Klipsch RW-12d on sale for $299 at Newegg.com again today! - Page 18

So, you don't like the Velodyne EQ-Max 15"?

Didn't even look it up until just now, $550 seems a good price for it (although a Velodyne's MSRP is usually much higher than an equivalent sub from the ID world let alone the Klipsch on sale at $300 delivered). Does that include shipping? However, two subs give a big room better and smoother fr across the room than a single can and for roughly the same money I'd go with two over one.

PS The eq feature is nice but better AVRs would do that for you anyways.

+1

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/eq-max-15/eq-max-15-measurements

The rw has a built in eq also. It doesn't look like the velodyne goes any lower than the rw even though its a 15. It has more output than the rw but that's why you should get 2. That should give you better overall sound in the room than just the velodyne alone.
Edited by Bond 007 - 1/29/13 at 9:58pm

thanks!

The Klipsch eq is a different beast, you just get three pre-determined eq settings with the Klipsch, the Velodyne comes with 4 plus has room correction eq capability. Definitely would dig deeper, too. I'd still go with two of the Klipsch if that's your budget. Now if you could do two of the Veloydynes, that would be better!

It is a more comprehensive eq but all that can be done with most receivers. And it doesn't really go much deeper either. Did you read the article? It was measured at 23 but didn't seem to do it distortion free. 30 and above was where it did well.

It's possible. But I've bought refurbs before and granted there's no substantial difference between new and good refurbs, this one looks brand new with all manual and registration card for full warranty support. If newegg has a racket going, it's a fairly convincing one

The L & R input jacks are hooked together inside the Subwoofer. The difference between hooking up one input or two is that hooking up both inputs increases the gain. As long as you aren't running out of gain, it doesn't matter.

Yep, my comment was before I got one. The manual is for several models, and indicates there's an LFE but doesn't appear the case with the RW12D.

Arny, if you only have one sub out and split it you wouldn't get additional gain, would you? Wouldn't that only apply if you have L/R preouts to feed it with?

Actually, no, misread the spec on the datasheet for the Velodyne. Overall down to 14hz it says, doesn't mention it's practically useless output....a sub company like them should be ashamed of themselves for even intimating the possibility with that rolloff curve! Does it really have more output? Don't think I've seen a max output test on the RW12D....

Quite right. The original Klipsch manufacturer's box rides inside a larger, styrofoam buffered box. Styrofoam on all four corners and sides, in fact. The Klipsch box seemed pretty well padded also (styrofoam again). Not well enough to withstand the United Parcel Shredders, perhaps, hence the reason for the second box.

I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary about mine (nicks, scrapes, etc), which was just delivered yesterday. I was disappointed in the port tube having come loose in transit. But, it was moved back into place easily enough (I'm not a fan of fixing things I've paid three bills for, but less a fan of waiting another two weeks for a replacement). Other than the port tube, it was fine. Listening to Steely Dan right now and enjoying the addition.

Bond may say "I told you so". In a different thread he mentioned I'd want a sub after getting new towers. Now I see why. It's a totally different/better experience. And at $299 this one seemed like a good value from everything I've been reading. Happy Happy.

Well now I am curious.

What type of power cable is everyone else receiving from newegg? I ask because when I look at the images on newegg's website for this sub, the cable shown looks like the one I'd received!! The question then is, how is everyone able to hook that up to the sub which has a different plug?

I should have said that the Velodyne PROBABLY has more output. But considering that it is a 15" with 750rms it would be very strange if it didn't.

How is it a different plug? When I look at the Newegg images of the cable and the back plate of the sub, it matches perfectly (male/female).

If you have only one sub out and split it and feed the splits back into both the L & R inputs, you can reasonably expect a 6 dB gain increase over just using one input. This happens because there is an internal summing amplifier in the subwoofer that adds the two signals together. 1 + 1 = 2 and x2 is the same as + 6 dB.

Good to remember if you want more bass and everything else is already turned up all the way. However, doing this could be a slight disadvantage if you end up turning down the LFE output in the AVR to compensate for the extra gain in the sub.

You generally want to push the LFE output as high as you can without causing it to clip, especially if there are any problems with hum in the sub. The strategy is to try to force the gain control on the sub as low as possible consistent with good operation in other areas.
Edited by arnyk - 1/31/13 at 5:37am

So if you have 2 subs run off of one sub out on the AVR and put one splitter into the AVR out then had two more splitters hooked into the first and ran 2 lines to each sub you would get the 6 db gain?
Or am I wrong?

