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post #1861 of 2776
Well, I was pretty much set to buy the PSA-XV30, and I had the RW-12D pretty much sold to a co-worker. HOWEVER, my wife's car AC compressor went out mad.gif So, I've got to fix that. So, I cannot buy the PSA-XV30, it will put me well over budget plus fixing the wife's car A/C. May be this is a sign to keep the RW-12D, and buy a 2nd one biggrin.gif I know the wife likes the price tag lol.


Question:

For those of you who went from 1 to dual RW-12D, how much of a sound (bass) improvement did you get?
post #1862 of 2776
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

For those of you who went from 1 to dual RW-12D, how much of a sound (bass) improvement did you get?

Sorry to read about the auto A/C compressor as a new system (compressor, dryer and hoses) gets expensive real fast but on those hot July/August days, it's money well spent.

As to your question, it wasn't until the third sub was added that I would characterized the change as a "BIG" improvement.

The point, based on the size and acoustics of the room, a second sub may not produce a noticeable improvement so I don't want you to be disappointed with the outcome of a second sub as you may need a third sub to get you where you want to go.

And in truth, I want to replace the three Klipsch subs with something by PSA, Rythmik or SVS that would be considered a step up from the RW-12d.

The point, even having three RW-12d's is no guarantee of happiness.

Currently, we're spending "MY" subwoofer budget money on a home auto detail system to keep "MY" wife's car, buffed and polished so the money stays at home and not the detail shop owner's pocket. Not the same as a replacement A/C system but when you throw in buffers and buffer bonnet covers, you'd be surprised how much all that goop costs.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 4/23/13 at 8:04am
post #1863 of 2776
I think adding a second sub makes lots of sense. Two subs is probably the biggest jump you can make, and adding additional subs after that is just icing on the cake (every room is different though). I am using four DIY subs now and am trying to figure out how to add two more smile.gif

But in my room, two subs made the most dramatic difference.
post #1864 of 2776
Well, I am not sure if adding a second RW-12D would be good or bad. I am afraid of buying a second sub, and I won't hear much difference. My room isn't very larger, but it has vaulted ceiling leading to dining area.

The dimensions for the HT are 14' x 14' x 12' (highest point of the ceiling). So would you think a 2nd RW-12D would do?
post #1865 of 2776
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Well, I am not sure if adding a second RW-12D would be good or bad. I am afraid of buying a second sub, and I won't hear much difference. My room isn't very larger, but it has vaulted ceiling leading to dining area.

The dimensions for the HT are 14' x 14' x 12' (highest point of the ceiling). So would you think a 2nd RW-12D would do?
2 subs are always better than one (unless youre talking about something in the $1000 plus range here. Lets be reasonable). Youre room is plenty big enough to justify 2 RW 12s. You will notice a difference.
Question is, why do you want another sub at all? Then it would be easier to say if it will meet your expectations.
post #1866 of 2776
A second RW-12d should give you smoother FR at the listening position and a bit more output...for the relatively low price of $279.

If this sounds worthwhile, get a second RW-12d. Else, enjoy the one you have, and buy the XV30 when you can next afford to. smile.gif
post #1867 of 2776
I can say with my little tiny small room since i upgraded to dual sub the results are very good especially for movies.
post #1868 of 2776
To be honest I want another sub just to get better sound. I think I am going to wait and keep the one I've got. There after I might go with the PSA-XV30. I was also thinking dual PS-1000. Thanks for the input.
post #1869 of 2776
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

I can say with my little tiny small room since i upgraded to dual sub the results are very good especially for movies.

Nice set up.
post #1870 of 2776
I'm got a fairly large room (24x18x10) that I am needing to buy a new sub for. I've got it narrowed down to either dual RW-12D or a single PSA XV15 (budget won't allow for dual XV15's). I'm a little concerned with some of the problems noted by those that have bought the RW-12D's through newegg...but if this would allow for the best sound in my particular instance, I might be ok with going the Klipsch route. But if the XV15 is head and shoulders better than the Klipsch, I will go that route and save for a possible second XV15 down the road.

