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post #1051 of 2024
3/6/13 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post


I don't own this sub, so I am not able to test it. You believe whatever you want. I was just trying to point out that it is possible that these things draw more power than people realize when they do not go into standby mode. If my pointing this out and sharing what another forum member said bothers you so much then move along. You are constantly recommending a JBL sub that you have never heard and are going off of what others have said, so I thought you may be open to listening to the opinions or thoughts of others, including those who claim to have actually used a tool for measuring power usage. Also, the original question that I was replying to was not about the display, but it was regarding YOUR comment in post 1012 where you said it wouldn't hurt anything if the sub doesn't go into standby.

And if standby has no power consumption benefits, then why do subs include it as an option? There must be a difference between standby and on.

So you don't own it, you didn't test it but you posted it....the 250w consumption thing simply makes no sense and rather than perpetuate the information, perhaps it's best not repeated.

Standby is for quicker operation. No one can apparently any longer wait those precious few seconds for the unit to initialize (or "warm up").
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post #1052 of 2024
3/6/13 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Whether you like it or not the amp in your sub is always on in standby. The only way it would be off is if you turn it off. Do you turn it off every time you stop listening to music?

First of all, standby and on are two different things and if working properly standby will draw less power than on will. That is the reason they put a standby mode in electronic units of all kinds. If there are manufacturers who deceive the public with a useless standby mode (as "indio22" suggests) that's a different story. What the difference in the power draw would be between standby and on with my subwoofer I don't know but I do know that my subwoofer standby mode works properly. I'm not trying to make a point about power draw anyway because I'm not that interested in it. I'm just saying I wouldn't buy something that is known not to work as it's suppose to. If I did buy something that turned out to be faulty in any way I would return it.
I certainly wouldn't recommend that someone else buy a subwoofer with known faults. Ya know, this Klipsch RW12d might be a good subwoofer and be worth the money it cost but it's just not worth it to me. That is just my view on it. People can give their view on this forum with or without you going on a rampage.

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post #1053 of 2024
3/6/13 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

And if standby has no power consumption benefits, then why do subs include it as an option? There must be a difference between standby and on.

Good question. As referenced in my page 35 post about measurements, for some subs the base power draw does not seem to change, regardless if the switch is set to off/standby/on. Why include an off/standby/on switch without true Off functionality, and with a base power draw that remains the same - regardless if the switch is set to off/standby/on? Seems like poor design to me. At the least, it makes sense if an owner switches a device to the Off setting, the owner should be reasonably assured the device actually turns off. Unfortunately, that is not the case with some subs. The difference between Standby and On with my Pioneer SW-8 and BIC F12 subs? All it seems to do is impact the little led light on the subs, lol. But the power draw remains the same. The switch might as well be set to On instead of Standby, because effectively it is on either way - drawing the same base power.

The report of 250w draw in standby though – as suggested that seems either a misreading by the person measuring or a significant problem with the sub.
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post #1054 of 2024
3/6/13 at 12:57pm
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First of all, standby and on are two different things and if working properly standby will draw less power than on will. That is the reason they put a standby mode in electronic units of all kinds. If there are manufacturers who deceive the public with a useless standby mode (as "indio22" suggests) that's a different story. What the difference in the power draw would be between standby and on with my subwoofer I don't know but I do know that my subwoofer standby mode works properly. I'm not trying to make a point about power draw anyway because I'm not that interested in it. I'm just saying I wouldn't buy something that is known not to work as it's suppose to. If I did buy something that turned out to be faulty in any way I would return it.
I certainly wouldn't recommend that someone else buy a subwoofer with known faults. Ya know, this Klipsch RW12d might be a good subwoofer and be worth the money it cost but it's just not worth it to me. That is just my view on it. People can give their view on this forum with or without you going on a rampage.

