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post #31 of 539
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

BTW, no one can deny he is an effective and skilled actor.

I beg to differ, but then again I usually do. And Cruise to Damon is a lateral move at best, imo.
post #32 of 539
BTW, no one can deny he is an effective and skilled actor.

Au contraire. He plays an effective arrogant pain in the tush, but that's about it.

I suppose I shouldn't let his offscreen life influence my opinion of his art, but I can't help myself.
post #33 of 539
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Originally Posted by Shaded Dogfood View Post

I suppose I shouldn't let his offscreen life influence my opinion of his art, but I can't help myself.
Space Aliens vs. Invisible Legendary Hebrew Prophets = a wash, IMO.wink.gif
post #34 of 539
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

The script was utter trash.

I don't understand people who read scripts before seeing a movie. Even in a best case scenario, you ruin the experience of watching the film. Either you think the script is amazing, and whatever the director actually shoots can't possibly live up to what you pictured in your head, or you think the script is crap, and you've biased yourself against any possibility of liking the movie. There is virtually no scenario where you'll wind up enjoying the movie afterwards.

Unless you only posted this comment in order to brag about how you've illegally obtained a leaked copy of the script before the movie's release. In which case, wow, you're so amazing, I must bow down and worship you. rolleyes.gif
post #35 of 539
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post



Unless you only posted this comment in order to brag about how you've illegally obtained a leaked copy of the script before the movie's release. In which case, wow, you're so amazing, I must bow down and worship you. rolleyes.gif

I'm sure it's a large part, Josh. This is exactly what I think of and thought of all my nerdly friends and acquaintances from high school and on could just not help themselves from downloading some movie before or just when it hit theaters to blah blah blah. Boring. It must be some nerd 'cool factor' thing to have to go that route, imo.
post #36 of 539
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

I don't understand people who read scripts before seeing a movie. Even in a best case scenario, you ruin the experience of watching the film. Either you think the script is amazing, and whatever the director actually shoots can't possibly live up to what you pictured in your head, or you think the script is crap, and you've biased yourself against any possibility of liking the movie. There is virtually no scenario where you'll wind up enjoying the movie afterwards.
+10000

It is a no-win situation, IMO.wink.gif
post #37 of 539
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Originally Posted by DavidML3 View Post

Why does Tom Cruise play the same type of Actor in virtually all of his movies? He does the same facial expressions, same everything. I cant differentiate his character from that of his other movies they are all the same.
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"Somewhere in the late '90s, it became clear to me that there were many leading men roles that you could plug anyone of us into and virtually get the same thing," says Pitt.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/nearing-50-heightened-perspective-pitt
post #38 of 539
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

It must be some nerd 'cool factor' thing to have to go that route, imo.
Good analogy. But we should know that like the back of our hands. I mean, we are nerds, are we not (discussing movies through computer)? biggrin.gif
post #39 of 539
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

I'm sure it's a large part, Josh. This is exactly what I think of and thought of all my nerdly friends and acquaintances from high school and on could just not help themselves from downloading some movie before or just when it hit theaters to blah blah blah. Boring. It must be some nerd 'cool factor' thing to have to go that route, imo.

Here's how my lady friend would put it:

"If you invested as much time into your daughter than some of these websites you post on, you'd at least have something to show for it."

Women: Keeping men honest since the dawn of civilization.
post #40 of 539
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

I don't understand people who read scripts before seeing a movie. Even in a best case scenario, you ruin the experience of watching the film. Either you think the script is amazing, and whatever the director actually shoots can't possibly live up to what you pictured in your head, or you think the script is crap, and you've biased yourself against any possibility of liking the movie. There is virtually no scenario where you'll wind up enjoying the movie afterwards.

BullS&it! You're leaving out the possibility of enjoying the story on paper and in the filtered screen version after the fact?
How can one person's preference apply to all of us?
post #41 of 539
Ok word from some who have seen it already on IMDB are saying it's their fav movie of 2013 so far and that's it's better than what the trailer leads you to think....which is good because to be honest I'm not really excited about it either.

They said that it was shot with 4k so it looked really good, excellent visuals, the action and directing was mostly positive. This is going to be a good blu-ray purchase on day 1.
post #42 of 539
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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

BullS&it! You're leaving out the possibility of enjoying the story on paper and in the filtered screen version after the fact?

Except a movie script is not a book. It's not supposed to be read beforehand. A movie has to be seen, period. But that's just me.
post #43 of 539
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Except a movie script is not a book. It's not supposed to be read beforehand. A movie has to be seen, period.
Agreed.
A movie has to stand on its own, regardless of any printed source material, be it script or book.
If I wanted to read a script it would be after a viewing of the movie, not prior.

And, FWIW, a good script does NOT guarantee a good movie....far from it.wink.gif
post #44 of 539
Sometimes a good book becomes a movie. Note I didn't say a GOOD MOVIE, because most often, it's not, because the two media are so different. LOTR was one of the rare exceptions where a good book becomes a good movie. Even that was stretching a point because the book was so bloody long it took me over a decade to finish the 3rd volume.

