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post #601 of 750
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

It would have had to have been a regular cell phone, which would have likely worked fine in that shallow grave.

...wonder why they didn't take the opportunity to slip in an in-show product endorsement right at that moment?...the cell carrier that is robust enough to penetrate a shallow grave when your life depends on it! Can you hear me now? biggrin.gif
post #602 of 750
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I think we remember '24' with rose-colored neurons, for the most part. I remember pages of criticism of how easily their headquarters (what was it called?) was broken into and infiltrated. Everybody there got gassed, blown-up, attacked by mercenaries, etc. on a regular basis. The redshirts got dispatched just as easily as in this show. But there was a reservoir of goodwill built up toward Jack Bauer being the ultimate badass, that most of that stuff could be forgiven. Still, the show outstayed it's welcome by a couple of years at least and by the end nobody was particularly sad to see it go.

It's really tough to do a show like this, especially on a network schedule. After awhile, viewers tend to become inoculated by all the narrow escapes, red herrings, and endless cliffhangers.

Yeah, you're right .. and I think it was CTU (I did not look that up .. smile.gif ) .. I should have qualified my statement on "The Following" by mentioning that it was some of the simple things like the lack of use of bulletproof vests...

And I think Sutherland with his breathy delivery and urgency was better suited than Bacon maybe ..
post #603 of 750
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Yeah, you're right .. and I think it was CTU (I did not look that up .. smile.gif )

CTU, of course! It's a sign of how long the show has been off that I couldn't even remember that. redface.gif
post #604 of 750
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...wonder why they didn't take the opportunity to slip in an in-show product endorsement right at that moment?...the cell carrier that is robust enough to penetrate a shallow grave when your life depends on it! Can you hear me now? biggrin.gif

... has this ever happened to you? Been kidnapped and buried alive by a psychotic cult with a fetish for Edgar Allan Poe? Well, now the new Samsung Gravedigger ensures you will get a signal no matter how deep they bury you! Call your family and friends to let them know where you are, and browse the internet or play one of 10000 apps while you wait for them to dig you up. Guaranteed battery life to last longer than your oxygen supply!

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post #605 of 750
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I can suspend a lot f disbelief, if I like the characters. I just don't.

 

As I posted previously they take the newsreel or news magazine approach. You get nothing but the story itself. There is basically no character development in which to get invested. On one level it's similar to Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow as it plays to the genre itself.


I don't know, I can't really agree with you.

They've shown how Hardy and Claire's relationship formed. They've shown how Parker's attitude toward cults formed. They've shown background on several of the characters. That's at least an attempt on character development, however feeble. If what you said about characters development in this show (or lack of), I wouldn't have an opinion on them, and wouldn't hate them like I do.

Parker has been caught alone so many times, I was actually rooting for her to die. she was apparently incapable of learning. Dang, I think it's been proven even rats can learn. Maybe if they wrote her character to be developmentally disabled, I would have given her a pass. But as far as I can tell, she is supposed to be not only at a normal I.Q., but in possession of a college degree.

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post #606 of 750
Hated the ending....I wanted Emma to die a horrific death more than I wanted Joe to (of course maybe he didn't either).
post #607 of 750
I don't know how people are even allowing that it is possible that Joe is really dead. That's not the way this genre works. When the writer wants the big bad guy to be dead, he shows the death in an explicit manner. This show revels in that type of thing (within the bounds of continually loosening broadcast standards), and the very fact that we didn't see that means he is still very much alive. If this episode was shot before the renewal announcement (not sure-it was around the same time they were wrapping up) I would bet that one of the filmed endings did show this explicit death, but since the show was renewed they didn't have to use it.

The only possibility for Joe not coming back is if James Purefoy quits the show, but it is extremely unlikely that he isn't already contracted for a second season.
post #608 of 750
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Originally Posted by Jarod M View Post

I don't know how people are even allowing that it is possible that Joe is really dead. That's not the way this genre works. When the writer wants the big bad guy to be dead, he shows the death in an explicit manner. This show revels in that type of thing (within the bounds of continually loosening broadcast standards), and the very fact that we didn't see that means he is still very much alive. If this episode was shot before the renewal announcement (not sure-it was around the same time they were wrapping up) I would bet that one of the filmed endings did show this explicit death, but since the show was renewed they didn't have to use it.

The only possibility for Joe not coming back is if James Purefoy quits the show, but it is extremely unlikely that he isn't already contracted for a second season.

Yeah .. maybe now Joe comes back as a horribly disfigured Two Face style and he's out for even more revenge this time .. eek.gif
post #609 of 750
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Originally Posted by Jarod M View Post

I don't know how people are even allowing that it is possible that Joe is really dead. That's not the way this genre works. When the writer wants the big bad guy to be dead, he shows the death in an explicit manner. This show revels in that type of thing (within the bounds of continually loosening broadcast standards), and the very fact that we didn't see that means he is still very much alive. If this episode was shot before the renewal announcement (not sure-it was around the same time they were wrapping up) I would bet that one of the filmed endings did show this explicit death, but since the show was renewed they didn't have to use it.

