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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

No no! That's not it at all man. I'll update the list now. Thanks for the subtle reminder.
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Heh, good to hear smile.gif
It wasn't to be rude, maybe you just didn't saw my post, or you just forgot smile.gif
Not a problem tongue.gif

Now i need to try different locations at my small room, to find the sweet spot. Unfortunately, I only have 3 locations it can stand because of the space.

Hmm i just saw, that it's written in Danish, i will translate.
Hylder = shelves
Stol = chair
Skrivebord = office desk
seng= bed
vindue= windows.

Not the best paint, but I think it describes my room as best as possible smile.gif
When i'm watching movies, i sit in my bed, which i move ½ a meter to the right of the wall on the picture, and just in front of the center speaker

The locations of the sub i'm thinking of:
1. replace the desk just under my computer on the picture, and make a shelf for my receiver just above the woofer.
2. Move my bed ½ meter to the north on the picture, and place the sub in the corner
3. Place the sub just above the bed on the picture.

I think 1 and 2 will be the best places in 'theory', but gotta try it out when i get some longer cable.
Any suggestions on this? smile.gif

EDIT: I forgot the lenghts of the room:


Sorry for this long post biggrin.gif
Edited by grymok - 8/23/13 at 3:18am
post #512 of 663
Thread Starter 
Oh and grymok

Based on your journey thus far... If you keep hanging around these forums, I forsee an update to your journey in your not to distant future.
post #513 of 663
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Oh and grymok

Based on your journey thus far... If you keep hanging around these forums, I forsee an update to your journey in your not to distant future.
That's partly your fault, that is - you are a bad influence wink.gifbiggrin.gif
post #514 of 663
I think this guy is satisfied. Pretty sure I've seen his YouTube screen name here on AVS

http://youtu.be/ko8CHrvPuJI
post #515 of 663
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

I think this guy is satisfied. Pretty sure I've seen his YouTube screen name here on AVS

http://youtu.be/ko8CHrvPuJI

Notnyt. Yeah, I'm sure you've seen him mentioned once or twice here on AVS...

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post #516 of 663
Timeline
1999 – Cambridge Soundworks PCWorks (Computer Speakers)
2000 – Cambridge Soundworks FPS2000 (Computer Speakers) – Still have these connected to the computer!
2002 – Dual Audiobahn AW1200X 12” Subs (Car Audio)
2005 – Bose 901 VI
2008 – Velodyne CHT-12
2009 – Definitive PF15TL+
2010 – Velodyne HGS-15
2010 – JL F113
2011 – Velodyne DD-18
2011 – JTR Captivator (passive)
2011 – (2) JTR Captivators (passive)
2011 – LMS 5400 Ultra with (2) passive radiators (17hz tune)
2011 – Dual sealed LMS 5400 Ultras / FP14K clone
2011 – Quad sealed LMS 5400 Ultras / (2) FP14K clones
2013 – Dual GJALLARHORNs / FP14K clone
2013 – Dual Ghorns w/FP14K + Dual Othorns w/dual Crest CC5500 (Current)


About My Journey
As a young teenager I remember walking through Best Buy and I came across the computer speakers. Altec Lansing, JBL, and Cambridge Soundworks. I was hooked on bass immediately, and I saved up and bought the CS PCWorks speakers for $50.

After bringing those home, my dad told me stories about his stereo in high school, and how his Bose 901 series IV speakers completely destroyed his monstrous Cerwin Vega speakers with massive 18” drivers. This led me to pestering him until he bought some 901’s.

When I was 16 and had a truck, one of my sisters boyfriends got me into car audio. I had to sell that system to pay for the phone bill because I was talking to my future wife way too much on the cell phone! After we got married, I bought some 901’s for myself. In order to buy a house, I sold them, and then shortly after buying a house I picked up the CHT-12 on craigslist for $150.