Al
No rampage here. I never recommended that he keep the sub. In fact I specifically stated that I was not encouraging him to keep it. Only that the display being on all the time would not cause any damage.
And I never said that standby and on were not 2 different things. Although technically when in standby it is still on. Thats why I responded to your post about not wanting your avr to be on all the time as if your sub isnt.
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post #1055 of 2024
3/6/13 at 12:58pm
This from the Klipsch owners thread in reference to Klipsch subs:
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Originally Posted by stebob View Post


Just leave it "ON" all the time. There is NO difference between stand-by and on when it comes to power consumption. The amp is on regardless. The ONLY difference is the outputs are muted when it's in stand-by. Leaving it on all the time isn't going to hurt a thing.
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post #1056 of 2024
3/6/13 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

This from the Klipsch owners thread in reference to Klipsch subs:
Thank you. And that is not unique to Kilpsch. That would apply to just about any sub with a class D amplifier. I know its true of Hsu because Dr Hsu posted something similar regarding his subs. He stated that the only reason that they even provide an auto feature is to make people feel better. smile.gif
Now if we can only verify how many hundreds of watts it is using with no signal we can put this to rest.
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post #1057 of 2024
3/6/13 at 1:07pm
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He stated that the only reason that they even provide an auto feature is to make people feel better. smile.gif

Some how I feel better knowing that the whole argument over standby vs on is moot because the feature is designed only to make people feel better. (hehe) wink.gif
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post #1058 of 2024
3/6/13 at 2:37pm

Now, how about that RW-12D subwoofer?  Anybody heard anything about that, or is this thread not titled right?

 

Maybe the thread should be titled, "Tempest in a Teapot," or "Majoring in the Minors," or even, or "Defending Your Honor Over an Electrical Nuance Nobody Cares about and Is Unrelated to This Thread" or . . . Pick you own title that has nothing to do with the original "Klipsch RW-12d on Sale at newegg.com Again Today" thread title.

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post #1059 of 2024
3/6/13 at 2:44pm

You mean the fact that it's $299 until 3/11?

So?

 

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post #1060 of 2024
3/6/13 at 2:44pm
Wow, such consternation over this issue.
If the sub is really consuming 250watts in standby mode, that power has to be dissipated as heat, since it isn't producing sound or doing any other work. If that were true, the metal plate with with all the connections would stay pretty warm as it is the heat sink for the active electronics in that amp. I actually took mine out when it came in with the loose tubes Just curious how it was made.
I'm away from home today, but will be back on Thursday, I have a kill-a-watt and two of the rw-12d subs. I'll check the power usage with the power switch off, on with the sub in standby mode and on working and report back.
Till Thursday.
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post #1061 of 2024
3/6/13 at 6:10pm
I wonder how many are left? I keep thinking they're going to run out permanently someday like the Monitor IIs or the Klipsch Icon Ws. Guess I should just buy it now and not regret. smile.gif
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post #1062 of 2024
3/6/13 at 6:17pm
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I wonder how many are left? I keep thinking they're going to run out permanently someday like the Monitor IIs or the Klipsch Icon Ws. Guess I should just buy it now and not regret. smile.gif

I wonder if they are still making them. The latest build date that someone posted that I saw was 10/12. I wonder if anyone has any later build dates. If they are still making them, then that is a good sign...
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post #1063 of 2024
3/6/13 at 6:26pm
Yes if they are still making them, but who knows? Eventually they are discontinued, and the price will remain as the current
price if only a few remain. Klipsch is loosing money as it is, I don't think they would want to continue doing that. It's
like the SMS-1 from Velodyne, they discontinued them, everyone from Onecall to other I.D vendors got the remaining
stock, and sold them for 40% or more off. Now you can't find them anywhere on the net, except maybe at Ebay.

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post #1064 of 2024
3/6/13 at 9:37pm
The sub is a nice sub. Not cheap by any means. Klipsch (who is owned by another company) is in a way like Onkyo,
new models all the time. The model (the Klipsh) in this discussion is an example. If they, for some reason, can't sell off the current
crop, they will sell them at a drastically (read, cheap by the dollar) price. To break even, they will reduce the price
to their cost. So 007, I would not be insulting with your post regarding this Klipsch sub.

