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post #31 of 181
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Originally Posted by ncarty97 View Post

Would love to do that as well, but I'm a bit confused how this would work really. The HDHR-Prime just serves the liveTV feed. Is it saying that Device A records a copy-once program and through the HDHR-Prime, Device-B can view it? Because really, that's the only pitfall I have right now, not being able to watch copy-once on more than one device.

Being a network attached device it can do whatever the f/w tells it to do I think. So feeding recorded data out to another device is a posibility. It is also a posibility to feed copy-protected content to another device with the appropriate DRM scheme in place.

The big question is, what devices besides PS3? It'd be nice if there were a streamer in the $100 to $150 range that worked with the HDHR Prime and also played high bit rate mkv's with HD Audio without stuttering too.

We will see what comes forth from this development. Apparently the f/w is near but the playback devices are not as close to being ready to go.
Edited by Sammy2 - 12/5/12 at 9:29am
post #32 of 181
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

I wondered why they didn't push it more since both Dish and DirecTV support DTCP-IP

I'd guess that it probably comes down to lack of interest from the MSOs, but I'll make sure to ask them about it next time we talk (probably be at CES).
post #33 of 181
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

I'd guess that it probably comes down to lack of interest from the MSOs, but I'll make sure to ask them about it next time we talk (probably be at CES).

Nice. Maybe dig up what other DLNA devices are in the works that work with this besides PS3 too. Thinking small and low power without the need for games or a monthly subscription.
post #34 of 181
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Nice. Maybe dig up what other DLNA devices are in the works that work with this besides PS3 too. Thinking small and low power without the need for games or a monthly subscription.

The major blocking point is the need for MPEG-2 support. Many of the little black box streamers don't.
post #35 of 181

RE: Silicondust HDHomerun + DLNA = LiveTV on almost any device?

I have a hdhomerun prime and it works great.

Issue is all HD channels other than the locals arr protected. Most have copy once protection. Meaning you cannot watch the recorded show on another computer/device other than the one it was recorded to. Currently there is no way around this.

Granted media center isn't the best, an htpc is way better than any other device currently.

If I could get dvrmstoolbox to skip commercials in windows 8 it would be amazing. Other than that I don't see anything another device could do better or easier than a htpc. I just wish there were better remotes/keyboards for htpc.

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post #36 of 181
I guess you are correct in that there isn't another device to do this right now although the echo is real close and it looks as if the HDHR Prime is going to have another way real soon. We are talking about the (near) future here, not what is available right now. If I can have very small and low power that does Copy Protected content and streams from my library I am a very happy person. I think this is going to be a truth sooner rather than later.
post #37 of 181
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

The major blocking point is the need for MPEG-2 support. Many of the little black box streamers don't.

Do you know which ones do off hand? Don't make a research project out of it but you review a LOT of this stuff..
post #38 of 181
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

I'd guess that it probably comes down to lack of interest from the MSOs, but I'll make sure to ask them about it next time we talk (probably be at CES).
Please do. I'm not even sure they would need MSO support. Once both they and the MSO supports DTCP-IP, they should be able to implement it (as long as they use an approved encryption mechanism). Blonder Tongue does this with their EdgeQAM devices using Pro:Idiom encryption (one of the approved encryptions schemes for DTCP-IP). EQAM-400B for Dish and EQAM-430A for DirecTV.
post #39 of 181
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Do you know which ones do off hand? Don't make a research project out of it but you review a LOT of this stuff..

I can't name one that does with confidence, although the recent Netgear NTV300x might (will check that). They are also supposed to support HLS and have an open SDK at some point.

Roku does not, and I'm pretty sure that the ATV doesn't either.
post #40 of 181
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

I can't name one that does with confidence, although the recent Netgear NTV300x might (will check that). They are also supposed to support HLS and have an open SDK at some point.
Roku does not, and I'm pretty sure that the ATV doesn't either.

Thank you.. I was looking at the latest Popcorn Hour and the spec said MPEG2 on iboum.com but that could be wrong too. It is a > $200 device though. Might as well stick with the Echo at that price point but I'm always looking for alternatives.
post #41 of 181
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Do you know which ones do off hand? Don't make a research project out of it but you review a LOT of this stuff..