My first exposure to sub 25hz bass was the HGS-15. That sub had a great sound to it! That led to me going through quite a few subs and entering DIY in a very short time frame. Now I have to hold back for the sake of damaging various things in the house…lights fixtures, door frames, drywall, falling objects on family members…wife’s sanity…


Lessons Learned / Advice
DIY is the way to go to get the most for your money. I also personally think that all the work you put into it helps you appreciate it more. Along that DIY road, the more you learn, the more you realize how ignorant you really are.
post #517 of 663
Wow, dude. 2011 was a busy year!
post #518 of 663
Timeline

1997 First sub Yamaha (12 inch cant recall model $800) couldn't do what I wanted.
1998 Bought two Klipsch KSW 300 (15 inch $1700 each!) Huge money back then for me.
2005-2012 Moved many times home theatre non existent during this period. Sold one Klipsch sub.
2012-2013 Dual JTR Captivators smile.gif

Journey

I've been fascinated by bass ever since standing in a nightclub and feeling music for the first time right through my body. Must have been 17 or so. Looking at the JBL speakers suspended from the roof thinking that was the sound I wanted to replicate at home. The Klipsch were a good starting point but didn't ever go close to giving that feeling I was chasing. Only now with dual Caps have I achieved that. A single was enough but two is outrageous and a hell of a lot of fun! To achieve bass Nirvana I had to work at understanding Sub Eq as I went the passive route. This brought wow factor the like which I'd never heard before in a home environment. Very satisfied. I only regret not living miles from anyone.

Lessons/Advice

I still consider myself a novice as my experience is limited to a couple of subs. However I would recommend going as hard as you can, take a bigger leap if you can afford it and future proof yourself against upgrading. Everyones different of course but I spent about four times the amount I thought I was going to spend including paying overs to get the purchases to me in Australia. In the end I decided to take a hit now and enjoy for many years instead of potentially forking out for incremental upgrades. The passive route is also a rewarding experience and one I was not familiar with prior to owning the Caps. Be prepared to stick it out though don't be put off too easily as its well worth the effort to get EQ done properly.
post #519 of 663
August of 2012-Onkyo HTIB sub
January 2013-HSU VTF 15H
September 2013-Dual Seaton Submersive HP's

Like you all I love bass. I always did you cool thing when you were young and had "bumps" in my trunk. A Diamond audio 12 was my first sub and I was hooked. Since had numerous. Dual Kicker L7 solo bardic 12's, dual Diamond audio 10's, and my last one which was a Boston SPG 555. That one could take some serious power and was an oval shape with 3 inch excursion. Anyway I made my way into building a performance engine which last fall I decided to sell and enter the hobby of home theater. After my first modest 7k Definitive Technology/HSU/Denon system I realized I was bound for the top performers in every category. So I sold all my speaker and my sub. I have since picked up dual 2.4 kW submersives scored on an Sherbourn PA 7350 7 channel power amplifier, upgraded my power center/conditioner, Open DRC-AN from mini DSP, UMM6 USB measuring mic from cross soectrum labs to use with REW in optimizing my system. I will get some 4 inch 24x48 acoustical panels and some corner bass traps for even further improvement. I plan on LCR JTR 212 Noesis and a couple JTR single 8's or some DIY for surrounds. After we purchase a home then a PJ and an AT screen will be in the works. And to tie it all in an upgrade from the dual submersives to dual master/slave pairs from Seaton. That will be 8-15's run off of two 4kw speaker power amps smile.gif
post #520 of 663
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lukeamdman View Post

Timeline
1999 – Cambridge Soundworks PCWorks (Computer Speakers)
2000 – Cambridge Soundworks FPS2000 (Computer Speakers) – Still have these connected to the computer!
2002 – Dual Audiobahn AW1200X 12” Subs (Car Audio)
2005 – Bose 901 VI
2008 – Velodyne CHT-12
2009 – Definitive PF15TL+
2010 – Velodyne HGS-15
2010 – JL F113
2011 – Velodyne DD-18
2011 – JTR Captivator (passive)
2011 – (2) JTR Captivators (passive)
2011 – LMS 5400 Ultra with (2) passive radiators (17hz tune)
2011 – Dual sealed LMS 5400 Ultras / FP14K clone
2011 – Quad sealed LMS 5400 Ultras / (2) FP14K clones
2013 – Dual GJALLARHORNs / FP14K clone
2013 – Dual Ghorns w/FP14K + Dual Othorns w/dual Crest CC5500 (Current)

Luke, thanks for posting! Seems like your journey accellerated as soon as you joined AVS. It's kinda funny when you put that into perspective. Also, I would imagine a few of those purchases could have been avoided if you would have joined AVS and researched earlier. At least, that's how I feel now, ya know?

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Originally Posted by lukeamdman View Post

About My Journey
As a young teenager I remember walking through Best Buy and I came across the computer speakers. Altec Lansing, JBL, and Cambridge Soundworks. I was hooked on bass immediately, and I saved up and bought the CS PCWorks speakers for $50.

