Official Sony KDL60EX645 thread - Page 3

1. Left, Right, Mute, OK, Mute, Menu on the remote.
2. I haven't used the YouTube app on the TV, but if it's like the Netflix app on the TV, you have to change the settings while inside of the App. The only way you can do this is to use the "Options" button on the remote because if you press "Menu", the App will end.

Hey guys, considering this set and id just like to know if the 60" rotates side to side?

No swivel.

That sucks. Any idea if there are any swivel stands that can be bought for it?

Eh, my 60 swivels. Not tons but it does. If you are worried, downlaod and look in the manual, it clearly shows it.

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Hmm you're right. The guide shows it swivels 15 degrees in either direction. Hope thats true, thanks!

I just pulled the trigger on the ex645 and am waiting on BB to pick up my failing plasma and drop the Sony off. I am interested in knowing if there is a way to tell what panel it has by looking at the numbers on the box before they hook it up and is there a difference in the look of each panel, I have always hated the flat image Sharp's put out and have always liked Samsung;s bright popping image. Ultimately will the Sony look like a Sharp if it has a Sharp panel in it and if it has a sammy panel would it look like a sammy.

It's a Sharp panel and I disagree with your opinion of the image.
Edited by Tom Bley - 1/18/13 at 6:51pm

Then you must have a special model or not the KDL-60EX645 because mine does not swivel and the manual clearly says on page 10: Adjusting the viewing angle of the tv (except the KDL-60EX645)

So is it basically a Sharp TV with Sony markings, like a Mazda which is basically a Ford? I am now asking myself if it is identical in looks of a Sharp then why did'nt I just save money and buy a Sharp. Am I missing something?

Here we go with the car analogies. We are talking about a tv not a car. There is more to an image than just the panel itself. Why don't you hold off until you get the tv in your home before making a decision and give it a few hours of adjustments and viewing? If you don't like it take it back and get a Samsung.

Sorry, but I have always favored Samsung but their lineup was lagging in my price range and decided to go with a Sony not realizing that the panels were manufactured by Sharp. I have spent enough time in stores eying up whatever caught my eye and I would base my opinion of a sharp having low picture quality compared to others even Vizio's looked better to me. I just hope I did not in the end purchase a tv for $1,500 that has the picture quality of a $800 Sharp. I may be wrong in all my assumptions, I just don't want to be disappointed going from two sammy plasmas and one led. Thanks Tom

Just got my 60ex645 today. Overall, the picture is excellent when viewed straight on (and from any of my seated viewing angles). Motion handling is nice. When the picture is full-screen, I'm happy.

However, on a black screen, most notably when viewing letterbox movies, I can see a couple of the led edge lights at the top of the screen, almost like a single point of light shining from above/behind the bezel. From what I've read, it sounds like a common problem on this set. Too bad, because it ruins an otherwise good set. Not sure I can live with it. I pick it up in my peripheral vision all the time, and it's distracting.

Does anyone have a set that doesn't have this problem? Any way to minimize it? I've tried adjusting all the settings, and I can't get it to an acceptable level.

Spimm,

My opinion is this, first try it out like you have been suggested and if you don't like it just return it. However, don't return it just because its a Sharp panel because that would not be correct. Picture quality goes beyond the panel. Take the video processing into consideration as well as the refresh rate and software in the Sony. I believe that Sony has one of the best video processors around. They handle 1080/24 correctly, motion is very good and color saturation is good as well. I think if you don't have a gripe with the the picture quality when your tv arrives, you should keep it. It is a very nice TV. Juts my 2 cents, I really hope you like it and enjoy your TV.

People in this forum have massaged their TV screens with good results. There is a thread here somewhere that its titled Possible permanet fix for light bleeding or something like it that has helped people with this problem. Basically you get a Microfiber cleaning cloth and wipe the screen where the trouble spots are in a circular motion. Here is the link for that thread. Let us know if it helped. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1125227/possible-permanent-backlight-bleed-fix-for-lcd-tvs-and-monitors

I decided to tweak with calibration a bit more. Now I'm posting my FINAL calibration values, as far as my set goes anyway.

I wanted to re-visit my 6500K calibration because, previously, I enabled LED Motion Mode. But even with LED Motion Mode, while in Custom with Warm 2, max fL with backlight also max was only 28 fL. I ended up turning LED Motion Mode off for my 6500K calibration, but leaving it on with my non-game mode 9300K calibration. Now all my calibration settings are right about 40 fL.

Enjoy!

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CalMan 6500K Calibration Sony 60EX645 ~40 fL
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Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: 4
Picture: 95
Brightness: 50
Color: 52
Hue: 0
Sharpness: Min
Color Temperature: Warm 2
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Motionflow: Standard
CineMotion: Auto 2 or Off

Advanced Settings

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Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Black Corrector: Off
Gamma: 0
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
LED Motion Mode: Off

White Balance

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R-Gain: -1
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: -1
R-Bias: +1
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: -2


////////////////////////////////////////////
CalMAN 9300K Calibration Sony 60EX645 ~40 fL
////////////////////////////////////////////

Picture Mode: Standard
Backlight: Max
Picture: 88
Brightness: 53
Color: 53
Hue: R1
Sharpness: Min
Color Temperature: Neutral
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Motionflow: Standard
CineMotion: Auto 2 or Off


Advanced Settings

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Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Black Corrector: Off
Gamma: -2
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
LED Motion Mode: On


// NEW FACTORY MODE W/B NEUTRAL
// Gains: 528, 512, 425
// Offsets: 512, 512, 512
//
// Note: Enter Factory mode by entering "Left, Right, Mute, OK, Mute, Home" on the remote.
// Adjusting the W/B for Neutral mode on the same input also affects Game mode's Neutral Color Temp.
// Write down your old values, if you wish to save them.
//
// IMPORTANT: TO SAVE THE NEW GAIN AND OFFSET VALUES, SELECT DATA BACKUP, THEN W/B, AND PRESS OK!!!

