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Originally Posted by Louquid View Post

If only I didn't live in an apartment complex. biggrin.gif

Just make sure you put one of these under your subwoofers.
Then you'll be good to go and your neighbors will thank you. wink.gif
post #332 of 2776
Dumb, I submitted a new order following the instructions of Newegg, and it was voided because it exceeded the capacity limit of 5 per customer. They said this limit is per 48 hour period, and that I should try again tomorrow. I expressed concern that this could mean the item sells out, and the rep promised me that there is no way these will be sold out by then.

I hope that's true, otherwise they will have one VERY UPSET customer on their hands.
post #333 of 2776
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Just make sure you put one of these under your subwoofers.
Then you'll be good to go and your neighbors will thank you. wink.gif

I would read this first:
http://billfitzmaurice.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19112
post #334 of 2776
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

I would read this first:
http://billfitzmaurice.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19112

That whole post is total bs.

When it comes to everything subwoofers, I only trust the opinion of Big Daddy.
post #335 of 2776
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Just make sure you put one of these under your subwoofers.
Then you'll be good to go and your neighbors will thank you. wink.gif

Having an orbit shifter that shakes my entire house, I don't think that will do much good....
post #336 of 2776
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Originally Posted by bobby2478 View Post

... I'm talking about having to have everything perfect sound wise and splurging on a $20,000 media room because only the absolute best of everything will do, which is overkill for most average listeners.

There you go. We're not the average bear and neither are you. If it helps, it's a hobby. What to do with your spare time to give the mundane interest? Shall we spend $2k on skies, plus the price of a decent room and weekend lift tickets for Mammoth Mountain, CA.. At fifteen thousand feet, shall we jump out of a perfectly good plane over the Mojave? Shall we spend $2,500.00 on a decent bicycle and ride Death Valley in March? Shall we take a leisurely ride on a train through wine country and pay too much for a bottle of wine just to justify the rib-eye we finished burning on the grill? Maybe a trip to Sturgis, MT to do shooters and get a really fine hangover to tell your kids about? Add your favorite things to do here that qualify as a complete and total waste of good responsible use of your money.

What shall we do with our time and money that's "me time" oriented? The Hokie-Pokie; that's what it's all about. tongue.gif

(I'm jesting with you in response to your above. I'm not bagging on you)

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I'm sure there are others out there that are much more powerful, and likely cost 3x-4x as much also. So from MY perspective, not saying anyone else will or has to agree with me, that I feel that for my needs the RW12D has more then enough power to support my average listening requirements.

Aaaaaaah yes. The beauty of not knowing the difference. As one's awareness improves, so will their tastes in cigars, beer, wine, woman and song. At the price point of the RW-12d, pretty much, I'd say the RW-12d is the "King of the Hill." But by comparison to other subs on other hills, it would be safe to say that the hill the RW-12d is on, is a hill that's easy to climb.

(Disclosure, I'm a Klipsch kind-of-guy who has an all Klipsch speaker/subwoofer, 5.2, Home Theater system.)

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 1/4/13 at 1:18pm
post #337 of 2776
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Ignorance is bliss. Before I had gotten my Bic f12 I couldn't really imagine what a "good" sub would sound like, coming from an HTIB. The second I watched a movie with bass below 40hz I was amazed. Jaw was on the floor practically.

I couldn't imagine what could possibly sound better, until I heard something better. Now, I'm trying to decide if I want to take the stairs or the elevator.
post #339 of 2776
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

That whole post is total bs.
When it comes to everything subwoofers, I only trust the opinion of Big Daddy.

LOL, did you even read the post? He measured multiple subs in multiple locations using isolation pads and spikes and not using them and there was no measurable difference:
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The Truth: Both are lying. Isolation and coupling makes no difference. To test this I measured the response of my THT and my David with the test mic in the room, in the next room, and in the room below, with the cabinet sitting on the carpeted floor, on four inches of high density acoustic foam, on rubber feet and on spikes. I’d post the measured results for each set of comparisons, but there would be no point. In each case the measured responses of the four options were identical.
Note that this was on a carpeted floor. There may be some slight benefits to isolation devices or rubber feet on a bare floor, or on a bare shelf or stand. But you never want a bare floor, it’s an acoustical nightmare. If you only have area rugs in your listening room stick a piece of felt carpet padding, a carpet scrap or rubber feet under your speaker. If you're using bookshelves on a bare shelf or stand small rubber feet or felt pads are all you need to prevent spurious vibrations.

