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post #121 of 137
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Originally Posted by notnyt View Post

How about the fact they launched a product advertised to eq down to 10hz that was mostly useless below ~30hz? The multiple revisions of the original minidsp to deal with low io voltages? as a whole, they're not that fantastic of a company. At least they did end up sending me the inductors, maybe i'll replace that now.

They're not the only company to have issues like this. Look at DSPeaker. They have award winning products, and while expensive, are generally considered a "good" company, but have had problems with the antimode dual core and it not being able to adequately drive some pro amps. They fixed it, just like miniDSP is trying to do. I'm going to ignore your continued comments about the UMIK, since I've already said multiple times now that I don't disagree that they made a royal mess of that, but still maintain that they make a good product in the miniDSP, at an affordable price. Will every purchase be perfect? No. Will every purchase you make from anywhere be perfect? No.

Emotiva
Amazon
DSPeaker
ETC ETC

You can have a bad experience with any of them and the number of purchases attempted vs the number of bad experiences will completely shift anyone's view of the entire company. Mistakes were made, information wasn't as forthcoming as it probably should have been, people shouldn't have sprinted off with rumors and misinformation quite so quickly, and 100 hundred things in hindsight. Frankly, both company and customer were at fault to some degree and/or in some way.
post #122 of 137
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Originally Posted by fuzz092888 View Post

They're not the only company to have issues like this. Look at DSPeaker. They have award winning products, and while expensive, are generally considered a "good" company, but have had problems with the antimode dual core and it not being able to adequately drive some pro amps. They fixed it, just like miniDSP is trying to do. I'm going to ignore your continued comments about the UMIK, since I've already said multiple times now that I don't disagree that they made a royal mess of that, but still maintain that they make a good product in the miniDSP, at an affordable price. Will every purchase be perfect? No. Will every purchase you make from anywhere be perfect? No.

Emotiva
Amazon
DSPeaker
ETC ETC

You can have a bad experience with any of them and the number of purchases attempted vs the number of bad experiences will completely shift anyone's view of the entire company. Mistakes were made, information wasn't as forthcoming as it probably should have been, people shouldn't have sprinted off with rumors and misinformation quite so quickly, and 100 hundred things in hindsight. Frankly, both company and customer were at fault to some degree and/or in some way.

actually, my comments were about the minidsp units themself. not the umik. Just about every product minidsp has put out has had issues in some form or other. Hopefully they can fix their product, but I wouldn't hold my breath on anything from this company. I had to fight with them to even get them to acknowledge the sampling errors on the 96khz units. Even after, the fix was only half-assed.
post #123 of 137
Yesterday I received my UMIK-1 refund. I had just shipped the old mic back to the company a day or two ago. My Paypal account was credited very quickly eek.gif. I'm very satisfied with the way that miniDSP expedited the refund/recall.

I'll most likely continue to do business with the company.smile.gif
post #124 of 137
I just ordered one of these from CS Labs. Quite excited but a glance over this thread has me worried. Thankfully I'll have the CS Labs cal file to rely on, and my ECM8000 from CS Labs to triple check. As long as it works and connects to my computer without issue redface.gif
post #125 of 137
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

I just ordered one of these from CS Labs. Quite excited but a glance over this thread has me worried. Thankfully I'll have the CS Labs cal file to rely on, and my ECM8000 from CS Labs to triple check. As long as it works and connects to my computer without issue redface.gif

I like that Herb has stopped sending the cal files on a CD, and instead is shipping them on a USB drive. Modern computers often don't have optical drives.

I have no need for a new mike (my CSL-calibrated EMM-6 and Art USB Pre work just fine) but should something happen to mike or mike pre the all-in-one box calibrated is a nice option.
post #126 of 137
Have the problems with the calibration files been fixed yet?
post #127 of 137
I don't know. I would hope so. And the IMD issues too. Both matter to me, even though I'll use the CS Labs cal file, I would feel much more confident knowing both cals were very similar. Then I could be sure the mic was dead on.