White Balance

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R-Gain: 0
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: -2


//////////////////////////////////////////
Game 9300K Calibration Sony 60EX645 ~40 fL
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Picture Mode: Game
Backlight: 3
Picture: 88
Brightness: 50
Color: 60
Hue: G4
Sharpness: Min
Color Temperature: Neutral

// Note: Game mode is using the new Factory Mode W/B values above. The minor tweak to B-Bias can't be done because the User menu is not available, but it's close enough after tweaking the Factory Mode values.

Some pictures to go along with the calibration (Remember, this Sony doesn't have a CMS so, Grayscale correction is all we can do.):

For all of my calibrations, I acquired the Color/Hue values using a Blue Filter and the Color Bar pattern.

6500K Calibration Grayscale:



9300K Calibration Grayscale:



Game (9300K) Calibration Grayscale:


Edited by sodaboy581 - 1/19/13 at 5:21am

If you don't like your tv ill trade you my samsung 55' inch smart tv lol

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Yeah Sodaboy, I tried the D65 settings that you posted after calman calibration and didn't care for the led motion mode on. Didn't seem to make the motion any better to my eyes.

why did the color saturation go up so much from 44 to 52 using calmman. I'll watch for the weekend with it at 52. I don't like over saturated colors like most people but, if Calman says so....

I'm amazed at how close Sony is out of the box with the warm 2 setting. Only minor tweeks needed to the settings & white balance.

CalMAN didn't pick the color values this time. I only followed what the color bar pattern led me to pick for both color and tint while looking through a blue filter..

Last time, I used my meter to adjust color by adjusting it downward until red luminance was the correct level. However, doing so under saturated blue and green a bit.

Last time, I also adjusted Hue until Yellow matched up or was very close, using my meter.

So thats why color and hue values are different this time.

So, do you like the D65 settings now? I actually like it. It looks more vibrant and overall brighter picture even though back light & brightness stayed the same. Not so drab I guess.

I'm going to get this set soon and id like to calibrate it but im not sure what with. What are these different D65/6500k/9300k and others ive heard you guys talking about?

I like it too. The main reason I tried to adjust the red before using a meter was because I thought the whites were tinged a bit too red, when adjusting by filter and ColorHCFR, for my taste before. However, when I switched to CalMAN and did a D65, it looked great!

They are color temperatures.

D65 and 6500K are the same thing. It's a more "warm" or reddish when compared to 9300K which is more bluish.

Actually, though, D65/6500K should look more "neutral" after you've become accustomed to it and it's actually the broadcast standard here in the States.

A lot of older CRT monitors and most HDTVs, though, are still being pushed out of the factory with the 9300K temperature set on by default. This is usually to make the TVs appear more attractive in a store room as a more cool or blue temperature is a bit easier on the eyes, though not an accurate picture at all in most situations.

9300K, for myself, tends to look better on some games and is actually the correct temperature to be using when watching older Japanese broadcast TV as "NTSC-J" is defined to have a 9300K white point or color temperature. Japanese movies that come out in the theater or even on current BluRays are mastered in 6500K, but some (if not most) Japanese broadcast TV is still being made with 9300K white point.
Edited by sodaboy581 - 1/19/13 at 5:27pm

So then those 2 numbers are just the 2 different (maybe base) options? With which you base your calibration numbers off?

After that whats a good way to calibrate the tv without investing in expensive equipment? Either by just changing the settings or perhaps some calibration disc?

Just received my KDL60EX645 right now. Got a little clouding in the corners which i was expecting, hopefully when i check it tonight it wont be too bad. But what i wasnt expecting is this horrible foot print (or more like big foot i should say) shaped bright spot smack dab in the center of the screen perhaps 10" x 6" or so. Easily visible on even midly bright screens. I think this ones gonna need to be replaced for this.

Anyone else with anything like that?

Not here. I just have mild clouding on an all black screen in a semi-dark room but, nothing like you describe.

No way. Nothing like that here either. I would exchange it!

You could also try that fabeled light screen massage with a microfiber cloth... But that's up to you...

I just want to thank you all on this thread for all the awesome settings and advice. I was skeptical of the panel being manufactured by sharp but I am very pleased with the picture quality. Sodaboy, your 9300k settings were spot on in comparison to using my monster calibration disc!!! My last tv was a plasma so I have been spoiled by the natural feel of a plasma. I did not want to go with a led but I am happy with the performance and quality. As for others with light bleed I tried the screen massage method with a small paint brush roller on a 40" sammy led and it worked for a while but eventually came back so that theory does not hold water on my end. Bluemustang I may be wrong but I bet you may have the samsung panel because they are known to have horrible light bleed and clouding like my 40". I have not had any gripes besides the optical output not consistently working with my soundbar and a slight soe effect every once in a while.

Nope says panel type is SHARP_LK

Definitely get it replaced!! I have no issues here.
Edited by spimm - 1/24/13 at 6:31pm