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Help please. find with a tv that can achieve extremely accurate srgb colors

post #1 of 17
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Hello i recently bought a monitor for gaming to since it had 2ms response time for playing ps3, but i wasn't happy with the color gamut and color accuracy of the display.

can someone show me an hdtv that has extremely accurate colors i have the tools to calibrate it.I will use it for ps3 gaming and blu ray movies. if possible i would like a low response time, but i really want to see accurate colors.

i also tried calibrating my aunts samsung 46" display and green and red were unersaturated and i read there is no way to increase the saturation using the samsung rgb cms

I want to finnally view a set that is calibrated i'm sick of not seeing accurate colors, so can someone please help.
post #2 of 17
Here you go...rolleyes.gif

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-BVME250/
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
confused.gif really? so noone is watching displays that show accurate colors, eveyone is seeing jacked up visuals? if thats the kind of price to get accurate colors.
post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 
what about game developers do they see messed up images when they test their games on displays.

man this hunt has been tiring,

my question is, so everyone is seeing incorrect images on their tvs?frown.gifconfused.gif
post #5 of 17
Most samsung and panasonic plasmas have oversaturated gamuts and enough controls to reign them back in.

Sectrets of homet theater uses CalMAN in their reviews: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/
Cnet also has good calibration info in most of their reviews.

There are alot of TV's out there that aren't going to be great out of the box, but will be great for color once calibrated.

Also if you want a PC monitor, Anandtech loved the new dell u2713 http://www.anandtech.com/show/6308/dell-u2713hm-unbeatable-performance-out-of-the-box
They also used CalMAN in their review.


There is a wealth of information about displays on the internet. There are too many variables about what is right for you, to be able to give you a simple list.
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
thanks alot, i'll be sure to check your info tomorrow. I just thought that displays wouldbe better built at this day and age. sigh
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by steelclaw174 View Post

thanks alot, i'll be sure to check your info tomorrow. I just thought that displays wouldbe better built at this day and age. sigh

Many had reasonable THX modes (while THX was still certifying displays).

The dell I linked above is about as dead on as you'll see anything out of the box (short of that sony BVM).

Do some research, many displays have modes that would be "good enough" for most people, once you get brightness and contrast sorted out. Beyond that if you want to calibrate yourself, there are oodles more displays today that can be well calibrated compared to even a few years ago.
post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 
I am definately willing to calibrate myself and if its really accurate i would love that. Could you point out some displays.


My question also is, am i going to run into the same poblem as i did with the monitor i bought? it only had rgb sliders for color temperature, so i was not able to caibrate it properly for use on ps3. I read that with .icc profiles you could get the colors near srgb levels for use with a pc, but since you cant use profiles for a ps3 or video players, am i still not going to be able to get accurate colors using that monitor you showed me with the ps3 which is what i use to show the test patterns and calibate with?
post #9 of 17
As professional developers of calibration systems we have been talking to a number of games manufacturers...

Very, very few of them use a critical colour environment, as we do in the film and TV industry.

So, to be honest, chasing perfect colour for games is a bit of non-starter - at the moment...

Steve
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
got it, well thanks. This was very informative, i hope this tv hunt comes to an end soon. Just sucks that the tv experience for viewers is at such a low that such measures have to be taken in order to get accurate representations of video and photography content and it also puts this sort of burden on artists since they can't show their work to the world without it being hammered by display devices.
Edited by steelclaw174 - 12/8/12 at 12:03pm
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by steelclaw174 View Post

Hello i recently bought a monitor for gaming to since it had 2ms response time for playing ps3, but i wasn't happy with the color gamut and color accuracy of the display.
can someone show me an hdtv that has extremely accurate colors i have the tools to calibrate it.I will use it for ps3 gaming and blu ray movies. if possible i would like a low response time, but i really want to see accurate colors.
i also tried calibrating my aunts samsung 46" display and green and red were unersaturated and i read there is no way to increase the saturation using the samsung rgb cms
I want to finnally view a set that is calibrated i'm sick of not seeing accurate colors, so can someone please help.

If you want a monitor with controls, this one has them. I don't have this monitor, but it has separate Hue and Saturation controls for color. It also has 2 point white balance adjustment. LINK
post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 
thank you sir, im really liking what i see. i'll give it a shot. ill check reviews first before i decide tobuy
Edited by steelclaw174 - 12/8/12 at 7:52pm
post #13 of 17
I'll jump in since Joel linked to the TV/Projector reviews I so for Secrets, and the Dell U2713HM review I did for AnandTech, and someone else brought up the ASUS and I reviewed that as well. FIrst, plenty of displays can have accurate colors with adjustments. Samsung does a very good job, LG usually does as well, Panasonic usually doesn't make nearly as many controls accessible to the user but their THX modes are fairly accurate. My Panasonic use is all in passing, and not for reviews, so I can't go into more depth on them. Samsung has the best consumer CMS in my opinion, as they have fewer issues than everyone else.