The only possibility for Joe not coming back is if James Purefoy quits the show, but it is extremely unlikely that he isn't already contracted for a second season.
Yes, he's definitely alive, the head of the network basically says as much,
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Fox president Kevin Reilly said, “From the very beginning, we felt Kevin Williamson and Marcos Siega had created a high-quality, edge-of-your-seat drama that could break from the pack, and it is exciting to see the audience responding. Kevin Bacon and James Purefoy have given us two of the most compelling characters on television and the entire cast is incredible. I’m delighted to have this thrill ride continue for another season.”

You don't kill off one of the "two most compelling characters on television" and expect the "thrill ride (to)continue".
post #610 of 750
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Yes, he's definitely alive, the head of the network basically says as much,
You don't kill off one of the "two most compelling characters on television" and expect the "thrill ride (to)continue".

Joe is coming Back & he is really pissed off eek.gif
post #611 of 750
Any other way he's coming only on flashbacks, like interviewing his recruits in the prison visit...

If I was the FBI I take a look at that visitor log and arrest everybody in it.. (at the very least investigate/follow them)
post #612 of 750
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Yes, he's definitely alive, the head of the network basically says as much,
You don't kill off one of the "two most compelling characters on television" and expect the "thrill ride (to)continue".

good one .. smile.gif
post #613 of 750
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

good one .. smile.gif
No doubt it was written both ways, one with Joe dying for real and no knifing of Ryan and Claire scene, and the ending we actually got. smile.gif
post #614 of 750
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Joe is coming Back & he is really pissed off eek.gif

You forgot...

AND this time, it's personal!

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post #615 of 750
Since they do so many flashbacks, any chance they just amp up the Joe flashbacks and have him really be dead?
post #616 of 750
No. That would require some creativity something sorely lacking in Kevin Williamson's writing.
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

Any other way he's coming only on flashbacks, like interviewing his recruits in the prison visit...

If I was the FBI I take a look at that visitor log and arrest everybody in it.. (at the very least investigate/follow them)
Oh, but remember-the warden was under The Followers' control for a while. Maybe he destroyed those records. I am remembering some footage of visitors though....but then maybe all those records/footage were only on computer and were deleted by The Folllowers master hacker...or maybe one of the FBI turned out to be a follower and disappeared with the records.

See how they've written this show so that The Followers are capable of almost anything? rolleyes.gif
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It's not a stretch to think a couple of the Followers might even be writers on the show. cool.gif

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Originally Posted by Jarod M View Post

Oh, but remember-the warden was under The Followers' control for a while. Maybe he destroyed those records. I am remembering some footage of visitors though....but then maybe all those records/footage were only on computer and were deleted by The Folllowers master hacker...or maybe one of the FBI turned out to be a follower and disappeared with the records.

See how they've written this show so that The Followers are capable of almost anything? rolleyes.gif

that's the thing: I have no doubt they've figured out a way to have a body standing by with some JDNA (Joe DNA) sprinkled liberally all over it to fool the FBI. Joe will then pop up at some point to declare himself alive - probably through some video sent to Hardy's phone after he thinks he's done with the case.

Of course, the date/time stamp of the file will tell them it was shot after his death and they'll do some sort of zoom/enhancement thing on something in the background which turns out to be a digital clock with the date or a newspaper.

Hardy will immediately try to call Clare, only to have Joe answer the phone.

"Clare can't come to the phone now - she's been sealed up behind a wall somewhere...."
post #620 of 750
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See how they've written this show so that The Followers are capable of almost anything? rolleyes.gif

Except a coherent plan.

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post #621 of 750
Real FBI vindicates the Following's imaginary FBI:

http://m.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/why-did-the-fbi-kill-an-unarmed-man-and-clam-up/276369/

You may have to delete the m at the begining of the link to get to the desktop version.

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post #622 of 750

Surprisingly...

 

The Following can claim bragging rights as the top drama and top freshman show of the 2012-2013 season.

The show ended up tied for ninth (adults 18-49) for the season.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/05/29/complete-list-of-2012-13-season-tv-show-ratings-sunday-night-football-tops-followed-by-the-big-bang-theory-the-voice-modern-family/184774/

post #623 of 750
Those numbers are also not entirely truthful depending on what importance one places on delayed viewings and figures in repeats (or the lack thereof) as part of the equation. Notice that the repeats are listed down in the 170s because they used a Saturday timeslot.

That being said, yes, The Following did good enough in today broadcast world. But its rating fell considerably as the season went on, until picking up some returning viewers for the last couple of episodes. Depending on how that conclusion was received by viewers, The Following could continue to be one of the better performing "new" shows, or drop in "Smash-like" fashion.
post #624 of 750
I told you, this is a good show for a drinking game, those are very popular..
post #625 of 750
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

I told you, this is a good show for a drinking game, those are very popular..

 

Right. Down a shot whenever something stupid happens, then the next day ask people here what happened during in the last half-hour.

post #626 of 750
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

I told you, this is a good show for a drinking game, those are very popular..
I couldn't handle taking that many shots. I'd die of alcohol poisoning.

I'm still rehabbing from the whole "take a drink when Carl isn't in the house" game from season 2 of "The Walking Dead"...
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLTTTTT!!!

post #628 of 750
^^^ Thanks for reminding me of that one...man that was annoying.
post #629 of 750
Indeed it was. biggrin.gif
post #630 of 750
Absolutely ludicrous. Evidently this is part of their Emmy push-
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Characters are not dispatched dispassionately. Explains Siega, "It's always nerve-racking any time we knife someone or shoot someone"
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