Big Daddy is a great guy with good knowledge but Bill F actually designs and builds speakers for a living. I think he knows what he is talking about smile.gif
post #340 of 2776
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Originally Posted by Louquid View Post

Ignorance is bliss. Before I had gotten my Bic f12 I couldn't really imagine what a "good" sub would sound like, coming from an HTIB. The second I watched a movie with bass below 40hz I was amazed. Jaw was on the floor practically.
I couldn't imagine what could possibly sound better, until I heard something better. Now, I'm trying to decide if I want to take the stairs or the elevator.

Go DIY brother.. Unless you got lots of expendable cash smile.gif
post #341 of 2776
Now that the sub is sounding great... I'm wondering if it's time to upgrade the Polk M60 fronts.
This is probably the wrong thread but any recommendations that are similar bang-for-your-buck like the rw-12d ?
post #342 of 2776
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Originally Posted by skidog View Post

I know many people have had good experiences with neweggs customer service but I didn't. I ordered 2 of these subs and one was missing the power cord, so I called them and after 45 mins finally got ahold of someone se was nice and told me to call Klipsch and in the meantime she would ask the warehouse if they had any cords but it would take 2 days to hear back so to go ahead and call Klipsh.
Called Klipsch and they told me they couldn't help so I waited for the email from newegg. Well after a week or so I got the email asking what condition the subs were in when I recieved them. They wanted to know before asking the warehouse for a cord. I replied saying they were in pristine shape and resent the email. I got a reply saying they were going to see if they could come up with a cord and if I don't hear back in 7 days I could respond directly to the email or call. Well I never heard back so I responded to the email and have still not heard anything. This has been going on for over a month.
I have a power cord I'm using which doesn't fit all that great and it's for a three prong application not two, which may or may not be a big deal. The point is it's a damn power cord i can't believe they don't have any from returned units that were wrecked and if I could find the right power cord I a store locally I would buy it but I can't.
Anyway I hope you have better luck than I have been having.
In fact now that I'm crabby about the issue again I think I'll try and call them.
So far loving my Subs anyway.smile.gif

Thought I would give an update in case anyone cares.
Called Newegg again and got ahold of a nice csr and explained the situation. She put me on hold and and contacted someone in the warehouse who told her they did not have any cords. She then informed me she would send me a return label and I could return it and they would send me a new one. I was like that seems kinda dumb for a cord, canabalizing a new sub in the warehouse and taking the cord would be cheaper. Anyway I didn't want to go through the hassle and possibly end up with a sub that had broken port tubes etc. I instead told her I would buy it from Klipsch if they would refund the price of the cord and she agreed. So Klipsh doesn't have the cords in stock, they are on back order. Considering they don't make this sub anymore I doubt they will get anymore, so I was able to find one place online that has these cords, 5 bucks for the cord and 15 for shipping, done. Suprisingly she called me back the next night to see what i came up with.smile.gif So Newegg redeemed themselves as far as I'm concerned.

As an aside I was watching Aliens the other night and the rumbling of the ship had my tv vibrating so the text on the screen was visibly shaking!biggrin.gif
Makes me want 2 more. j/k
When I upgrade I think I'm going with 2 Rythmik FV15hp's or maybe.....
post #343 of 2776
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Originally Posted by skidog View Post

As an aside I was watching Aliens the other night and the rumbling of the ship had my tv vibrating so the text on the screen was visibly shaking!biggrin.gif

And this is the mind when on subwoofers. tongue.gif

Congrats on getting the sub power cord problem taken care of and profs to the CSR who, obviously, when out of their way to make sure you were taken care of.
post #344 of 2776
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Originally Posted by bobby2478 View Post

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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Who "needs" a sub? What does being an audiophool have to do with it ? wink.gif As to whether an RW12D is relatively powerful...look at the charts at www.data-bass.com for some powerful subs. smile.gif
Personally I have 3 subs in my living room (large room, and somewhat open to a stairwell, and when sliding doors are open, open to even more), an Epik Empire (dual opposed 15" drivers) and two Infinity PSW310's (10" drivers each with two 10" passive radiators). I almost bought another Empire used but my wallet screamed no due to excessive car/medical/xmas expenses, though. My RW12D is in the bedroom.

You'll note I asked who "needs" more then 2 subs, I never asked who "needs" a sub. And being an audiophile has nothing to do with having a subwoofer or 2, I'm talking about having to have everything perfect sound wise and splurging on a $20,000 media room because only the absolute best of everything will do, which is overkill for most average listeners.