After bringing those home, my dad told me stories about his stereo in high school, and how his Bose 901 series IV speakers completely destroyed his monstrous Cerwin Vega speakers with massive 18” drivers. This led me to pestering him until he bought some 901’s.

When I was 16 and had a truck, one of my sisters boyfriends got me into car audio. [/b]I had to sell that system to pay for the phone bill because I was talking to my future wife way too much on the cell phone![/b] After we got married, I bought some 901’s for myself. In order to buy a house, I sold them, and then shortly after buying a house I picked up the CHT-12 on craigslist for $150.

My first exposure to sub 25hz bass was the HGS-15. That sub had a great sound to it! That led to me going through quite a few subs and entering DIY in a very short time frame. Now I have to hold back for the sake of damaging various things in the house…lights fixtures, door frames, drywall, falling objects on family members…wife’s sanity…

Haha... sounds like your parents knew exactly how to hit you where it hurts. I thought I was reading the plot line to a love story for a sec...

NotebookGH_zpsf52c2a5b.jpg

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Originally Posted by lukeamdman View Post

Lessons Learned / Advice
DIY is the way to go to get the most for your money. I also personally think that all the work you put into it helps you appreciate it more. Along that DIY road, the more you learn, the more you realize how ignorant you really are.

+1

Major thumbs up on that one man. It's truly incredible how much you learn by going DIY and I still think it's crazy how much I sponge up on a daily basis.
post #521 of 663
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ72 View Post

Timeline

1997 First sub Yamaha (12 inch cant recall model $800) couldn't do what I wanted.
1998 Bought two Klipsch KSW 300 (15 inch $1700 each!) Huge money back then for me.
2005-2012 Moved many times home theatre non existent during this period. Sold one Klipsch sub.
2012-2013 Dual JTR Captivators smile.gif

Nice! Major leap in performance moving from the KSW to the Dual Caps! Are they the Cap 2400's? Let me know so I can update the first post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ72 View Post

Journey

I've been fascinated by bass ever since standing in a nightclub and feeling music for the first time right through my body. Must have been 17 or so. Looking at the JBL speakers suspended from the roof thinking that was the sound I wanted to replicate at home. The Klipsch were a good starting point but didn't ever go close to giving that feeling I was chasing. Only now with dual Caps have I achieved that. A single was enough but two is outrageous and a hell of a lot of fun! To achieve bass Nirvana I had to work at understanding Sub Eq as I went the passive route. This brought wow factor the like which I'd never heard before in a home environment. Very satisfied. I only regret not living miles from anyone.

You took the road less traveled for sure man and (as many of us can attest) learning/implementing DSP on passive subs is one of (if not "the") largest contributing factor to achieving the sound that YOU are looking for. Unquestionably takes the sub experience to a different level.

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Originally Posted by AJ72 View Post

Lessons/Advice

I still consider myself a novice as my experience is limited to a couple of subs. However I would recommend going as hard as you can, take a bigger leap if you can afford it and future proof yourself against upgrading. Everyones different of course but I spent about four times the amount I thought I was going to spend including paying overs to get the purchases to me in Australia. In the end I decided to take a hit now and enjoy for many years instead of potentially forking out for incremental upgrades. The passive route is also a rewarding experience and one I was not familiar with prior to owning the Caps. Be prepared to stick it out though don't be put off too easily as its well worth the effort to get EQ done properly.

Haha, nice. This forum is really hard on the pocket books, but I totally agree with you. If you skip out now, the cost for upgrading in the future will most likely cost you more in the long run if you take baby steps. If you are a true basshead...just go for it.
post #522 of 663
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

August of 2012-Onkyo HTIB sub
January 2013-HSU VTF 15H
September 2013-Dual Seaton Submersive HP's

