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post #61 of 181
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Originally Posted by pittsoccer33 View Post

One way I imagine it working is like Google TV. There is a built in guide and program recommendation application called "TV and Movies" and it looks more or less like the WMC guide. If you select something to watch there Google TV brings up the video stream coming from your cable box. I guess in a practical application instead of going to that video stream coming in via HDMI it could go to the one coming via LAN.

How would TAs work in a DLNA world?

Sorry for so many questions... I come from a Ceton, copy once, WMC, xbox, no TAs needed world. smile.gif
post #62 of 181
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Originally Posted by snappjay View Post

How would TAs work in a DLNA world?

TA (or the lack of) should be transparent to the consuming application, just as they are now w/ DRI.
post #63 of 181
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Originally Posted by Diverge View Post

Yeah, I know. I've even made a windows standard embedded 7 set-top box, aka as media center. Where there is no desktop, and the OS is very stripped down.

How do you do that? Mine boots to 7MC, but I'd much rather make it locked into that mode.
post #64 of 181
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Originally Posted by snappjay View Post

How would TAs work in a DLNA world?
Sorry for so many questions... I come from a Ceton, copy once, WMC, xbox, no TAs needed world. smile.gif

You would "probably" have to plug it in to the device playing back the video via usb, whether that's a smart tv or a digital media player. Since the original cable card tv's don't have usb slots they are incompatible with SDV systems. Perhaps somebody like Silicon Dust would have to make a networkable USB port specifically for making TAs available through the home.

If I were an enterprising company that thought this idea had merit I would probably make an NAS device centered around the protocol. The tuning adapters would plug in there and it would house DVR recordings and live TV buffers.
post #65 of 181
I wish the TA was transparent. The Cisco 1502 POS I have is constantly giving time-out errors that clear up by pressing channel up channel down or simply OK for the on screen dialog box.
post #66 of 181
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Originally Posted by ncarty97 View Post

How do you do that? Mine boots to 7MC, but I'd much rather make it locked into that mode.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itpromedia/thread/2f6db0f8-4d58-437b-bda2-027677bead54/
post #67 of 181
This is very, very interesting.
post #68 of 181
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Originally Posted by ncarty97 View Post

How do you do that? Mine boots to 7MC, but I'd much rather make it locked into that mode.

There's instructions somewhere around here. I still like having access to the OS even though mine boots straight to WMC and even LiveTV when starting the activity using my H-900 remote.
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I used to do this awhile back...I forget why I switched back to normal, but anyways I wonder if you can use external players with this method?
post #71 of 181
^^

Never tried it. I like that my HTPC is a PC smile.gif
post #72 of 181
The prime is a network device. The TA on the prime plugs directly into the prime so it should be a non issue, but like Sammy2 said, there are problems that seem to plague tuning adapters, even my cable company issued STBs get SDV errors as too many are watching on demand and its not clearing them for use fast enough.

I also think its not inconceivable that they allow a hard drive to plug into that usb port but my understanding is that TA's don't like hubs, so it could be an either/or situation and it may need to be dedicated/formatted specifically for that box much like external drives for some DVRs and I'm also not sure if there is enough processing power, ram, and flash in the prime to do everything (time to start looking for the teardown photos), including managing guide data (though that can actually be done through another web site, or through a pc) and perhaps allowing for network/cloud storage from the prime itself. It is going to be interesting to see all it can do and what is required to make it all work.

I'm tempted to order a bunch today as xmas gifts but I have a feeling a more powerful prime might be announced (at CES?) and be available within a year.
post #73 of 181
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Originally Posted by signcarver View Post

The prime is a network device. The TA on the prime plugs directly into the prime

I guess it would have to work this way wouldnt it? Otherwise what, you're going to drag a tuning adapter around the house with your laptop and have one for each PC? This makes total sense. I just never saw someone say thats how it works with the Prime.
post #74 of 181
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Originally Posted by pittsoccer33 View Post

I guess it would have to work this way wouldnt it? Otherwise what, you're going to drag a tuning adapter around the house with your laptop and have one for each PC? This makes total sense. I just never saw someone say thats how it works with the Prime.

That's how it works. I have a TA in the structured cabinet w/ the PRIME. Devices that what to pull video off the PRIME talk to it via DRI (now) and DLNA (future). They don't even know that a TA is involved.
post #75 of 181
I suspect this is where that rumored support for live TV on the XBOX 720 comes from. Ditto for why Apple suddenly claims to be interested in TV again.
post #76 of 181
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Originally Posted by mcturkey View Post

I suspect this is where that rumored support for live TV on the XBOX 720 comes from. Ditto for why Apple suddenly claims to be interested in TV again.