I don't, and won't own it, but have heard it, and my friends system sounds pretty nice using duals of this sub.

vardo
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post #1065 of 2024
3/7/13 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by Titan Uranus View Post

Thanks for the advice, but I'm not sure I could swing $2000 for a sub. frown.gif

I suggest going with dual RW-12's - I have mine in a 5000cu ft living room with multiple openings and they shake everything with very clean strong output. They are actually underrated for their output. I think people forget the amp in these is only 10 watts lower than a VTF-15H!!
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post #1066 of 2024
3/7/13 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by vardo View Post

Yes if they are still making them, but who knows? Eventually they are discontinued, and the price will remain as the current
price if only a few remain. Klipsch is loosing money as it is, I don't think they would want to continue doing that.

The RW-12d has been discontinued for a long time, at least well over a year. Yet. they continue to manufacture them. Newegg and Klipsch obviously have some deal where Newegg is buying them in large quantities and can then sell them at $299. Might not be much markup, but I doubt Newegg and Klipsch are losing money on this.

What this is showing you is exactly how much inflated MSRP Klipsch and other traditional speaker companies have on their subs, and why Internet direct companies like SVS, HSU, and Outlaw Audio can make such great products for the prices that they do.
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post #1067 of 2024
3/7/13 at 8:35am
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post #1068 of 2024
3/7/13 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

The RW-12d has been discontinued for a long time, at least well over a year. Yet. they continue to manufacture them. Newegg and Klipsch obviously have some deal where Newegg is buying them in large quantities and can then sell them at $299. Might not be much markup, but I doubt Newegg and Klipsch are losing money on this.

What this is showing you is exactly how much inflated MSRP Klipsch and other traditional speaker companies have on their subs, and why Internet direct companies like SVS, HSU, and Outlaw Audio can make such great products for the prices that they do.
It is a stange situation. One thing for sure is that no one is losing money.
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post #1069 of 2024
3/7/13 at 10:08am
I am having a very difficult time deciding if I should grab a RW-12d, or just pay the $450 more for a HSU VTF3 MK4. There is a large difference in price there, and it would allow me to pick up a newer receiver much sooner.

It sounds like 80-90% of buyers are happy with the Klipsch sub. Sure, the HSU is a better sub that will hit lower. I just really wonder if the HSU is $450 BETTER...
Edited by Titan Uranus - 3/7/13 at 10:17am
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post #1070 of 2024
3/7/13 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by Titan Uranus View Post

I am having a very difficult time deciding if I should grab a RW-12d, or just pay the $450 more for a HSU VTF3 MK4. There is a large difference in price there, and it would allow me to pick up a newer receiver much sooner.

It sounds like 80-90% of buyers are happy with the Klipsch sub. Sure, the HSU is a better sub that will hit lower. I just really wonder if the HSU is $450 BETTER...

Only you can decide that!

Personally, I'd pick up 2 rw-12d's before I spent more for the 1 HSU.
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post #1071 of 2024
3/7/13 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by Titan Uranus View Post

I am having a very difficult time deciding if I should grab a RW-12d, or just pay the $450 more for a HSU VTF3 MK4. There is a large difference in price there, and it would allow me to pick up a newer receiver much sooner.

It sounds like 80-90% of buyers are happy with the Klipsch sub. Sure, the HSU is a better sub that will hit lower. I just really wonder if the HSU is $450 BETTER...
I cant remember if you already did but can you post the vitals again. Room size? Whats more important, music or movies? The Hsu is a better sub but depending on your needs you can get 2 RW12s for less money and may be better off.
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post #1072 of 2024
3/7/13 at 10:36am
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I cant remember if you already did but can you post the vitals again. Room size? Whats more important, music or movies? The Hsu is a better sub but depending on your needs you can get 2 RW12s for less money and may be better off.

I posted it a few pages back:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442829/klipsch-rw-12d-on-sale-for-299-at-newegg-com-again-today/960#post_23042586

I am 70% music.

The consensus seems to be that I should grab 2 Klipsch's over a single HSU. The only issue there is I may start running into placement issues if I put them next to the TV. As you can see, the TV stand is quite long and there is not enough space for 1, let alone 2 subs (assuming a sub crawl tells me the front is the best place). I have a smaller stand that I could use in place of this one, but I am fairly partial to this one.