Like you all I love bass. I always did you cool thing when you were young and had "bumps" in my trunk. A Diamond audio 12 was my first sub and I was hooked. Since had numerous. Dual Kicker L7 solo bardic 12's, dual Diamond audio 10's, and my last one which was a Boston SPG 555. That one could take some serious power and was an oval shape with 3 inch excursion. Anyway I made my way into building a performance engine which last fall I decided to sell and enter the hobby of home theater. After my first modest 7k Definitive Technology/HSU/Denon system I realized I was bound for the top performers in every category. So I sold all my speaker and my sub. I have since picked up dual 2.4 kW submersives scored on an Sherbourn PA 7350 7 channel power amplifier, upgraded my power center/conditioner, Open DRC-AN from mini DSP, UMM6 USB measuring mic from cross soectrum labs to use with REW in optimizing my system. I will get some 4 inch 24x48 acoustical panels and some corner bass traps for even further improvement. I plan on LCR JTR 212 Noesis and a couple JTR single 8's or some DIY for surrounds. After we purchase a home then a PJ and an AT screen will be in the works. And to tie it all in an upgrade from the dual submersives to dual master/slave pairs from Seaton. That will be 8-15's run off of two 4kw speaker power amps smile.gif

Yessir! I loved my car audio days, but I honestly hated the fact that I disturbed people and neighborhoods when I wanted my bass fix. I was never that guy with his windows down trying to parking lot pimp... Now that I have my current rig, I don't even need a nice car stereo. I usually just end up listening to Stern on my way to work anyway. Not much in the music/bass department there...though his voice is super deep...haha

I gotta tell you man. I've been impressed with your ability to find deals lately!

You are well on your way to having a world class HT in no time. From a HTIB to a HT 1%er in like 2 years... Impressive.
post #523 of 663
Yea I only parking lot pimped style with my first setup in my first car when I was 18. I bumped the 50 cent get rich or die trying cd until it was worn out. Man I look back and think, "self, you were a dumb sh$t then."
Yes I feel blessed with the deals lately. I am a man of faith and I truly believe it's no accident. I do a lot of giving time with people trying to get their life back together as well as my fiancé and I support some amazing friends who went one way to Cambodia to lead a networking school of Worship. You know teaching the people there how to play instruments and do music so that's right up my alley. He's got my back ya know wink.gif. It's crazy though. That Sherbourn amp is legit. The quality is crazy. The sound truly was different on a couple $250 monitors for DT. I was caught off gaurd and wasn't even looking for it. I was checking to see if any hum was there. But the instruments were each so defined as opposed to all blended together with my AVR. I got really excited that the stuff I read became a reality before my ears. Also a guy came on the dedicated Sherbourn amp deal thread and was saying that was the deal of a lifetime. That he paid 4k when it was new and has had super high end stuff like Krell and Macintosh, etc. he says this blows them out of the water that he really feels it's basically the best amp in the world.

I'm liking the Submersives. My sub floor gives awesome tactile feel. I got my first raw measurement last night. A good base to build on plus it was really cool taking my first legit REW measurements. If you want a good bass song. Turn up your LFE to +10 and play "sail" by Awolnation. Game over !
post #524 of 663
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

If you want a good bass song. Turn up your LFE to +10 and play "sail" by Awolnation. Game over !

Haha... Maaaaan, who are you talking to?

tongue.gif

I got "sail" on speed dial.
post #525 of 663
Yea bro with like + 10 or more it freakin hits!
I can only imagine yours!!!!!!
post #526 of 663
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Yea I only parking lot pimped style with my first setup in my first car when I was 18. I bumped the 50 cent get rich or die trying cd until it was worn out. Man I look back and think, "self, you were a dumb sh$t then."
Yes I feel blessed with the deals lately. I am a man of faith and I truly believe it's no accident. I do a lot of giving time with people trying to get their life back together as well as my fiancé and I support some amazing friends who went one way to Cambodia to lead a networking school of Worship. You know teaching the people there how to play instruments and do music so that's right up my alley. He's got my back ya know wink.gif. It's crazy though. That Sherbourn amp is legit. The quality is crazy. The sound truly was different on a couple $250 monitors for DT. I was caught off gaurd and wasn't even looking for it. I was checking to see if any hum was there. But the instruments were each so defined as opposed to all blended together with my AVR. I got really excited that the stuff I read became a reality before my ears. Also a guy came on the dedicated Sherbourn amp deal thread and was saying that was the deal of a lifetime. That he paid 4k when it was new and has had super high end stuff like Krell and Macintosh, etc. he says this blows them out of the water that he really feels it's basically the best amp in the world.

I'm liking the Submersives. My sub floor gives awesome tactile feel. I got my first raw measurement last night. A good base to build on plus it was really cool taking my first legit REW measurements. If you want a good bass song. Turn up your LFE to +10 and play "sail" by Awolnation. Game over !

