver shipping with orders over $25 (e.g., 2 pairs of glasses). They also sell the required CR2025 batteries in bulk for less than $0.50 per battery. But if you want glasses with rechargeable batteries then the Valueview may be a reasonable alternative. Let us know how well they perform.


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Edited by Ron Jones - 5/16/13 at 12:16pm
post #55 of 137
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Originally Posted by JeffreyJonesBSME View Post

I'd like to comment on the loudness of the 6020 ... My last two projectors were a Mitsubishi 720P and an Acer 1080P. My 6020 on ECO ... is the most quiet projector of the three.

I had a question on 2D to 3D. I decided to try this out and it seemed to totally fail. Not only was it not in 3D, but even with the glasses on, I could see the double images. Has anyone had this feature work for them? I feel like it's a novelty and I probably wouldn't use it, but I was curious.

I agree with you that the 6020 running in ECO is extremely quiet. For the vast majority of owners, it will be either a non-issue, or an affirmative "plus" as you see it. Fan noise was a significant pre-purchase research issue for me, and the Epson's real world performance has exceeded my expectations.

When watching 3D programming, fan speed does increase. Even then, it is not a distraction or problem for me. It might be for some, but again, I think for the vast majority, it will be a non-issue.

On the 2D to 3D conversion question you asked, yes, we did that once briefly, and yes did get the 3D effect. Obviously, that conversion is a more subtle 3D effect than watching native 3D content like Avatar or something like that. But yes, it was there.

For me, as much as I do enjoy 3D content, I have never been a big fan of 2D to 3D conversion on any 3D television I've watched so far. We owned a 65" Panny 3D plasma before going to a projector, and we tried a bunch of 2D to 3D viewing with the Panny. At the end of the day, I usually find the conversion more of a distraction than an actual enhancement, even on programming I expected to benefit from the change, like the Lord of the Rings movies. I'm sure that's nothing more than personal preference and not worth a grain of salt.

But to answer your question, yes we can see the 2D to 3D conversion effect on the Epson, and we thought the Epson performed well in that mode. It was at least the equal of the Panasonic plasma. I think the 3D effect of the Epson when rendering true 3D content eclipses the Panasonic plasma, and I thought the Panny did great to begin with. Just IMHO.
post #56 of 137
The 2d-3d conversion isn't to bad on animated stuff, but mostly only adding depth to the images, not 3d pop out, which is understandable. I did like the effect on the 2d version of Hugo and ran the darby at full pop, to help with the illusion. Other non-animated content doesn't fair as well to me, even sports, but some mentioned they liked the effect on some pro basketball games? I think I've seen one person post that the noise was an issue for them, even on eco mode. I think it's pretty quiet.
post #57 of 137
Checking in here... new 6020 arrives tomorrow! Looking forward to playing around with 3D and pissing my wife off with endless color setting changes.
If you know anyone looking for a 9700UB with only 1000 hours on it (plus an extra lamp) let me know smile.gif
post #58 of 137
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Looking forward to ... pissing my wife off with endless color setting changes.

Nice. Drives my wife completely nuts too. But now, after UMR, I don't touch a thing. smile.gif
post #59 of 137
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Originally Posted by dholmes54 View Post

thanks everyone how would the 6020 compare to my panasonic pt-ae4000u?

not even in the same league
not even the PT8000 can match the epson
post #60 of 137
Epson 3D RF Glasses: Another Option

Recently, I became aware of a new brand of rechargeable 3D glasses. Dimensional Optics (DO) is offering a variety of glasses, but they have not tested them with Epson products. Because DO states that their glasses are compatible with Samsung and I read that Epson users have found Samsung glasses compatible with Epson products…it seems that DO should be compatible with Epson. Do you remember in Algebra, the Transitive Property of Equality? It states that if a = b and b = c, then a = c.
So I decided to contact DO about testing their glasses with my Epson 6020 projector. The President/CEO of DO, Steve McArthur, contacted me and expressed a desire to have me test their glasses and sent me two different models.

Valueview Glasses (About $25)

3Active Glasses (About $50)

Both are for sale at Amazon.com, Ebay.com and Dimensionoptics.com. I have not seen them for sale anywhere else.

I’ve seen lots of Epson owners asking about less expensive options with 3D glasses. I was fairly excited to have this opportunity to try these out for the first time with my Epson 6020 RF projector.


Here is what Mr. McArthur had to say about these 3D glasses.

“First, our new ValueView™ low-cost 3D products work with Samsung, Panasonic and Sharp RF televisions. In effect, they are essentially the same product and have identical internal circuitry and chipsets. The chipsets have been programmed for all three brands – we have not tested them, however, with any Epson 3D projector products. So, we’ll ship you one of those.”

“ValueView™ is our practical quality product line. ValueView is intended to compete directly with the low-cost, non-rechargeable, cheaply constructed, 3D glasses currently produced by Samsung (SSG-5100GB and SSG-4100GB) that retail for $19.99.”