I bought it because:

1. USB
2. Has better low end (<20hz) than my ECM8000
3. Two mics are better than one.

So I should still be fine, but would appreciate having a clean and linear mic rather than a mess that is "fixed" by a 3rd party cal.

Either way, another big props to Herb as CS Labs. When I get my mic I'll test some speakers and see how it goes.
post #128 of 137
You must have got the last one from CS labs, they're sold out now.
post #129 of 137
I emailed Herb and he set one aside for me. Living in Canada is expensive for shipping, but my parents in Minnesota are coming in June, so I just ordered it and he hooked me up. Hopefully he'll get them back in stock for other people soon.
post #130 of 137
Yeah I live in Canada too, so I'll probably just get it off minidsp because it's 95 shipped which is less than from CS labs. Just waiting to hear that there are no problems with it before ordering.
post #131 of 137
If the Cal file is good, that's a decent price including shipping. Mine was $99 to Minnesota. But if I didn't have that advantage I'd probably do what you're doing to.
post #132 of 137
Here is a comparison of the calibration files I received with my mic...

Note that CSL does his calibration 5Hz to 25kHz and with three angles of incidence to the microphone. Factory cal would give a more optimistic view of LF response compared to the CSL cal.



post #133 of 137
Anyone have any luck using this with a Macbook? I cant seem to get it working correctly.
post #134 of 137
SXR Dork, that 10hz discrepency is massive. Thanks for posting that. I thought minidsp was calibrating to 5hz. 6db is nothing to sneer at.
post #135 of 137
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

SXR Dork, that 10hz discrepency is massive. Thanks for posting that. I thought minidsp was calibrating to 5hz. 6db is nothing to sneer at.

NP. Last I heard MiniDSP stopped calibrating below 20Hz because someone told them that they couldn't do it without an anechoic chamber.

From the MiniDSP forum, "- Low frequency calibration: Our initial calibration files (SN#700-0000~700-0189) provided by the microphone supplier at the factory were done down to 5Hz. After few investigation and feedback from the field, we realized that achieving accurate calibration data down @ 5hz was just not possible unless done in an anechoic chamber. Reproducing accurate data (from a speaker) at 5Hz just requires an extensive setup. In a factory floor and the quantity we're talking about, it's unfortunately not practical. For this reason, it was decided to remove the data from 5~20Hz from all calibration files. This step was taken in an effort to provide accurate data for future revision and in general no microphone will have data below 20Hz. With this said, we realize that some of you bought this microphone previous to this update to our specifications on the miniDSP website(i.e. Early Feb 2013 ). To clarify a potential misunderstanding, the microphone will still be able to perform measurements down to 5Hz. Nothing changed with that regards. What changed is the fact that the calibration file isn't provided with calibration results down to 5Hz. Hoping this clarifies. For those of you who feel it is an issue, please see below for the possibility of product return."

This is weird because my cal file obviously contains data below 20Hz...

"Sens Factor =-8.4364dB, SERNO: 7000592"
10.054 -7.80977771
10.179 -7.619003742
10.306 -7.431353661
10.434 -7.247025535
10.564 -7.065765263
10.696 -6.887552961
10.829 -6.712576979
10.964 -6.540590407
11.1 -6.371775617
11.238 -6.205890627
11.378 -6.042913103
11.52 -5.882820057
11.663 -5.725781951
11.809 -5.57137421
11.956 -5.419967938
12.104 -5.271521461
....
post #136 of 137
I'm not sure why an anechoic chamber is needed for 5 to 20 hz but isn't required for 20 to 40hz. Or even higher.

What ever. I'll feel warm and fuzzy knowing Herb did it and hopefully it'll look similar to the minidsp curve.
post #137 of 137
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

If the Cal file is good, that's a decent price including shipping. Mine was $99 to Minnesota. But if I didn't have that advantage I'd probably do what you're doing to.

Yeah, it seems like they permanently took out sub 20 hz calibration... so I might just have to wait for CS labs to get back in stock and then I can just ship to the US and pick it up, I live close.
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