Just as rare is when a good movie becomes a good book, because most "novelizations" of scripts reek. The exception is the James Cameron movie The Abyss, which became one of the best books that Orson Scott Card ever wrote.

I don't actually care to read scripts. It's too much like looking at the man behind the curtain, the process of movie making should not be visible.

But I too have hopes for this movie, and I think I'll invite my buddies to a movie night next week. Cruise has more hits than misses in my book.
post #45 of 539
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Even that was stretching a point because the book was so bloody long it took me over a decade to finish the 3rd volume.
I understand those sentiments.
I had to force myself to read The Trilogy through.

If it wasn't for my admiration of the movies, I would have dumped the books pretty quickly.


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I don't actually care to read scripts. It's too much like looking at the man behind the curtain, the process of movie making should not be visible.

Cruise has more hits than misses in my book.
Agreed.
post #46 of 539
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Originally Posted by Gary McCoy View Post

Sometimes a good book becomes a movie. Note I didn't say a GOOD MOVIE, because most often, it's not, because the two media are so different. LOTR was one of the rare exceptions where a good book becomes a good movie. Even that was stretching a point because the book was so bloody long it took me over a decade to finish the 3rd volume.

Read "The Hobbit" and all three "Lord of the Rings" books back in the early 70's when going to college. I remember reading them over two weekends. I would get up early, have breakfast, and dive right into my reading. Think I finished them in the space of two or three weekends. What can I say? Geek even back then. Don't get me started on the Carlos Casteneda books. wink.gif
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Don't get me started on the Carlos Casteneda books. wink.gif
I read some back then, but I'll be damned if I can remember anything about 'em.tongue.gif
post #48 of 539
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Originally Posted by smudge981 View Post

Don't get me started on the Carlos Casteneda books. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by oink View Post

I read some back then, but I'll be damned if I can remember anything about 'em.tongue.gif

Achieving enlightenment through phamacuticals. That about sums it up. We've all been there. biggrin.gif
post #49 of 539
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Achieving enlightenment through phamacuticals. That about sums it up. We've all been there. biggrin.gif
Yes, we have.tongue.gif
post #50 of 539
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Originally Posted by smudge981 View Post

Read "The Hobbit" and all three "Lord of the Rings" books back in the early 70's when going to college. I remember reading them over two weekends. I would get up early, have breakfast, and dive right into my reading. Think I finished them in the space of two or three weekends. What can I say? Geek even back then. Don't get me started on the Carlos Casteneda books. wink.gif

I love those books. Worked through them in 9th grade.
post #51 of 539
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post


Achieving enlightenment through phamacuticals. That about sums it up. We've all been there. biggrin.gif

I need enlightened. What are phamacuticals?
post #52 of 539
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Originally Posted by Aliens View Post

I need enlightened. What are phamacuticals?

Drug induced enlightenment or in this instance hallucinogens. Apparently the poster did not read the Casteneda books carefully because Don Juan simply said that it was easier for Casteneda, but not necessary: use of peyote. We are going off topic, Oblivion opens 4/19.
Edited by fookoo_2010 - 4/14/13 at 7:27pm
post #53 of 539
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Drug induced enlightenment or in this instance hallucinogens. Apparently the poster did not read the Casteneda books carefully because Don Juan simply said that it was easier for Casteneda, but not necessary: use of peyote.
I tried...those damn buttons made me vomit (when washed down with beer tongue.gif).
Preferred the chemical reduction (mescaline)....easier on the stomach.

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We are going off topic, Oblivion opens 4/19.
True, I'll be in the audience after opening weekend.wink.gif
post #54 of 539
Is it just me or does it seem like Sci-Fi is making a big come back to the theaters in the last 3 years in a big way.

Sci-Fi is my favorite genre of film, so I am very much looking forward to this movie this weekend.
post #55 of 539
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

Drug induced enlightenment or in this instance hallucinogens. Apparently the poster did not read the Casteneda books carefully because Don Juan simply said that it was easier for Casteneda, but not necessary: use of peyote.

I beg your pardon! If you didn't look like an 8 foot tall bug-eyed alien with writhing tentacles right now, I'd pop you with my peyote buttons!
post #56 of 539
First review I've seen, by our most-excellent film critic Lawrence Toppman for Charlotte's daily fishwrap. He gives it a "C" grade:

Oblivion

What an excellent action toy Tom Cruise makes!

Blow him across a room with a titanic fireball, and he doesn’t sweat. Drag him face-first through a hundred feet of sand without goggles, and he gets not a speck of grit in his eyes. Drop him two stories onto a wooden table, which he breaks with his back, and he’s unscathed. He might get a cut on his nose if smashed in the face with the butt of a heavy gun, but that’s only so … well, I can’t reveal that aspect of “Oblivion,” because it leads to the surprise that’s not a surprise if you remain conscious and face the screen.