And I definitely am not going to get into, nor was it my intention to get into, an argument about the power of the RW12D vs the biggest baddest woofers on the market. I was simply trying to say I have the old RW12, and for my tastes, I was more then satisfied with the power this had. I'm sure there are others out there that are much more powerful, and likely cost 3x-4x as much also. So from MY perspective, not saying anyone else will or has to agree with me, that I feel that for my needs the RW12D has more then enough power to support my average listening requirements.

I think you took my post a bit "too serious, son" smile.gif

Who's arguing? Guys who post about subwoofers have nothing to do with average listeners. We're nuts as far as they're concerned. They'd be super happy with a nice soundbar or satisfied with crappy earbuds listening to some mp3s on their phone or a current flat panel's built-in speakers smile.gif The RW12D is a good deal, but it has it's limits, it's definitely not in the class of subs offered at it's MSRP, that's why they have to sell them at the sale price. My Empire is waaay better and it sold for the MSRP on the Klipsch...

However, I think two (or more) RW12Ds would do most folk very nicely.

As to being an audiophile, I think the word is overused. Seems to have been usurped by the charlatans selling snake oil wire and power cords rolleyes.gif using wine critic language to sell/justify/rationalize their golden ears. Me, I just like good audio and significant spl smile.gif. You might be hard pressed to do the best at $20k, too. Four Submersive HPs alone would be a bit more than half of that smile.gif.
post #345 of 2776
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Originally Posted by defdog99 View Post

Ever try turning up the volume on the sub instead of ordering two or four ? ;-)
Yes. More subs are just better. No point pushing my sub at max volume, then turning the Avr all the way up just to get enough bass
post #346 of 2776
Don't know who's lying or not but...

I have hardwood flooring in a condo. I had a problem with the 12D shaking and rattling the floor and annoying the neighbors. Instead of buying a snake oil expensive riser, I went to the local carpet store and bought a 20x16 medium thickness carpet remnant and put it under the sub. Problem solved for only $10 (it even made the sub sound better due to the absorption quality of the remnant).
post #347 of 2776
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

I think you took my post a bit "too serious, son" smile.gif
Who's arguing? Guys who post about subwoofers have nothing to do with average listeners. We're nuts as far as they're concerned. They'd be super happy with a nice soundbar or satisfied with crappy earbuds listening to some mp3s on their phone or a current flat panel's built-in speakers smile.gif The RW12D is a good deal, but it has it's limits, it's definitely not in the class of subs offered at it's MSRP, that's why they have to sell them at the sale price. My Empire is waaay better and it sold for the MSRP on the Klipsch...
However, I think two (or more) RW12Ds would do most folk very nicely.
As to being an audiophile, I think the word is overused. Seems to have been usurped by the charlatans selling snake oil wire and power cords rolleyes.gif using wine critic language to sell/justify/rationalize their golden ears. Me, I just like good audio and significant spl smile.gif. You might be hard pressed to do the best at $20k, too. Four Submersive HPs alone would be a bit more than half of that smile.gif.

Perhaps my reply didn't come across the right way, my apologies as I didn't mean to come across as upset. I've just read forum after forum on the RW-12D, and I'm VERY aware of it's limitations, so everytime someone repeats common knowledge that at $700 you could do much better than the Klipsch, the it's just telling me something I'm already very aware of. But at $300, it's a good deal, and frankly is the ONLY reason I'm buying the RW-12D. I already had a RW-12 (basically the same sub) that I got for $320 years back, and at that price I was very satisfied with it's performance (even if it isn't perfect and has limitations). I likely wouldn't say the same if I had paid full price of $700. However even at the $300 price, people say to buy the HSU STF-2 or other subs even if you spend a little more because they are better (to what degree varies, some people say it's drastically better, others say only marginally). So I never meant to insinuate that the Klipsch is the best sub out there, I simply meant to say that at $300 I was satisfied, even if there are "better" options that might cost a little more.

My other main criteria is potential resale down the road, and I know I'll have MUCH better luck selling a brand name like Klipsch and trying to recoup most of my $300 then an internet sub company that most people have never heard of before like HSU or others, even if the quality of their subs is outstanding and trumps the Klipsch. Only people who read forums like this would know anything about them, and most people on Craigslist looking for a sub likely aren't that knowledgeable. Almost everyone has heard of Klipsch at least.