I just moved back to the US from Cambodia, wish I could have met your friend when I was there. My respect to all those who voluntarily move to the developing world to lend a hand (the navy voluntold me to go).
post #527 of 663
Thread Starter 
Welcome back! Where did you land back in the states?

Do I recall you mentioning VA?
post #528 of 663
I am in Frederick, Maryland not to far from VA. I forgot how bad DC area traffic is. I will be commuting three days a week to FT Belvior in NoVA. So glad to be back.
post #529 of 663
Thread Starter 
Welcome back!

PM sent.
post #530 of 663
Nice! Major leap in performance moving from the KSW to the Dual Caps! Are they the Cap 2400's? Let me know so I can update the first post.


Thanks Popalock

Yes they are the 2400 Passive Captivators. Another bit of advice to people is to FIND OUT ABOUT THIS FORUM BEFORE BUYING! Unfortunately that only happens to those who are able to seek out for themselves. I found out by accident as this kind of thing didn't exist twelve years ago and nor did the options available today. Im so glad I did as it allowed me to make an informed decision from half the way around the world on something I've never heard before. Previously I could only buy from local stores and at significant markups. Thanks to the internet, this forum and the great people on it I feel its been the perfect storm for my purchase.
post #531 of 663
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Originally Posted by NWCgrad View Post

I just moved back to the US from Cambodia, wish I could have met your friend when I was there. My respect to all those who voluntarily move to the developing world to lend a hand (the navy voluntold me to go).

Yea they are amazing selfless people for sure. Luke, my friend, his parents are both retired teachers also assist in the development of the education system there in Phnom Penh. They are entirely funded by their retirement . Luke and his wife Bethany are financially supported. Our church, Eugene Christian Fellowship, in Eugene OR has established a church there that now has a 14 yr history. We in partnership with the Cambodian people just purchased a 1.1 million dollar property to build a permanent bigger site. It will include a church obviously, but also an entire K-12 type school and a community center and even job training skills for their economy. Pretty cool stuff!

So it sounds like you might experience Irene, you are a privileged man!
post #532 of 663
Speaking of Irene pop, I bought BHD but it was defective so I had to send it back. Curious to see what my Submersives will do. Got my mini dsp today too so I can put boost or shelves in wink.gif
post #533 of 663
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Luke, thanks for posting! Seems like your journey accellerated as soon as you joined AVS. It's kinda funny when you put that into perspective. Also, I would imagine a few of those purchases could have been avoided if you would have joined AVS and researched earlier. At least, that's how I feel now, ya know?

Haha... sounds like your parents knew exactly how to hit you where it hurts. I thought I was reading the plot line to a love story for a sec...

NotebookGH_zpsf52c2a5b.jpg
+1

Major thumbs up on that one man. It's truly incredible how much you learn by going DIY and I still think it's crazy how much I sponge up on a daily basis.

HAHA!
post #534 of 663
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Originally Posted by lukeamdman View Post

Major thumbs up on that one man. It's truly incredible how much you learn by going DIY and I still think it's crazy how much I sponge up on a daily basis.

HAHA!

++++1 Dang I wish I could use that pic wink.gif
post #535 of 663
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Speaking of Irene pop, I bought BHD but it was defective so I had to send it back. Curious to see what my Submersives will do. Got my mini dsp today too so I can put boost or shelves in wink.gif

IRENE!

Wow...what are the chances of picking up a defective BD? Never happened to me before.

Let us know how the mini works out for you.
post #536 of 663
Well I may be glad I got the mini

post #537 of 663
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Well I may be glad I got the mini


Show us a before and after.
post #538 of 663
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Show us a before and after.

A bit delayed but here we go. Just getting to know the dsp.





Here is post Audyssey without the dsp.


That is boosting nulls and I hear that is not good. I will play around with placement a bit more. And get some all natural responses to make the best move. I need more subs!!!!lol!

I did cut 20hz a but too
post #539 of 663
Hey pop or other mini dsp users. Did you have to turn up the gain in your sub amps when the dsp is in the signal chain? For example, my Submersives were set 3 clicks from the bottom just plugged into my Denon. Now with the dsp in between I have it like 12 clicks from the bottom. Bout 55% as opposed to 20% of gain volumes. Anyone else?
post #540 of 663
It might have to do with the sensitivity of the Mini. the output may not be high enough to drive the amp to full power. I couldn't find the value in the spec for that
unit.
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