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post #1021 of 2776
^^^^
I am likely not that motivated. It really doesnt bother me that much.
post #1022 of 2776
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Originally Posted by Chris DeWitt View Post

Ok, I just received and unboxed my second sub last night. This one was delivered with the exterior box a little beat up but, for the most part, intact. Interior box was flawless and the sub itself is in great shape. No loose port, broken grill pegs or scratches and it goes into standby with no issues. It came out so well it almost makes me regret not sending my first one, that was delivered with a scratch, back instead of just accepting the $20.00 discount Newegg offered. My first one also had a broken grill peg but a quick call to Klipsch straightened that out easy enough.

I would be interested in what the standby energy use is because right now I have one that goes to standby and one that doesn’t.

Overall, very happy with my purchases and would do the exact same thing again, giving the pricing.

Stanby allows your subs amp to go into a lower power usage mode when it hasn't received a signal from your receiver for twenty minutes or so in order to save power and allow the amp to cool. It is suppose to turn on immediately when it receives a signal from the receiver that it's suppose to play.
If I received a subwoofer that wouldn't go into standby when it suppose to I would have sent it back. Heck, if I paid for and received a subwoofer, or anything else for that matter, that wasn't exactly as described I would send it back. I beleive it's insane that some folks are content to keep something that isn't exactly as described. I wouldn't want my subs amp to be on all the time, especially when it was designed not to be.

Al
post #1023 of 2776
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

This person said they bought a Kill-A-Watt and plugged the RW-12D and that it read over 250 watts of power consumption just sitting there. I trust the Kill-A-Watt as people have been using these to measure device usage for quite some time. The post is located here. Maybe you do not believe him, but until I see someone using a similar device to prove it wrong, then I will.

I'd would question that. How would the sub use that much energy if it's not putting out any bass. The LED display can't do it. In other words, the power has to go somewhere. Where it could possibly go?
post #1024 of 2776
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Originally Posted by Chris DeWitt View Post

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I am likely not that motivated. It really doesnt bother me that much.

At about a kilowatt extra usage per month, using the local third tier pricing schedule, that works out to about an additional $0.31 a month added to your electric bill.

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post #1025 of 2776
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

At about a kilowatt extra usage per month, using the local third tier pricing schedule, that works out to about an additional $0.31 a month added to your electric bill.

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But that is assuming that its 1 kilowatt extra usage. With the specs not provided and one other forum member using a kill-a-watt getting a huge number, I would be skeptical myself.
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I'd would question that. How would the sub use that much energy if it's not putting out any bass. The LED display can't do it. In other words, the power has to go somewhere. Where it could possibly go?

I don't know enough about electronics to argue that point. If the amp is powered on, I would assume it is drawing some power. He said that he unplugged the cables and that is the readout he got. He did not post any pics, but I also don't see why he would take the time to lie about it either. I would love to see someone else try it that has one of these.

The meter is only $18 at Amazon if anyone is interested. You can also use it to test other gear and what it draws in standby mode.
post #1027 of 2776
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I'd would question that. How would the sub use that much energy if it's not putting out any bass. The LED display can't do it. In other words, the power has to go somewhere. Where it could possibly go?

The extra power is keeping the amp turned on. It's as simple as that. It's just like the amp in your receiver and I wouldn't want to leave my receiver on all the time.

Al
post #1028 of 2776
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

I don't know enough about electronics to argue that point. If the amp is powered on, I would assume it is drawing some power. He said that he unplugged the cables and that is the readout he got. He did not post any pics, but I also don't see why he would take the time to lie about it either. I would love to see someone else try it that has one of these.

Probably a more likely guess that if his amp is indeed drawing 250 watts when not putting out sound, there is something wrong with his amp.
post #1029 of 2776
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

But that is assuming that its 1 kilowatt extra usage.

That's based on the unit being plugged into the wall, 24/7, doing nothing but sitting there for a month.
post #1030 of 2776
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

That's based on the unit being plugged into the wall, 24/7, doing nothing but sitting there for a month.

I understand that, but you made that statement based on what you have read about other subs and stated that there are no published stats for the RW-12D. All I am saying is that another forum member, in another thread, hooked his up to a kill a watt and found it was drawing 250 watts with no cables connected. Maybe he lied? Maybe he has a bad amp? Maybe it is true? I just wanted others to be aware that it could be an issue and may be worth looking into.
post #1031 of 2776
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I'd would question that. How would the sub use that much energy if it's not putting out any bass. The LED display can't do it. In other words, the power has to go somewhere. Where it could possibly go?

I don't know enough about electronics to argue that point. If the amp is powered on, I would assume it is drawing some power. He said that he unplugged the cables and that is the readout he got. He did not post any pics, but I also don't see why he would take the time to lie about it either. I would love to see someone else try it that has one of these.