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post #1073 of 2024
3/7/13 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by Titan Uranus View Post

I posted it a few pages back.:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442829/klipsch-rw-12d-on-sale-for-299-at-newegg-com-again-today/960#post_23042586

The consensus seems to be that I should grab 2 Klipsch's over a single HSU. The only issue there is I may start running into placement issues if I put them next to the TV. As you can see, the TV stand is quite long and there is not enough space for 1, let alone 2 subs (assuming a sub crawl tells me the front is the best place).

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OMG an original NES!
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post #1074 of 2024
3/7/13 at 10:41am
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OMG an original NES!

biggrin.gif There is a fella here at the office who updates the pin slots to get them into working condition again. They are very cheap to pick up. LMK if you are interested and I can point you to his eBay page.
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post #1075 of 2024
3/7/13 at 11:03am
This is what Ed Mullen, an engineer at SVS just posted about the sb and pb1000 subs.

"The power supply is green-friendly and consumes <0.5 watts in Standby mode. This complies with International Energy Agency (IEA) guidelines for standby power consumption of consumer electronics. These IEA guidelines have been adopted by world-wide agencies including the EU and have also been incorporated into compliance standards IEC 62301 and EN 50564:2011.The amp will consume more power in On mode at idle than in Standby - about 10 watts. And time-out to Standby mode is about 15 minutes."
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post #1076 of 2024
3/7/13 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by Titan Uranus View Post

I posted it a few pages back:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442829/klipsch-rw-12d-on-sale-for-299-at-newegg-com-again-today/960#post_23042586

I am 70% music.

The consensus seems to be that I should grab 2 Klipsch's over a single HSU. The only issue there is I may start running into placement issues if I put them next to the TV. As you can see, the TV stand is quite long and there is not enough space for 1, let alone 2 subs (assuming a sub crawl tells me the front is the best place). I have a smaller stand that I could use in place of this one, but I am fairly partial to this one.

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There is a lot of open adjacent space to the family room. So that makes the space quite large. It is unlikely that the front will be the best place for the sub and almost certainly will not be the best place for 2. I would get 2 RWs. They dont have quite the accuracy of the Hsu but 2 of them in that size space will probably have as good output and provide a smoother response to fill the room better.
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post #1077 of 2024
3/7/13 at 11:34am

And they can go pretty much anywhere, since frequencies <80Hz are omnidirectional (you can't tell where they're coming from).

I, too, suggest 2 Klipsch.

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post #1078 of 2024
3/7/13 at 11:38am
I always thought that standby was for powering everything on simultaneously? I mean this way you don't have to walk around and turn your subs and other components on by hand.

I personally have gone to turning my subs off when not in use. I really don't want my subs burning when I am watching 60 minutes. It is not a electricty thing, I just would like to prolong my amps and use them when I am watching a blu ray with good LFE content. This way they work when I want them to work. I mean really if someone is worried about electric, then you are really in the wrong sport.
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post #1079 of 2024
3/7/13 at 11:43am
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I personally have gone to turning my subs off when not in use. I really don't want my subs burning when I am watching 60 minutes. It is not a electricty thing, I just would like to prolong my amps and use them when I am watching a blu ray with good LFE content.

The problem I have with that is the very loud "THUNK" they make when they're turned on. So I leave mine on standby.

60 Minutes, maybe not, but the CSI themes sound GREAT.

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post #1080 of 2024
3/7/13 at 12:31pm
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I always thought that standby was for powering everything on simultaneously? I mean this way you don't have to walk around and turn your subs and other components on by hand.

I personally have gone to turning my subs off when not in use. I really don't want my subs burning when I am watching 60 minutes. It is not a electricty thing, I just would like to prolong my amps and use them when I am watching a blu ray with good LFE content. This way they work when I want them to work. I mean really if someone is worried about electric, then you are really in the wrong sport.

Well, you might not actually be turning off your subs. Neither of my subs turn off when the switch is set to "Off". The subs essentially draw the same base power 24/7 as when the switch is set to "On". Misleading on the part of manufacturers who design that way - to have an "Off" switch that doesn't actually turn the sub off.

Also plenty of people own electronic items, but also try to be good citizens and smart about electric usage. I don't think one should exclude the other. If you research the subject, good progress has been made in terms of standby power usage due to public pressure and standards implementation, but clearly some subwoofer manufactures have a ways to go.
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