Raspberry Pi smile.gif

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1839
post #42 of 181
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

Raspberry Pi smile.gif
http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1839

Good call!
post #43 of 181
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

Raspberry Pi smile.gif
http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1839

Nice, I have one already. So now all we need is a plugin/app that works with XBMC and the prime biggrin.gif
post #44 of 181
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Originally Posted by Diverge View Post

Nice, I have one already. So now all we need is a plugin/app that works with XBMC and the prime biggrin.gif

That would be amazing. Pi + XBMC + LiveTV would be just about the holy grail of HTPC's!
post #45 of 181
I'd love to see if this will work for the WD TV Live's. I need a cheap, simple solution to get High Definition TV into the kid's bedrooms.
post #46 of 181
Any "smart TV" I have looked at has DLNA, my four year old sammy has it my two year old panny does not [but it is networkable]. This will give you the ability to tune a channel without the use of a computer making the prime a standalone device. The guide would be limited to Vchannels but levels of service could be controlled by the CC allowing playback of copyonce content live. The trick is apps to have a guide service that could schedule recordings and have them done on a server/storage solution and still maintain the copyonce DRM. I am hoping they can make an app to add DLNA to my panny.

Consider the joint statement to the FCC back in late June by Comcast and Boxee regarding the adapter that is DLNA network based and will be used to allow clearQAM encrypted TV to be seen using current boxee devices. If the boxee can use it then the HDHR dual should be able to do it also. Also keep in mind that Cablelabs the first week of June held a conference for SP's regarding DLNA devices that SiliconDust attended.

The application of DLNA and its development needs something to kick it in the pants to improve the platform a bit IMO, Hopefully this will speed that alone and this could make the prime a mainstream device rather than a niche market. It may also spur SD to create a 5 or 6 tuner device as a whole home full m-card use solution. I am also hoping the new Xperia phone I ordered [it is DLNA capable] will be able to see the prime and be able to control all the functions they develop as well as remote playback [it has an HDMI output and an optional TV dock].
post #47 of 181
Those TVs don't just receive wirelessly decoded A/V signals (wireless HDMI), they are fed the source files and meant to decode it themselves. That's why you must know more than just a DLNA certification, and why we are mentioning mpeg2 decoding capabilities of different devices.

Now, if the smart TV has a Plex app, then you can easily have a server transcode the video to whatever the TV's required input is. You'll never get HD audio this way, but that might not be a huge concern
post #48 of 181
Wondering how this will act as a PVR/DVR device?
post #49 of 181
Niveus was working up a standard platform for this a while back - I think they even showed something off at a trade show.

The idea is that you would have clients (htpcs, tablets, laptops, bluray players, smart tvs, digital media players) that would have a Niveus app built into it that would support cable card DRM. They would all connect to your network.

An HDHR Prime would also sit on the network, providing all the devices with tune-able tv channels.

I don't remember anything about recording - possibly to NAS?

Haven't heard anything about the project in some time.

edit: heres a demo on a Microsoft Surface

http://vimeo.com/44838426
Edited by pittsoccer33 - 12/5/12 at 1:08pm
post #50 of 181
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I have a hdhomerun prime and it works great.

Issue is all HD channels other than the locals arr protected. Most have copy once protection. Meaning you cannot watch the recorded show on another computer/device other than the one it was recorded to. Currently there is no way around this.

Granted media center isn't the best, an htpc is way better than any other device currently.

If I could get dvrmstoolbox to skip commercials in windows 8 it would be amazing. Other than that I don't see anything another device could do better or easier than a htpc. I just wish there were better remotes/keyboards for htpc.

I don't know how or why I got the idea, but I was under the impression that you could use an Xbox to watch the "copy once" protected programs. That is not the case? Moving into a new house and was going to try going the Cable Card/HDhomerun Prime route with Frontier FIOS. However, if I can't watch most recorded programs in different rooms, that could be a deal breaker.
post #51 of 181
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Originally Posted by cjtodd View Post

I don't know how or why I got the idea, but I was under the impression that you could use an Xbox to watch the "copy once" protected programs. That is not the case? Moving into a new house and was going to try going the Cable Card/HDhomerun Prime route with Frontier FIOS. However, if I can't watch most recorded programs in different rooms, that could be a deal breaker.

