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post #1 of 14
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Been experimenting with my speaker setup. Currently running energy cf70s up front, v5.2-c center, klipsch 10" sub and cb10 for surround. My question is what should I set the front towers and center speakers to? Small? Large? And what crossover 100hz? Receiver is pioneer elite vsx-53. Your feedback would be appreciated.

http://www.energy-speakers.com/tower-speakers/?sku=CF-70
http://www.energy-speakers.com/center-speakers/?sku=V-5-2-C
http://www.energy-speakers.com/surround-speakers/?sku=CB-10
post #2 of 14
Place your speakers accordingly and run MCACC thats built into the receiver.....it will choose whats optimal for your room.
post #3 of 14
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Right. I've done that. It puts my center and towers to large. I mean is this really what I want? Movies sound great through bluray. TV not so much. I guess I'll just have to play with the settings for normal use and leave MCACC settings for bluray.
post #4 of 14
Set all speakers to small and crossover in your avr to 80hz.
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by tang7969 View Post

Set all speakers to small and crossover in your avr to 80hz.
MCACC puts my Fronts and center to LARGE and 100hz.
post #6 of 14
Pretty sure the 100hz crossover is being based on the surround response. I would change the center to small, leave the x-over at 100hz. Experiment with the towers at large and small and see which you like best (most will say set them to small also). With Pioneer's global crossover, you have to work with the worst case scenario, which is usually the surrounds.
post #7 of 14
Your front speakers ARE large, and that's the right setting. They should operate down to 40 Hz, and the sub should operate below 40 Hz ONLY!

The center speakers should only go down to 120 Hz or 100 Hz; no lower. They are NOT there to produce bass, and they should not! That's not in the center speaker job description.

That sub is a little puppy trying to do the woofing of a big dog; you really should get a 12-inch sub with at least 350 watts RMS power.

I think there is a 12-inch Klipsch you can get for around $400 (RW12D).


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MCACC puts my Fronts and center to LARGE and 100hz.

Edited by commsysman - 12/4/12 at 8:02am
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

Your front speakers ARE large, and that's the right setting.
The center speakers should only go down to 120 Hz or 100 Hz; no lower. They are NOT there to produce bass, and they should not! That's not in the center speaker job description.
That sub is a little puppy trying to do the woofing of a big dog; you really should get a 12-inch sub with at least 350 watts RMS power.
I think there is a 12-inch Klipsch you can get for around $400.

Okay, so leave the fronts set to large, set the center to small, and 100hz? Im currently in the market for a sub. Been looking a the HSU
VTF-2 MK4 .
post #9 of 14
You need to set them to small to engage bass management if you want to hear the sub for other than the LFE channel in movies.

Pioneer MCACC uses a single crossover setting for all speakers (one of its drawbacks compared to Audyssey IMO, and I do have a Pioneer Elite AVR). That means you can't set the mains to 40 Hz and surrounds to 100 Hz; it would probably be best to set the mains to small, stick with the usual 80 Hz crossover by changing in the MCACC menu, then sit back and listen.
post #10 of 14
If you can spend $700 for a subwoofer, the best one I know of is the NHT B12D.

I have it.

I've never heard another one that can equal its sound for that price.
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

You need to set them to small to engage bass management if you want to hear the sub for other than the LFE channel in movies.
Pioneer MCACC uses a single crossover setting for all speakers (one of its drawbacks compared to Audyssey IMO, and I do have a Pioneer Elite AVR). That means you can't set the mains to 40 Hz and surrounds to 100 Hz; it would probably be best to set the mains to small, stick with the usual 80 Hz crossover by changing in the MCACC menu, then sit back and listen.

Alright, I'll try this setup tonight. Its been so back and forth as to what to set the speakers and crossover to. So many different theories. Thanks for the replies.
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

If you can spend $700 for a subwoofer, the best one I know of is the NHT B12D.
I have it.
I've never heard another one that can equal its sound for that price.

I'll look into it, thanks for the advice.
post #13 of 14
That NHT subwoofer gets crushed compared to most ID offerings for the $600-800 price range. The NHT is a little under powered sealed subwoofer that only suited for the smallest room/bedroom. Its no where near the performance of something like the HSU VTF3 Mk4 or SVS PB12 NSD.

If the NHT is the best you can come up with, I would suggest broadening your view of whats really out there. Not to say the NHT is a bad subwoofer, in todays competitive market it isn't the best bang for the buck performance.

I would also play around with your Mains crossover setting to see what you like. I would not however cross them down to 40hrz with a subwoofer xover at 40hrz. The CF-70s are nice speakers but dual 6.5" woofers only have the total surface area of less than a 10". A well designed subwoofer like the SVS or HSU will out perform the towers under 80hrz easily. Each room is different and room acoustics come into play, so what works best for you might not be so cut and dry. For example for me to get a nice flat freq response in my main listening seat I keep my subwoofer crossed at 80hrz and my towers play down to 60hrz. The best location for my subwoofer shows a dip/null in the 60hrz range, so I cross my towers down to 60hrz to bump up that null and it gives my awesome midbass dynamics for movie soundtracks and drum kicks.
Edited by gtpsuper24 - 12/4/12 at 10:04am
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by gtpsuper24 View Post

That NHT subwoofer gets crushed compared to most ID offerings for the $600-800 price range. The NHT is a little under powered sealed subwoofer that only suited for the smallest room/bedroom. Its no where near the performance of something like the HSU VTF3 Mk4 or SVS PB12 NSD.
If the NHT is the best you can come up with, I would suggest broadening your view of whats really out there. Not to say the NHT is a bad subwoofer, in todays competitive market it isn't the best bang for the buck performance.
I would also play around with your Mains crossover setting to see what you like. I would not however cross them down to 40hrz with a subwoofer xover at 40hrz. The CF-70s are nice speakers but dual 6.5" woofers only have the total surface area of less than a 10". A well designed subwoofer like the SVS or HSU will out perform the towers under 80hrz easily. Each room is different and room acoustics come into play, so what works best for you might not be so cut and dry. For example for me to get a nice flat freq response in my main listening seat I keep my subwoofer crossed at 80hrz and my towers play down to 60hrz. The best location for my subwoofer shows a dip/null in the 60hrz range, so I cross my towers down to 60hrz to bump up that null and it gives my awesome midbass dynamics for movie soundtracks and drum kicks.

Right, i was looking at the Epik legend. Sold out though. Wasn't fast enough. Now I'm kind of thinking Hsu VTF-2 MK4. Too many options.
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