The Dell U2713HM was my favorite monitor this year. The sRGB mode is incredibly accurate for a factory calibration, and everything else about it was great. The ASUS is a good display, but the CMS just doesn't work at all. Same with the CMS on an LG PC Monitor I just tested. BenQ and LG have good CMS systems in their projectors and TVs, but not in computer monitors, so just ignore those. Everything will look much worse than when you started. The main issue with the Dell is input lag, and to get around that you'd need a 27" without a scaler like the HP zr2740w, but that won't be calibrated at all. You'll need to stick with a TV, or with a PC display that is 1920x1080 to avoid the scaler to get no input lag and find one with an accurate sRGB mode to get an accurate image.

So a TV is the best place to start looking IMO, but that will probably require the most work to get right unless it has a straight THX mode that is accurate enough.
post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
thanks smackrabbit, i am willing to get a tv, i think it would be best also. Do you happen to know of anythat are not that expensive and have near srgb colors. I have a i1 meter and test patterns to try and calibrate myself.

I don't mind if it requires work to get it right as long as it can get the colors right.
post #15 of 17
You never mentioned a price range that I can recall, so I'll just recommend one. Right now you can pick up the Samsung PN51E7000 (51" Plasma) for $1k from Best Buy. I reviewed the 8000 but the 7000 is nearly identical in terms of picture quality, it's just missing things like voice control and gesture control. It has a full CMS, 10 point white balance, etc... but it was really accurate out of the box as well. If I was only playing games, I might look at an LCD because of the small, small burn-in potential (likely none, but I don't play games and can't test it), but it wouldn't look as good.
post #16 of 17
Except gaming on plasma TVs can end up burning the phosphors permanently if the gamer is displaying the same stationary graphics (status displays, etc.) for many hours (or days) at a time. If the games played are "cinematic", meaning that moving images occupy the entire screen most of the time, the occasional stationary graphics are fine. But stuff that stays up on the screen all the time is potentially damaging for plasma displays like the Samsung PN series.

I have a nephew who is asking for a 42" TV for gaming for Christmas. He's only 13 and doesn't know what input lag is yet, but just watching him for 5 minutes I could see he was experiencing lag without knowing it while using the family's Vizio LCD panel. His parents don't want to spend a lot of money on it. I had to break the bad news about LCD displays to them (generally, the cheaper, the worse the lag and the less suitable the display is for gaming).

If anybody has any suggestions for LCD gaming displays up to $350 or so, I'm all ears. I can't find any consensus about what works for gaming aside from CRT displays... there's room for a flat panel in his room, but not for a 32" or larger CRT. This kid plays enough games with stationary graphics on the screen, that I don't think a plasma is a good option for him, though he's not allowed to play for extended periods, it might be the only thing that's done on the display... a couple of hours every day... same graphics until that game is played-out and he moves on to something else.
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

Except gaming on plasma TVs can end up burning the phosphors permanently if the gamer is displaying the same stationary graphics (status displays, etc.) for many hours (or days) at a time. If the games played are "cinematic", meaning that moving images occupy the entire screen most of the time, the occasional stationary graphics are fine. But stuff that stays up on the screen all the time is potentially damaging for plasma displays like the Samsung PN series.
I have a nephew who is asking for a 42" TV for gaming for Christmas. He's only 13 and doesn't know what input lag is yet, but just watching him for 5 minutes I could see he was experiencing lag without knowing it while using the family's Vizio LCD panel. His parents don't want to spend a lot of money on it. I had to break the bad news about LCD displays to them (generally, the cheaper, the worse the lag and the less suitable the display is for gaming).
If anybody has any suggestions for LCD gaming displays up to $350 or so, I'm all ears. I can't find any consensus about what works for gaming aside from CRT displays... there's room for a flat panel in his room, but not for a 32" or larger CRT. This kid plays enough games with stationary graphics on the screen, that I don't think a plasma is a good option for him, though he's not allowed to play for extended periods, it might be the only thing that's done on the display... a couple of hours every day... same graphics until that game is played-out and he moves on to something else.
I don't know if they're in your price range, but Sony's LCDs are usually a good bet, as they typically have 33ms of lag at most when they're in the game scene mode.
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