The meter is only $18 at Amazon if anyone is interested. You can also use it to test other gear and what it draws in standby mode.

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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I'd would question that. How would the sub use that much energy if it's not putting out any bass. The LED display can't do it. In other words, the power has to go somewhere. Where it could possibly go?

The extra power is keeping the amp turned on. It's as simple as that. It's just like the amp in your receiver and I wouldn't want to leave my receiver on all the time.

Al

Without a signal to amplify I seriously doubt the amp could possibly pull 250W, just as your receiver at idle doesn't either. More likely the guy with the kill a watt doesn't know what he's doing or had a defective unit. Although I have been wondering what all my gear in standby is doing....but haven't had the motivation to buy a meter to check. My electricity bill has not jumped since buying several subs that are on standby...including the Klipsch. If the Klipsch consumed 250w, 24 hrs a day for 30 days that's 180kWh, or $55.80 alone by BeeMan's electricity rate, and I think my rate is probably just as high as his, if not higher, and I'd certainly notice that...
post #1032 of 2776
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

I understand that, but you made that statement based on what you have read about other subs and stated that there are no published stats for the RW-12D. All I am saying is that another forum member, in another thread, hooked his up to a kill a watt and found it was drawing 250 watts with no cables connected. Maybe he lied? Maybe he has a bad amp? Maybe it is true? I just wanted others to be aware that it could be an issue and may be worth looking into.

I don't know of anything that demands 250w in stand-by mode. Sounds like somebody's unit isn't going into stand-by mode if what was posted was an "ACCURATE" measurement.. As to your concern about my not having direct knowledge with stand-by usage for the Klipsch, RW-12d, this is what I posted.

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Give Klipsch customer service a call and see what they have to say as I don't see anything posted on the Klipsch website for the RW-12d.
post #1033 of 2776
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

I don't know of anything that demands 250w in stand-by mode. Sounds like somebody's unit isn't going into stand-by mode if what was posted was an "ACCURATE" measurement.. As to your concern about my not having direct knowledge with stand-by usage for the Klipsch, RW-12d, this is what I posted.

Correct. His unit was NOT going into standby. The thread I linked to was all about the RW-12D not going into standby. He bought the kill a watt to see if it mattered and posted what he found.
post #1034 of 2776
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

Correct. His unit was NOT going into standby. The thread I linked to was all about the RW-12D not going into standby. He bought the kill a watt to see if it mattered and posted what he found.

Just to be sure we're posting about the same thing, my comment was strictly related to the question I responded to, stand-by mode.

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Originally Posted by Chris DeWitt View Post

I would be interested in what the standby energy use is because right now I have one that goes to standby and one that doesn’t

Based on all I've read, one watt/hr in stand-by is pretty much the norm for all the subs I've seen stand-by specifications on. Give Klipsch customer service a call and see what they have to say as I don't see anything posted on the Klipsch website for the RW-12d.
post #1035 of 2776
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

Correct. His unit was NOT going into standby. The thread I linked to was all about the RW-12D not going into standby. He bought the kill a watt to see if it mattered and posted what he found.

Realize that the RW-12d probably doesn't pull much more than 350 to 400 watts blasting out bass at full volume. As I understand it (and my electrical knowledge is a little sketchy), the peak power in a sub amp comes from capacitors that have charged. So even thought the RW-12d as having 825 watts dynamic power, it won't be using that much power from your outlet.

So if the amp is consuming 250 watts doing nothing, no signal to amplify, that's not leaving much power headroom to produce the great bass you get out of the RW-12d.
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Just to be sure we're posting about the same thing, my comment was strictly related to the question I responded to, stand-by mode.

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Based on all I've read, one watt/hr in stand-by is pretty much the norm for all the subs I've seen stand-by specifications on. Give Klipsch customer service a call and see what they have to say as I don't see anything posted on the Klipsch website for the RW-12d.

Yea we were talking about 2 different things. Standby vs On (without sound)
post #1037 of 2776
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post


Yea we were talking about 2 different things. Standby vs On (without sound)

That's the question: Is the sub going into standby?

post #1038 of 2776
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

That's the question: Is the sub going into standby?

Correct, but also if it is not going into standby, is that a problem? How much power does the sub use (in standby and not) when your AVR is off?
post #1039 of 2776
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

Correct, but also if it is not going into standby, is that a problem? How much power does the sub use (in standby and not) when your AVR is off?

Of course it's a problem. Would you want your receiver to be left on 24/7? I wouldn't.

Al
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Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post

Of course it's a problem. Would you want your receiver to be left on 24/7? I wouldn't.

Al

I totally agree, but others on here are stating that they are not concerned.
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Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post

Of course it's a problem. Would you want your receiver to be left on 24/7? I wouldn't.