The room is largely used for movies (80%)...and I enjoy a lot of sound, but my wife doesn't necessarily biggrin.gif

Just wanting to get the most bang for my buck possible. Any thoughts?
post #1871 of 2776
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I've got it narrowed down to either dual RW-12D or a single PSA XV15 ... if the XV15 is head and shoulders better than the Klipsch, I will go that route and save for a possible second XV15 down the road.
The PSA XV15 is head and shoulders above the Klipsch RW-12d. I vote for you going that route, and saving for a second XV15 down the road. cool.gif
post #1872 of 2776
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

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I've got it narrowed down to either dual RW-12D or a single PSA XV15 ... if the XV15 is head and shoulders better than the Klipsch, I will go that route and save for a possible second XV15 down the road.
The PSA XV15 is head and shoulders above the Klipsch RW-12d. I vote for you going that route, and saving for a second XV15 down the road. cool.gif

I'd agree unless your spl levels are moderate, and your budget is important, then dual RW12d's might be the better route. Just keep in mind that most in the upgrading of subs thing say they wish they just went with the best sub possible earlier....
post #1873 of 2776
Comparing an XV15 to a RW12d is being a bit disingenuous in that one is comparing a three hundred dollar sub to an eight hundred dollar sub. I like comparisons as much as the next person but I'm partial to class matching also. In my opinion, directly comparing a 12" driver to a 15" driver is not what I consider to be a fair comparison.

Would it be considered a fair comparison to compare three RW-12d's to one XV15? Now one is comparing nine hundred dollars worth of RW-12d to eight hundred dollars worth of XV15.

Would it be a fair comparison to compare two stacked RW-12d's to one XV15? Now being compared is six hundred dollars worth of RW-12d to eight hundred dollars worth of XV15 and my understanding, two twelve inch drivers equal one fifteen inch driver and then there's the coupling effect of the two twelve inch drivers to be considered as to output capability.

Currently, we're running three twelve inch drivers, two are what might be considered to be long throw Dayton drivers with an Xmax of 14mm.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 4/24/13 at 2:22am
post #1874 of 2776
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

To be honest I want another sub just to get better sound. I think I am going to wait and keep the one I've got. There after I might go with the PSA-XV30. I was also thinking dual PS-1000. Thanks for the input.

lol thats quite a contrast..dual ps1000 or a single xv30. thats like comparing 2 tug boats to 1 battleship.
post #1875 of 2776
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Nice set up.
thanks sir.
post #1876 of 2776
Hi all,

I am trying to set up my first 5.1, I am coming from a HTIB and was wondering if I should get this sub from newegg at the current deal.

I have yet to buy my speakers and I am doing everything in steps. But if I don't buy the sub now, will I get the same deal later in a couple of weeks? I have time before I can set everything up so should I just wait for the deal to come back.

As far as speakers, I am still debating between infinity, kef focal chorus and a few more. I wan to set it up the first time and get it right.

The room is 22X19 and opens to the kitchen. I am attaching the pic of the layout so that you can see where I plan to put it as I have to tell the builder the location for pre-wire.

post #1877 of 2776
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Comparing an XV15 to a RW12d is being a bit disingenuous in that one is comparing a three hundred dollar sub to an eight hundred dollar sub. I like comparisons as much as the next person but I'm partial to class matching also. In my opinion, directly comparing a 12" driver to a 15" driver is not what I consider to be a fair comparison.

Would it be considered a fair comparison to compare three RW-12d's to one XV15? Now one is comparing nine hundred dollars worth of RW-12d to eight hundred dollars worth of XV15.

Would it be a fair comparison to compare two stacked RW-12d's to one XV15? Now being compared is six hundred dollars worth of RW-12d to eight hundred dollars worth of XV15 and my understanding, two twelve inch drivers equal one fifteen inch driver and then there's the coupling effect of the two twelve inch drivers to be considered as to output capability.

Currently, we're running three twelve inch drivers, two are what might be considered to be long throw Dayton drivers with an Xmax of 14mm.

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agree, however you could compare 3 rw-12's to one xv15 and the output would be close. if you look klipsch rates thier subs off of a 1/8 space corner loaded enviroment. so with the rw-12 max output of 116db corner loaded, that would be roughly 104 db going by data bass standards. ovbiously you can give or take a few db on that, but the point is you would need 3 rw12's to match or slightly best one xv15 in max spl. now dont take what im saying wrong, depending on ones budget, I would still prefer 2 rw12's to 1 xv15 because of well yea you know why.
post #1878 of 2776
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Comparing an XV15 to a RW12d is being a bit disingenuous in that one is comparing a three hundred dollar sub to an eight hundred dollar sub. I like comparisons as much as the next person but I'm partial to class matching also. In my opinion, directly comparing a 12" driver to a 15" driver is not what I consider to be a fair comparison.

Would it be considered a fair comparison to compare three RW-12d's to one XV15? Now one is comparing nine hundred dollars worth of RW-12d to eight hundred dollars worth of XV15.

Would it be a fair comparison to compare two stacked RW-12d's to one XV15? Now being compared is six hundred dollars worth of RW-12d to eight hundred dollars worth of XV15 and my understanding, two twelve inch drivers equal one fifteen inch driver and then there's the coupling effect of the two twelve inch drivers to be considered as to output capability.