These are NOT refurbs. I got 4 and all 4 looked brand new. It isn't that difficult for the people at the Klipsch packing line to forget to stuff a power cord or instruction booklet in a box when they are processing tons of them. All units I got looked brand new, no way they were refurbed. Plus, Newegg couldn't legally list them as NEW if they were refurbished. They sell other items that are refurbished and clearly spell this out in the item description.

I don't think they have any more problems with their subs then other manufacturers do with their products. Occasionally there are going to be a lemon or 2 that people end up with, that's not to say they are all crap. You only hear about the ones with problems. You never hear anything about the ones that work as expected.

I have 2 subs and took my single LFE output from my receiver and split this into 2, then ran 1 cable from the split to the left RCA input on the back of each subwoofer. I then changed the setting for each sub for LFE (under crossover). You don't need to use both L and R inputs on the back, only one or the other (LFE signal isn't stereo). Then adjust your crossover setting on the subwoofer to reflect LFE and you're good to go.

Interesting, first I've ever heard of this. Can anyone else confirm that simply by splitting a single LFE cable from your receiver into 2 cables, and hooking up to both the L and R RCA inputs on the back of the subwoofer (as opposed to running the single LFE cable to only the L or the R input), that this makes the sub louder (+6 dB)?

Unlike boosting the input signal by adding extra power, which will result in your sub being louder, you're just taking the same signal and splitting it into 2 vs not splitting it and running straight into your subwoofer. If your single LFE was outputting 3 dB from the receiver, then splitting it in half would still only give you 3 dB (1.5 + 1.5 = 3)
Edited by bobby2478 - 1/31/13 at 11:37am

You're not splitting the signal in half. You are doubling it by using a y at the sub.

What are the recommendations for getting audyssey multieq dialed in?

Single input instead of dual?
Set the sub at flat or punch?
What gain seeing?
Do most run their sub hot after audyssey sets the level?
Does seeing the eq to punch throw of audyssey?

Well mine shipped with this cable


Certainly can't fit the sub


I had to use this cable I had lying around

Yeah, that's a wrong cable. It's not the cable that's shown on newegg's website though:

Set the sub at flat to run Audyssey and then most people use punch for music and depth for movies if they change it at all. Start with a gain setting of -10 until you get as close to 0 as you can on the receiver. Single input on the left side.

I meant the source signal is coming in 1 cable. This source signal is at a certain volume or signal strength from your receiver. You then split it in half using a Y adapter, so you now have signal going into each channel. I think however because it is LFE, it is very low power and so the Y adapter doesn't impact the source signal strength. Think of car audio however, if you were running a set of RCA's to your amp for your regular speakers, and you put Y adapters on those RCA's, you're weakening the signal going into the amp. Which is why when shopping for a receiver you can look for one that has 4v preamp outputs, which results in a more powerful source signal being fed to your amplifier, which means your amp can produce that sound without the gains being turned up to compensate for a weaker signal.

I think what happens in this case is the subwoofer amp is a 2 channel amp, and the sub is only a single voice coil. The amp has 2 +, and 2 -, one for each channel. However the sub only has 1 + and 1 - because it isn't a dual voice coil. The amp may be bridging the 2 channels together, so by having a signal coming into both inputs it results in more sound coming through the speaker as you have 2 signals getting amplified instead of only 1.

I tried it last night and I did notice an improvement. Nothing dramatic, but I could notice the bass was more loud and more powerful with both channels hooked up rather then the single I was using previously. For the $5 or so a set of Y splitters will run you, I'd say it's worth a shot.

You have basically just repeated the arnyk post that you were questioning.

Yeah, either Klipsch messed up or newegg is opening these and then repacking everything in their outer box.

The correct power cord is YC-11 10amp 125volt the only place I could find one was at www.stayonline.com the cord was 5 dollars and shipping was 14.84. New Egg then credited my credit card. Klipsch had them on back order and that cord is only used on 2 of their subs and I don't know if the other one is discontinued as well but if it is I doubt they will get any more cords. why they used this style power cord is beyond me but I'm sure some Engineer has a perfectly good explanation!

I'm glad my ugly habit of hoarding old electronics parts finally saved me at least $19.84 and some waiting. Now if someone could find a use for a bunch of old Pentium II processors or internal CD drives I'd strike gold!

We do become emotionally attached to the stuff in our junk box. It is hard to sort out the older and only keep the old. But it's always nice to be able to go to "that" box, knowing there's an excellent chance of finding a much need solution to a pending problem.

(I know I have one of those in here somewhere.)