I agree "audiophile" is overused and could mean just about anything. What I meant was someone who has sound meters and computer programs and fine tunes their room for the very best acoustical performance. Someone who can listen to a $1,000 speaker and find faults in it's frequency response. Kind of like fine wine connoiseurs who can find something wrong with every bottle of wine they taste and send them back as "corked" when there is probably nothing wrong with the bottle in the first place, they're just trying to impress their date or someone as being knowledgeable. No matter what type of stereo equipment you're looking at, a true "audiophile" will find something to complain about. If I was listening to a Best-Buy special speaker or receiver then I'd complain too as this is crap compared to higher end equipment. A $1,000 Yamaha or Denon receiver would blow the doors off a cheap $200 Sony at Best Buy. Even the $1,000 Yamaha or Denon (which would be MORE then plenty to about 90% of people) would be garbage compared to a $5,000 or $10,000 receiver, and thus would say you should spend $5,000 on something better even though to a vast majority of people the $1,000 Yamaha would be more then enough and quite frankly be vastly better then almost anything their friends have. That was where I was going. To these people, they'd never be satisfied with only 2 subwoofers even if they would be more then enough for most people, they will have to do 4 even if the difference between 2 and 4 is only marginal.
post #348 of 2776
Ok, so I got back to school, put the subwoofer feet on and checked the front plastic which looks to be on securely but I can fit a piece of paper inbetween it so I dunno maybe not? Either way though I feel like I'm still hearing a distortion from the sub. Like that sound you hear when you hear really low quality subs that people overdrive all day.It sounds like that and I'm barely at past half volume. I'm thinking I might need to RMA now but is it worth it sending this sub back if it's broken? I mean shipping would be horrible. If I had to pay anything over 50 dollars it definitely wouldn't be worth it. Even 50 is bad as is.

Edit: Or it's a wall rattling.... I think it's a wall rattling very loudly. That and my door. Damn it this sub confuses me sometimes I think it's broken but my fraternity house's walls are so ****ed you don't even know lol.
Edited by tential - 1/5/13 at 11:51am
post #349 of 2776
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

Big Daddy is a great guy with good knowledge but Bill F actually designs and builds speakers for a living. I think he knows what he is talking about smile.gif

Big Daddy designed and built many of the subwoofers in his home theater setup.
I think he has like a dozen scattered throughout his HT.
The man has more knowledge of all things concerning subwoofers than anybody else on the planet.
I believe Big Daddy knows what he's talking about. smile.gif
post #350 of 2776
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Big Daddy designed and built many of the subwoofers in his home theater setup.
I think he has like a dozen scattered throughout his HT.
The man has more knowledge of all things concerning subwoofers than anybody else on the planet.
I believe Big Daddy knows what he's talking about. smile.gif
If he's so good why does a Google search of his name turn up nothing?
Real live speaker designers like me, Earl Geddes, Tom Danley, Wayne Parham, Dr. Hsu, Tom Vodhanel, Mark Seaton and so on don't use monikers. And we don't work for companies. We own them.
I agree that whoever he is he does have some chops, but to claim that risers do anything, let alone give a magical 10dB increase in output, is just plain silly. If they did not only would those of us who do design and manufacture subs endorse them, we'd sell them.
I'm sure you find him to be pedestal worthy, but to do so he doesn't have to know what myself and my colleagues do. He only has to know more than you do.
Edited by Bill Fitzmaurice - 1/6/13 at 6:14am
post #351 of 2776
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Originally Posted by tential View Post

Ok, so I got back to school, put the subwoofer feet on and checked the front plastic which looks to be on securely but I can fit a piece of paper inbetween it so I dunno maybe not? Either way though I feel like I'm still hearing a distortion from the sub. Like that sound you hear when you hear really low quality subs that people overdrive all day.It sounds like that and I'm barely at past half volume. I'm thinking I might need to RMA now but is it worth it sending this sub back if it's broken? I mean shipping would be horrible. If I had to pay anything over 50 dollars it definitely wouldn't be worth it. Even 50 is bad as is.

Edit: Or it's a wall rattling.... I think it's a wall rattling very loudly. That and my door. Damn it this sub confuses me sometimes I think it's broken but my fraternity house's walls are so ****ed you don't even know lol.

Why do you have the volume at past 50%? Sounds like you're running it pretty hot.