Currently, we're running three twelve inch drivers, two are what might be considered to be long throw Dayton drivers with an Xmax of 14mm.

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agree, however you could compare 3 rw-12's to one xv15 and the output would be close. if you look klipsch rates thier subs off of a 1/8 space corner loaded enviroment. so with the rw-12 max output of 116db corner loaded, that would be roughly 104 db going by data bass standards. ovbiously you can give or take a few db on that, but the point is you would need 3 rw12's to match or slightly best one xv15 in max spl. now dont take what im saying wrong, depending on ones budget, I would still prefer 2 rw12's to 1 xv15 because of well yea you know why.

If you have multiple subs, or 1 sub, what happens if 1 goes down?
post #1879 of 2776
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Originally Posted by sid369 View Post

Hi all,

I am trying to set up my first 5.1, I am coming from a HTIB and was wondering if I should get this sub from newegg at the current deal.

I have yet to buy my speakers and I am doing everything in steps. But if I don't buy the sub now, will I get the same deal later in a couple of weeks? I have time before I can set everything up so should I just wait for the deal to come back.

As far as speakers, I am still debating between infinity, kef focal chorus and a few more. I wan to set it up the first time and get it right.

The room is 22X19 and opens to the kitchen. I am attaching the pic of the layout so that you can see where I plan to put it as I have to tell the builder the location for pre-wire.


one rw12 will struggle in that size of room. your going to need multiple subs or one killer sub for that enviroment.
post #1880 of 2776
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

If you have multiple subs, or 1 sub, what happens if 1 goes down?

you get it fixed lol
did you miss the part where i said i still prefer multiple subs?
post #1881 of 2776
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

If you have multiple subs, or 1 sub, what happens if 1 goes down?

you get it fixed lol
did you miss the part where i said i still prefer multiple subs?

You're not the only person that was for...AND

You miss my point, perhaps...
post #1882 of 2776
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

You're not the only person that was for...AND

You miss my point, perhaps...

care to explain since i am missing your point?
post #1883 of 2776
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

You're not the only person that was for...AND

You miss my point, perhaps...

care to explain since i am missing your point?

You may not have considered it, since with more than 1 doesn't apply to you but if you have only 1 & it goes down you're SoL (Smooth outa Luck)
post #1884 of 2776
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

You're not the only person that was for...AND

You miss my point, perhaps...

care to explain since i am missing your point?

You may not have considered it, since with more than 1 doesn't apply to you but if you have only 1 & it goes down you're SoL (Smooth outa Luck)

So one way or the other you're SOL....just as with anything that breaks down....but with multiples you won't be jonesing completely. smile.gif
post #1885 of 2776
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

You may not have considered it, since with more than 1 doesn't apply to you but if you have only 1 & it goes down you're SoL (Smooth outa Luck)

I agree and again max output is not the most important factor. If my budget was limited to 800.00, I would go with 2 klipsch rw12's since i like the balance of 2 subs better than 1, even if the 1 has more output.
post #1886 of 2776
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

If you have multiple subs, or 1 sub, what happens if 1 goes down?

In caving, the saying goes, one flashlight is the same as no flashlight. I would say the same goes for subwoofers.

As to multiple subs vs a single sub, stating the obvious, the effectiveness of the output is going be reduced by the loss of the one subwoofer when compared to that of the remaining subwoofers.
post #1887 of 2776
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

If you have multiple subs, or 1 sub, what happens if 1 goes down?

In caving, the saying goes, one flashlight is the same as no flashlight. I would say the same goes for subwoofers.

As to multiple subs vs a single sub, stating the obvious, the effectiveness of the output is going be reduced by the loss of the one subwoofer when compared to that of the remaining subwoofers.

A Sergeant Major I knew had "no you can't " on his flashlight worn in plain sight on Army gear
post #1888 of 2776
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

I agree and again max output is not the most important factor. If my budget was limited to 800.00, I would go with 2 klipsch rw12's since i like the balance of 2 subs better than 1, even if the 1 has more output.

There's also differences in SQ to consider as well. There are $800 subwoofers that can equal the RW-12d output that will have better low frequency extension and better decay.
post #1889 of 2776
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

There's also differences in SQ to consider as well. There are $800 subwoofers that can equal the RW-12d output that will have better low frequency extension and better decay.

agreed!
post #1890 of 2776
is upgrading to the klipsch rw-12 worth the trouble of selling a bic f-12? well what i mean is i have a bic f-12 and wanting to upgrade. but selling it would be a little hassle. if the klipsch is a pretty good upgrade i would

also, is it about the same size as the bic? theres only one spot i can place the sub, in a corner, and its a pretty tight fit already. if the klipsch isnt too much better i would be good to go
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