Al
Whether you like it or not the amp in your sub is always on in standby. The only way it would be off is if you turn it off. Do you turn it off every time you stop listening to music?
post #1042 of 2776
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

I totally agree, but others on here are stating that they are not concerned.
Dont forget that the original question was should he be concerned about THE DISPLAY being on all the time.
post #1043 of 2776
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

Correct, but also if it is not going into standby, is that a problem? How much power does the sub use (in standby and not) when your AVR is off?
Did he say that the sub was not going into standby? I dont remember. He said the display would not turn off.
post #1044 of 2776
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

That's the question: Is the sub going into standby?
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post #1045 of 2776
Almost all your av gear is in standby if it's plugged in. Only way to avoid that is to unplug it...

In standby or "on" the amp still doesn't pull significant juice unless actually working, i.e. amplifying a signal. Sure, it'll have some draw, but 250W? NFW.
post #1046 of 2776
The light is always on at full broghtness and the screen does not shut off. When I look at the other sub it's on the same volume screen but with no light until I push a button...
post #1047 of 2776
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Almost all your av gear is in standby if it's plugged in. Only way to avoid that is to unplug it...

In standby or "on" the amp still doesn't pull significant juice unless actually working, i.e. amplifying a signal. Sure, it'll have some draw, but 250W? NFW.
+1. The only way that might even be possible just for arguments sake is if he had a bad amp or some bad wiring somewhere but I read the post and he did not mention any issues other than the sub not going into standby. Therefore 250w in standby is impossible. That post is just utter garbage.
post #1048 of 2776
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Originally Posted by Chris DeWitt View Post

I would be interested in what the standby energy use is because right now I have one that goes to standby and one that doesn’t.

Implementation of power/standby functionality on subwoofers is a concern. I don't own the Klipish RW-12d sub, but I do own a BIC F12 and a Pioneer SW-8. I have tested both with a Kill-A-Watt brand meter.

The SW-8 draws 7.5 watts regardless if the switch on the sub is set to Standby or Off. The F12 draws 6.8 watts regardless if the switch is set to Standby or Off. So, both subwoofers are drawing power, even if you switch them off. The only way to prevent drawing power is to unplug the subs from the outlet. For this reason, I consider the "standby/off" feature on some subwoofers to be a misnomer. In some cases your sub is basically on and drawing power 24/7 even when switched "off". One solution is to purchase a power strip that has a master outlet with switched slave outlet functionality. The receiver plugs into the master outlet on the power strip. Turning the receiver on/off causes the slave outlets on the power strip to turn on/off. Turning off the receiver cuts power to the sub.

Perhaps someone with electronic design experience, could explain why a sub would be designed with an Off switch, that doesn’t actually turn the sub completely off in terms of power draw? I assume it is due to some cost cutting measure on the part of the manufactures, not to have a true legitimate Off switch functionality? Unfortunately, over a population of such devices drawing power 24/7, the energy usage is a concern given resource usage, environmental concerns, etc. It would be interesting if someone could test the RW-12d to see how it functions in terms of standby/off settings.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

You buy the meter since you would love to know and you believe him over everyone else. As far as Im concerned he is either a liar or an idiot. If not both. I dont need any convincing.

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Whether you like it or not the amp in your sub is always on in standby. The only way it would be off is if you turn it off. Do you turn it off every time you stop listening to music?

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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Dont forget that the original question was should he be concerned about THE DISPLAY being on all the time.

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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Did he say that the sub was not going into standby? I dont remember. He said the display would not turn off.

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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Almost all your av gear is in standby if it's plugged in. Only way to avoid that is to unplug it...

In standby or "on" the amp still doesn't pull significant juice unless actually working, i.e. amplifying a signal. Sure, it'll have some draw, but 250W? NFW.

I don't own this sub, so I am not able to test it. You believe whatever you want. I was just trying to point out that it is possible that these things draw more power than people realize when they do not go into standby mode. If my pointing this out and sharing what another forum member said bothers you so much then move along. You are constantly recommending a JBL sub that you have never heard and are going off of what others have said, so I thought you may be open to listening to the opinions or thoughts of others, including those who claim to have actually used a tool for measuring power usage. Also, the original question that I was replying to was not about the display, but it was regarding YOUR comment in post 1012 where you said it wouldn't hurt anything if the sub doesn't go into standby.

And if standby has no power consumption benefits, then why do subs include it as an option? There must be a difference between standby and on.
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Originally Posted by acevesf View Post

The light is always on at full broghtness and the screen does not shut off. When I look at the other sub it's on the same volume screen but with no light until I push a button...
OK. Does the display that has the light that stays on work properly otherwise? Have you ever seen it display the word "STANDBY"?
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