I feel Apple would only release a independent/one device solution. Not rely on another product (another company's product at that) . I'm not Tim Cook though so who knows.
Edited by staknhalo - 12/6/12 at 4:22pm
post #77 of 181
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Originally Posted by staknhalo View Post

I feel Apple would only release a independent/one device solution. Not rely on another product (another company's product at that) . I'm not Tim Cook though so who knows.

What seems to have been missed by many is that this is not just an HDHR thing. IP TV distribution to any CE device that supports the necessary protocols from any cable receiving device is the goal that the FCC has set. A standard cable company DVR would be able to stream to any certified CE device. Basically, if this goes through as I'm understanding it, there will be no need for dedicated extenders anymore, since any number of devices could handle that duty.
post #78 of 181
Acknowledged, understood, agreed wink.gif
post #79 of 181
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Originally Posted by mcturkey View Post

Ditto for why Apple suddenly claims to be interested in TV again.

But Apple always wants to go against standards and make their own proprietary everything.
post #80 of 181
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Originally Posted by Diverge View Post

But Apple always wants to go against standards and make their own proprietary everything.

Not always. Sometimes they just rebrand something and act as if they invented it. Sometimes they push certain things to the forefront too.
post #81 of 181
Because it isn't clear to me-does anyone know if this will/would apply to the standard HDHomerun, or just the Prime (cable TV)?
post #82 of 181
Jason and/or Nick, with SD, said prime only IIR.
post #83 of 181
Though it would not surprise me if the non prime units got a similar upgrade to make streaming to "tablets" and other devices easier, there isn't any need because that content isn't protected and you can do whatever you wish with it.
post #84 of 181
Yes, for recorded content, but LiveTV is a little different.
post #85 of 181
I hate to throw a wet towel on this, but the DTCP requirement could kill everything that is great about this. When I first read this, I was pretty optimistic. But then I remember my early days in HD. The first technical writing I ever did was here at AVSForum, it was a post on how to record to Windows XP via 1394. The motivation there was spurred by the 1394 requirement of the FCC Plug n' Play agreement. A big reason why recording via 1394 never caught on was because of DTCP, while there was plenty of devices with 1394, there weren't many that supported DTCP. Fast forward to five years ago, you might recall CableLabs certifying DTCP-IP, but still to this day I don't know of any implementation that is in use. In fact, I believe the HDHR Prime to PS3, will be the first -- would love to be corrected on this one.

All that being said, being able to watch Live TV on a PS3 via a HDHR Prime is cool, but not practically useful. As Sammy2 pointed out, we need to be able to record. But even more so, we need an enjoyable way to record and playback content; and so far, enjoyable DLNA experience is an oxymoron.

I believe SD has a grand plan, and I look forward to it being revealed, but my excitement is tempered for now, as I'm experiencing Deja Vu.
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post #87 of 181
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Originally Posted by caeguy View Post

XBMC demo. Very exciting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml0g2l01zVM&sns=em

It is cool. But I assume that isn't a copy protected channel. I'll be more impressed when there is an app/plugin for XBMC that is DTCP-IP compliant, and gives us a TV guide too smile.gif
post #88 of 181
Anyone know a little about this technology and could explain how such as system would work?

I did a little reading on what is out there now, and Samsung and DirectTV have been using DTCP-IP for a while (I guess since the partnership was announced at CES 2011, and they started it on their 2011 line of TV's). But they seem to use something called RVU Technology, which uses DTCP-IP. I'm just curious on how this all fits togther. Is RVU just a set standard on how the server and clients talk, using DTCP-IP... and DTCP-IP is just one piece to it all?

http://www.geeknewscentral.com/2011/01/08/samsung-directtv-one-box-to-rule-them-all/

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=208310

http://www.rvualliance.org/about_rvu
post #89 of 181
So if Prime serves live TV including Premium channels directly to all these devices XBOX, PS3, Samsung TV's, Phones, Tablets whatever, where does the Program Guide come from on all these devices?
post #90 of 181
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Originally Posted by caeguy View Post

XBMC demo. Very exciting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml0g2l01zVM&sns=em

Cool, but you get much more functionality with the NextPVR PVR add-on (program guide, DVR, etc.). This is probably much easier to set up though.
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