“As an example, ValueView is fully rechargeable and comes with a storage pouch and USB charging cable. The LCD lenses and associated functionality has been engineered to be better than what Samsung is providing to the consumer. We sell our rechargeable glasses for the same price that they sell their battery powered products. “

“3ACTIVE® is our premium quality product line. The product is rechargeable, full framed, and includes premium LCD lenses, upgraded internal components, a protective storage case, microfiber cleaning cloth and USB charging cable.”

“Both products will auto-sleep upon losing an RF signal.”

“We have programmed the internal chipsets with multiple frequencies such that the devices will operate with multiple brands of 3D televisions. We market the glasses, however, as brand-specific.”





Here are my opinions on my Epson 3D glasses, the Valueview and the 3Active glasses.


Testing: Epson 3D Glasses (Model V12H548006)
Scale: 1-5 (1 = poor, 5 = superior)





Did it link with Epson 6020 Projector: Yes

On/Off switch: Yes

Ease of linking: 4. Turn power switch on. Press linking button. I rated this with a 4 because of the extra step of turning the power switch to the on position.

Connection Quality (Tested around 23’ x 15’ theater): 5. Did not lose connection anywhere in the theater.

Connection Type: RF

Weight (by feel): 4. These are a medium weighted pair of glasses. I do not believe they are too heavy.

Comfort: 4. These feel light and comfortable on the bridge of your nose. Rating of 4 due to the slightly heavier feel. Glasses arm pressure to head is perfect.

Color/Darkness of lenses: Slight tint. Normal for all 3D glasses.

Side shielding: Medium amount.
I found that in a light controlled environment, there is not a need for side shields. I did not test in a lighted environment.

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (stationary): 5

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (panning side to side): 5

Color/Brightness change (panning side to side): None

Rechargeable: Yes

Battery life: Unknown at this time.

Included Case: None were included with my Epson 6020. Includes charging cable.

Price: High. $99

Comments: These glasses are very nice. They feel comfortable on my nose and the pressure on my head is minimal. You need to remember to shut the on/off switch off. Priced very high in my opinion.





Testing: Dimensional Optics 3D Glasses (Model Valueview)
Scale: 1-5 (1 = poor, 5 = superior)






Did it link with Epson 6020 Projector: Yes

On/Off switch: No, but will automatically shut down when it does not sense an RF signal.

Ease of linking: 5. Press linking button.

Connection Quality (Tested around 23’ x 15’ theater): 5. Did not lose connection anywhere in the theater.

Connection Type: RF

Weight (by feel): 5. These a super light!

Comfort: 5. These feel light and comfortable on the bridge of your nose. Rating of 5 due to being the lightest glasses I’ve tried so far. Glasses arm pressure to head is perfect.

Color/Darkness of lenses: Slight tint. Normal for all 3D glasses.

Side shielding: Zero amount.
I found that in a light controlled environment, there is not a need for side shields. I did not test in a lighted environment.

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (stationary): 5

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (panning side to side): 5

Color/Brightness change (panning side to side): None

Rechargeable: Yes

Battery life: Unknown at this time.

Included Case: Soft leather-like squeeze pouch. Includes charging cable. Very basic but adequate.

Price: Very Low. About $25 on Ebay and Amazon




Testing: Dimensional Optics 3D Glasses (Model 3Active)
Scale: 1-5 (1 = poor, 5 = superior)





Did it link with Epson 6020 Projector: Yes

On/Off switch: No, but will automatically shut down when it does not sense an RF signal.

Ease of linking: 5. Press linking button.

Connection Quality (Tested around 23’ x 15’ theater): 5. Did not lose connection anywhere in the theater.

Connection Type: RF

Weight (by feel): 4. These feel sturdy but also a little heavy at the same time.

Comfort: 3. They are comfortable on the bridge of your nose. Glasses arm pressure to head is a little tight.


Color/Darkness of lenses: Slight tint. Normal for all 3D glasses.

Side shielding: High amount.
I found that in a light controlled environment, there is not a need for side shields. I did not test in a lighted environment.

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (stationary): 4. Only minimally noticeable. I did not try and adjust my projector to correct this, since other glasses worked perfectly at the same settings.

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (panning side to side): 3. More noticeable while panning. I did not try and adjust my projector to correct this, since other glasses worked perfectly at the same settings.

Color/Brightness change (panning side to side): Some but only slight. Most will not notice this.

Rechargeable: Yes

Battery life: Unknown at this time.

Included Case: Very sturdy cloth-like covered hard case. Very nice. Includes microfiber cleaning cloth and charging cable. The case has pockets for charging cable storage.

Price: Medium. About $50 on Ebay and Amazon



Summary:
The Epson glasses are very nice glasses. My biggest complaint is the price.
The 3Active glasses seem built very well. I’d say they feel sturdier than the Epson brand glasses. If you are concerned about kids being rough on your glasses, these may be your best choice. They perform well, but not absolutely perfectly.
The Valueview glasses are my preferred choice. They are very light and comfortable. They perform flawlessly with my Epson RF projector and the price point is amazing. At $25 per pair, being rechargeable and very comfortable to wear, I’ll be buying more of these.
Edited by JeffreyJonesBSME - 6/5/13 at 10:25am
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