Originally Posted by dacdd
Having owned a 60st50 and 60e7000 I'm very happy with the e7000. The st50 only excels at blu ray, HD cable looked terrible.
HD cable is usually poor quality and in some towns/cities it does look downright terrible. It looks terrible on my friend's PND7000, but i know it's not the TV (which looks very good otherwise), it's his crappy cable source (TWC in West Los Angeles). My SIL lives in the same area and it looks pretty much equally terrible on her Panasonic S2. My particular TWC provider actually has much better-than-average picture quality and the local broadcast channels are only slightly worse than OTA, and my GT50 handles it just fine.
The Panasonic's image on anything less then blu ray was super soft and hardly HD. The Samsung dominates the Panasonic with all around viewing.
Dominates? That can't possibly be true. There must have been something wrong with your sources, or with the TV, or with your settings then because HD on my GT50 does not look "super soft" or "hardly HD". It's crisp and clear and pops much better than my bud's D7000, mostly because the GT50 is brighter and has a superior black level and contrast ratio. It's obviously HD and it looks great. There has to be a reason why the Panasonic beat the Samsung in the big VE HDTV Shootout - that wouldn't have happened if the Samsung were truly dominant as you claim.
I expect the Panasonic lovers will come and flame me anytime now, but its not my opinion its a fact the Samsung outperforms the Panasonic easily across sources
Dude, nobody is going to flame you for your opinion as your opinion is shared by many people here - especially the Samsung owners, but when you start proclaiming that "the Samsung outperforms the Panasonic easily across sources" and saying it's a FACT
then people are going to call you out on it. And your comment about "Panasonic lovers" has an adversarial tone to it.
The Samsung handles every source superbly with a very sharp and clear picture while the Panasonic too me just looks out of focus compared to it.
And to other people the Panasonic looks just as sharp and clear as the Samsung - especially on 1080i and 1080p content. You don't share their opinion, and they don't share your opinion. Whats' the big deal? I don't think anyone will argue that the Samsung handles poorer sources better than the Panasonic does. But you can't say the Samsung handles every source better than the Panasonic because that's just not true - especially considering that sharpness is only one of many aspects of overall picture quality.
Is the st50/gt50/vt50 better for viewing blurays in a dark room? YES. but I stream I watch HD cable I game and I watch blurays and for my purposes the Samsung is the clear winner.
But what is a winner for YOUR purposes is not necessarily a winner for other people's purposes. The OP is looking for something comparable to his 9G Kuro, and the Panasonics fit that bill way moreso than the Samsungs do.
The black levels on Panasonic are better, undeniable. But were talking like .004 vs .002 that's really not a dramatic difference I felt besides black levels in a dark room the Samsung performed better everywhere else.
The black level (and contrast ratio) difference between the 2012 Samsungs and 2012 Panasonics is profound when comparing them side by side and these are two very important attributes when determining picture quality. I can't understand why you'd minimize this yet focus on overall sharpness and proclaim the Samsung dominant.
I can call it FACT that the samsung is crisper sharper and clearer because I had both and its blatanly obvious
Well if you're talking just about this then yes i would say that plenty of Panasonic owners/lovers would probably agree with you when it comes to anything less than 1080p Blu-Ray content. HD programming (especially on the 720p channels) and even regular DVDs do look crisper and sharper on the Samsungs this year and i actually prefer a sharper/crisper image, but to me (and many other people here including some Samsung owners) that extra sharpness/crispness looks overly sharpened and somewhat un-natural, further hindered by excessive edge enhancement (which i believe is undefeatable on the Sammy). My GT50 does look relatively softer on low quality content and on some 720p content but on 1080i HD programming it looks plenty sharp and is very natural looking.Edited by RandyWalters - 12/9/12 at 4:42pm