With an Xbox 360 set up as en extender I can watch any channel I want. "Copy Once" or not.
post #52 of 181
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Originally Posted by pittsoccer33 View Post

Niveus was working up a standard platform for this a while back - I think they even showed something off at a trade show.
The idea is that you would have clients (htpcs, tablets, laptops, bluray players, smart tvs, digital media players) that would have a Niveus app built into it that would support cable card DRM. They would all connect to your network.
An HDHR Prime would also sit on the network, providing all the devices with tune-able tv channels.
I don't remember anything about recording - possibly to NAS?
Haven't heard anything about the project in some time.
edit: heres a demo on a Microsoft Surface
http://vimeo.com/44838426

The Niveus system looks nice. But too bad they don't sell it to consumers. Hopefully Silicondust can also make some clients that are just as nice.
post #53 of 181
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Originally Posted by cjtodd View Post

I don't know how or why I got the idea, but I was under the impression that you could use an Xbox to watch the "copy once" protected programs. That is not the case? Moving into a new house and was going to try going the Cable Card/HDhomerun Prime route with Frontier FIOS. However, if I can't watch most recorded programs in different rooms, that could be a deal breaker.
You can watch it on your xbox, as an extender. but you still need a HTPC with windows 7 media center as the host system.

unless silicondust comes out with an xbox app to use DLNA DTCP-IP in their upcoming firmware.
post #54 of 181
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Originally Posted by cjtodd View Post

I don't know how or why I got the idea, but I was under the impression that you could use an Xbox to watch the "copy once" protected programs. That is not the case? Moving into a new house and was going to try going the Cable Card/HDhomerun Prime route with Frontier FIOS. However, if I can't watch most recorded programs in different rooms, that could be a deal breaker.

You can, but . . .
  • An HTPC would have to be running somewhere else for it to work
  • It has limited container/codec support
  • HD audio isn't supported

Similar limitations that exist for the echo as well
post #55 of 181
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Originally Posted by Diverge View Post

That would be awesome. I just recently tried XBMC and love it. Would love to get rid of windows and just have a box that boots into XBMC that can play any media file I throw at it, and do live tv smile.gif

You know you can make Windows boot directly into WMC, right? You can even lock it in WMC only mode, too.
post #56 of 181
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Originally Posted by cjtodd View Post

I don't know how or why I got the idea, but I was under the impression that you could use an Xbox to watch the "copy once" protected programs. That is not the case? Moving into a new house and was going to try going the Cable Card/HDhomerun Prime route with Frontier FIOS. However, if I can't watch most recorded programs in different rooms, that could be a deal breaker.

With an extender, the Copy Once is not an issue as it is decrypting the DRM on the machine that recorded it. The problem is that extenders don't do things like play ripped blu-rays, high bit rate MKVs, etc. like you can straight on your HTPC. And if you just go for an extra HTPC, well, you can't watch Copy Once recorded shows/movies on the second HTPC if they were recorded on the first. So you get that angry shout from the wife "WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS DAMN THING!?!?!" When some movie she recorded on Starz in the living room HTPC doesn't play on the bedroom HTPC.

Wife Friendly is very very important.
post #57 of 181
Yes it is.. They don't care why either.
post #58 of 181
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Originally Posted by blueiedgod View Post

You know you can make Windows boot directly into WMC, right? You can even lock it in WMC only mode, too.

Yeah, I know. I've even made a windows standard embedded 7 set-top box, aka as media center. Where there is no desktop, and the OS is very stripped down. I'd just rather be done with windows and use XBMC.
post #59 of 181
Would this require the device maker, like Sony, to make a guide/UI or would SD have a Sony app that would handle the usual WMC functions?
post #60 of 181
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Originally Posted by snappjay View Post

Would this require the device maker, like Sony, to make a guide/UI or would SD have a Sony app that would handle the usual WMC functions?

One way I imagine it working is like Google TV. There is a built in guide and program recommendation application called "TV and Movies" and it looks more or less like the WMC guide. If you select something to watch there Google TV brings up the video stream coming from your cable box. I guess in a practical application instead of going to that video stream coming in via HDMI it could go to the one coming via LAN.
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