To test rattles find that passage that will rattle things for a period of time and play it and walk around,, play it and walk around...I had the weirdest rattle in my bedroom for a while, thought it was a glass doored bookcase, thought it was the windows, thought it was a clothes hanger rack on the door....but after listening closely in each location I finally figured out it was a little piece of stained glass artwork my sister had put together and given me, I had it up against the wall between the bookcase and the window....and it was buzzing away so I put it away and voila...a solid room again!
post #352 of 2776
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

To test rattles find that passage that will rattle things for a period of time and play it and walk around,, play it and walk around.!
Most rattles are resonances that take place at one frequency, so the way to find them is to download a sine wave generator to your computer (freeware is out there) and sweep the generator until you find the offending frequency. Finding what's resonating is easy then. But you probably will have more than one object resonating at more than one frequency, so it will take more than one pass to find them all.
While what's making the noise might be a small object, small objects don't resonate at low frequencies. Large objects, like walls, doors, shelves and tables, do, and the object making the noise is in turn being vibrated by it. Like a doorknob, for instance.
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Just wanted to say I received my 3rd RW-12D and man did they do a great job at boxing it up.  It had a GIANT outer  box that had Styrofoam on all four sides...super thick.  They must have learned what UPS can do to boxes.

 

Still haven't fired it up yet...but I am feeling good. 

post #354 of 2776
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

Just wanted to say I received my 3rd RW-12D and man did they do a great job at boxing it up.  It had a GIANT outer  box that had Styrofoam on all four sides...super thick.  They must have learned what UPS can do to boxes.

Still haven't fired it up yet...but I am feeling good. 

From what I saw on the boards that was the solution to the original idiotic idea of shipping it otherwise (i.e. in just the retail box).
post #355 of 2776
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Originally Posted by tential View Post

Ok, so I got back to school, put the subwoofer feet on and checked the front plastic which looks to be on securely but I can fit a piece of paper inbetween it so I dunno maybe not? Either way though I feel like I'm still hearing a distortion from the sub. Like that sound you hear when you hear really low quality subs that people overdrive all day.It sounds like that and I'm barely at past half volume. I'm thinking I might need to RMA now but is it worth it sending this sub back if it's broken? I mean shipping would be horrible. If I had to pay anything over 50 dollars it definitely wouldn't be worth it. Even 50 is bad as is.
Edit: Or it's a wall rattling.... I think it's a wall rattling very loudly. That and my door. Damn it this sub confuses me sometimes I think it's broken but my fraternity house's walls are so ****ed you don't even know lol.

I purchased 2 just after Black Friday (upgraded from a Paradigm PS-1000). One is definitely rattling more than the other. More noticeable when playing music, but I can put my hand in the port and stop the rattling. I'm not sure what options I have at this point, but one may be turning it down and sacrificing some bass.
Edited by rockett4 - 1/9/13 at 10:52am
post #356 of 2776
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Why do you have the volume at past 50%? Sounds like you're running it pretty hot.
To test rattles find that passage that will rattle things for a period of time and play it and walk around,, play it and walk around...I had the weirdest rattle in my bedroom for a while, thought it was a glass doored bookcase, thought it was the windows, thought it was a clothes hanger rack on the door....but after listening closely in each location I finally figured out it was a little piece of stained glass artwork my sister had put together and given me, I had it up against the wall between the bookcase and the window....and it was buzzing away so I put it away and voila...a solid room again!

I purchased 2 just after Black Friday (upgraded from a Paradigm PS-1000). One is definitely rattling more than the other. More noticeable when playing music, but I can put my hand in the port and stop the rattling. I'm not sure what options I have at this point, but one may be turning it down and sacrificing some bass.

?? I'm talking about rattles in the room, not the sub itself....read back in this thread, there are some suggestions for the port rattle in the sub itself....
post #357 of 2776
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

?? I'm talking about rattles in the room, not the sub itself....read back in this thread, there are some suggestions for the port rattle in the sub itself....

I tried to multi-quote in response to Tential's note, but it only captured your note about the walls. Sorry for the confusion.
Also, I was merely adding a data point, not looking for a solution with that post. I have been lurking in this forum since the day I bought them. Page 10 has been very informative, but unfortunately I'm still having the issue. I'll continue to play with it.

Rattling aside, I am very impressed with the subs, especially movies.
post #358 of 2776
I got my 2nd one hooked up. They are fantastic, now the bass is just there, not coming from somewhere. I'm amazed how well they blend together.

They also sound quieter overall at the same volume level with 2 versus 1.
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Originally Posted by Eric_Connelly View Post

I got my 2nd one hooked up. They are fantastic, now the bass is just there, not coming from somewhere. I'm amazed how well they blend together.

They also sound quieter overall at the same volume level with 2 versus 1.

How did you set level on the duals? What room correction/bass management do you use? Maybe you did set level lower...
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post


How did you set level on the duals? What room correction/bass management do you use? Maybe you did set level lower...

 

This is the thread you want to read....

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1282064/two-subs-gain-matching-vs-level-matching

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