Of course, toys don’t have a wide range of facial expressions or emotional responses. But director Joseph Kosinski (who did the equally beautiful, flat “TRON: Legacy”) and his writers don’t need many: They’re content with robust explosions and riveting aerial chases on a handsomely designed set. The film comes from a comic book, looks like a video game and doesn’t bother us with complications.

Cruise plays Jack, a technician servicing attack drones and power centers left on Earth after a terrible war. Alien invaders destroyed our moon in 2017; that threw world climate into chaos and wiped out cities with tidal waves and earthquakes.

We used nuclear weapons to drive the aliens away, but they left “scavengers” all over Earth to plague us. Now Jack and his communications expert, Victoria (Andrea Riseborough), hunt “scavs” with deadly drones and keep power flowing to a space station in the sky, which is a jumping-off point for humans relocating to a moon of Saturn.

At this point, you may wonder why aliens left soldiers behind, unsupplied and defenseless, merely to annoy us. (Jack wonders that aloud, because it’s absurd.) You may also wonder why we can’t send someone to Mars in 2013 but developed the technology to send people to Saturn four years later, after Earth was turned to rubble . By God, if you’re going to keep asking questions, I’m done with you.

OK, back on track. A spaceship crash-lands, and Jack rescues a lone astronaut in suspended animation before the drone adds her to its kill list. She’s Julia (Olga Kurylenko), who somehow brings memories of the days before Jack went through a voluntary memory wipe. (But why did he need a memory wipe? Sorry, that’s another question.)

Cruise was once an actor and perhaps could be again, if his skills haven’t withered after the likes of this and “Jack Reacher” and “Rock of Ages.” (Maybe the character name is bad luck: He has played Jack, Jack and Jaxx in those films.)

At 50, he remains the kind of rugged juvenile Hollywood worships; other action heroes sag or get wrinkles, but he remains firm-jawed and clear-eyed and buffed. When he has to express puzzlement or anxiety, it’s the puzzlement and anxiety of a kid who isn’t sure he can get a prom date.

His two female co-stars fare no better – not that the script gives them any help – and Oscar-winners Morgan Freeman and Melissa Leo turn up in cameo roles anyone could have played. Kosinski was smart to limit their screen time, because it’s awkward to have actors with weight and charisma hanging around those who lack both.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/04/17/3987634/one-could-easily-forget-ton-cruises.html#storylink=cpy
post #57 of 539
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Originally Posted by jfcarbel View Post

Is it just me or does it seem like Sci-Fi is making a big come back to the theaters in the last 3 years in a big way.

Sci-Fi is my favorite genre of film, so I am very much looking forward to this movie this weekend.
Yes, I have noticed that and I FLIPPING love it. The more the merrier,..stuff like Pandorum, anything deep space(weird creatures a bonus) I can watch every day
post #58 of 539
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

Yes, I have noticed that and I FLIPPING love it. The more the merrier,..stuff like Pandorum, anything deep space(weird creatures a bonus) I can watch every day

+1000
post #59 of 539
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

I would agree 100% in his Top gun era and I irked and hated his movies back then..the young cocky hothead guy. BUT,..the turning point for me was Magnolia when he played that Love guru con artist and The Last samurai there is no way anyone can say he keeps playing the same guy. That's just not right. You can hate him for being the self righteous loop nut Scientology but what he does on screen nobody can match his committeemen and dedication to his work. His range and the vast library he has given his audience is really 2nd to none.

He can do both,,, the high art Daniel Day Lewis stuff and the blockbuster popcorn action stuff so people should be grateful he hasn't dropped the ball yet and continually to execute high quality with the best top notch directors in the industry year after year. He's had a few minor lapses but always come back with something solid but hey even Kobe or MJ can have an off game here and there.

Look what he has now...Jack reacher a crime drama suspense action then does a 360 and hits you up with a Sci Fi Oblivion and All you need is Kill in 2013.

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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Absolutely right.wink.gif
The guy can do whatever you want him to.

Check out Tropic Thunder:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0942385/fullcredits

I am slow in getting to this party. Saw the trailer in the theater several weeks ago and was intrigued but hadn't realized until today that Oblivion opens tomorrow. Like Zoey67, I hated little Tom Cruise for a long time but in recent years he has come into his own as an action star. Despite his diminutive size, Cruise is a gifted athlete and brings a lot to his many scenes involving physical action. If the creek don't rise, I'll see Oblivion tomorrow at my friendly neighborhood cineplex.
post #60 of 539
Saw Oblivion today and thought it was a very mixed bag. The first hour was sloooow, with dialog so silly it should have been rejected for a Saturday morning kids' cartoon TV show. When Morgan Freeman showed up after about an hour, though, the pace really picked up. The premise of the film, which I won't get into here, was intriguing and the film looked and sounded beautiful. As usual, the athletic Cruise looked good running, jumping, and shooting. Also, the ensemble cast was excellent. All in all I thought that the two hours it took to see Oblivion were hours well spent. 7 Stars out of 10.
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